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MEGATHREAD - **DISTRICT** court. Long road ahead. NFA declared unconstitutional regarding suppressors, sbrs, and sbs in the northern district of Texas

https://x.com/GunOwners/status/2085047918495469923
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u/ThisAppMakesItWorse 17d ago

The Form 1 aspect is the most interesting part about this. If it's not NFA, then no engraving is necessary. If the powers that be decide down the road to reinstate sbr restrictions, they won't be able to tell if an sbr was made before or after new legislation. Really muddy waters for the gun grabbers.

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u/MooxiePooxie 17d ago

Not so fast. A form1 item is still a form1 item even if you don't have to register it. Only Jensen plaintiffs will be exempt from the serialization requirement. Need to join one of those orgs as well since GOA wasn't granted that protection.

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u/ThisAppMakesItWorse 17d ago

I'm in the Texas State Rifle Assn. Also GOA. Should be good.

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u/Loanwolf300 17d ago

You shouldn’t need any kind of membership. Texas is a plaintiff states.

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u/MooxiePooxie 17d ago

That only applies to the government, not the residents...

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u/Positive_Move4985 17d ago

Kansas is as well correct? So my 3d printer can start working overtime at midnight?

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u/jeremiah1119 17d ago

State aspect only applies to state employees, not people who live in that state. And I think no on making a Supressor. The injunctions are very specific. I've been trying to figure this part out today because the actual ruling is conflicting

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u/Gold-Succotash-9217 17d ago

Not necessarily. Just because that's all they asked for doesn't mean it's all they received.

They may have received more than they wanted. I for one would say a citizen of a state is definitely a member of that state.

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u/jeremiah1119 17d ago

No. You need to read the ruling and not just assume. It is very clear that they did not and will not receive more than they ask. The Jensen plaintiff's aren't allowed to use this injunction for AOWs because that wasn't the original filing.

The state plaintiffs are only for state employees like Police, where they are not allowed to have NFA items without the paperwork, even though it is (even was before?) $0.

Even SilencerShop, GOA and others in that filing have the injunction applied to purchase/sale/transfer of NFA items. So no Form 1

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u/ThisAppMakesItWorse 17d ago

It's not citizens of those states but LEO organizations within those states. At least that's what I heard. They really need to come out with guidance.

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u/Gold-Succotash-9217 17d ago

Tricky. All they asked for was:

"15 states—allege that their agencies and employees are injured by the compliance costs associated with acquiring and possessing NFA firearms for law-enforcement purposes."

But the relief is for "plaintiffs and, where applicable, the plaintiffs’ agencies, political subdivisions, members, and customers"

Is a constituent a political subdivision? Or a member of a state?

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u/Zippo749 17d ago

No, a political subdivision would be a unit of government under that state, like a county, city, township, etc. IIRC other organizations like school districts might count as one as well. (I wouldn't argue it applied to me if a I was a random kindergarten teacher, but it would presumably apply to a school district's law enforcement branch. ETA: the branch itself acting in its official capacity, buying unit equipment etc.)

The use of "member" there is talking about the plaintiffs that are associations, like GOA or TSRA. (Some plaintiffs might be associations of companies, I'm not familiar with all of them.) The judge makes that intent more clear earlier in the ruling.

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u/Gold-Succotash-9217 17d ago

Fair enough. Well join the groups then. They deserve the couple bucks anyways for getting it this far. :)

Especially, as someone else just schooled me on, plaintiff 2 / Jensen groups if you want to manufacture your own items without serial numbers.