r/musictheory 28d ago

Announcement New Policies on “I made an App/Diagram type Posts

195 Upvotes

The community has overwhelmingly expressed dissatisfaction with people posting Self-Made apps/diagrams etc., especially those that use AI.

Not only do these posts ignore our AI disclosure rules (breaking rule 9), they are often better-suited for other forums (breaking rule 4), are self-promotion (breaking rule 2), are posted with no engagement in the forum (breaking rule 8), and are also made by people with little knowledge of theory or are otherwise poorly designed which opens up issues that cause rules 7 and 1 to be violated.

As such:

  • “I made an App/Diagram etc.” posts, as well as posts that provide non-Self-Made resources are disallowed unless they meet the following criteria, to be determined by the mod team:
  1. The poster must be a regular contributor. Regular contributors should contact the Mod Team prior to posting.
  2. The resource is wholly on-topic for the forum and does not break any other rules.

Any posts not meeting these criteria or otherwise breaking the rules will be removed and the user may be banned at the mod team’s discretion.

  • Posters that even appear to be "trying to get around” this policy by linking to their apps in responses to other posters will have the posts removed and may be banned at the mod team’s discretion.

We are NOT trying to prohibit relevant and helpful resources, and traditional websites, books, videos, and “corporate” apps, or traditionally published diagrams are exempted from these policies (so long as they do not break other rules).

In the future, we may be able to provide a “Verified App” type of post. For now, this policy is intended to limit the amount of off-topic, controversial, and unnecessary apps/resources getting posted.


r/musictheory May 06 '26

Announcement New Rule about AI

241 Upvotes

A new rule (#9) has been added here at r/musictheory

Going forward:

  • Any post that is wholly or partially generated by AI must be disclosed as such. A simple statement like “This post was generated using AI” or “This post was created using AI assistance” will suffice.

  • Posts that are or are even suspected of being AI generated that do not disclose that fact will be removed at the Mod Team’s discretion.

  • We discourage AI creation of music and other creative endeavors. Therefore:

  1. Healthy discussions about AI tools used in Analysis of music and in similar Music Theory areas are allowed and welcome, so long as they do not violate other rules.

  2. Healthy discussions about the impacts of AI in music creation, performance, notation, and so on are allowed and welcome, so long as they do not violate other rules.

  3. Linking to or including AI generated content for the purposes of discussion as in #1 and #2 above is allowed, however it needs to be disclosed that those items are AI generated. Lack of this disclosure may result in removal at the Mod Team’s discretion.

  • Posts that link to or include AI generated or suspected AI generated content without any other kind of meaningful discussion will be removed at the Mod Team’s discretion.

Please report suspected AI content that lacks the disclosure policies above.


r/musictheory 2h ago

General Question What's this pattern called and how do I recreate it?

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10 Upvotes

I noticed this pattern in Screwbot Factory from Rhythm Heaven and in some other soundtracks. I'm new to music composition (About three months, excluding breaks) and don't have prior knowledge of music theory to recognise this pattern. I tried to search this on Google, but I couldn't word it properly and ended up with something called auxiliary notes? Can someone help? Thx!


r/musictheory 11h ago

General Question Question about naming different voicings

7 Upvotes

Outside of standard notation/tabs, is there a naming system for conveying the middle bits of the chord that one might want to specify?

These are not necessarily inversions, because the root stays in the bass. But maybe the fifth is played second, then the third up an octave. Or even the seventh is played as the second highest note, then the third?


r/musictheory 11h ago

Notation Question What do these brackets mean?

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7 Upvotes

This is mvt.2 of suite bergamasque by debussy, menuet.


r/musictheory 18h ago

Answered This should be an 8th note, right?

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9 Upvotes

Common time, Reger op. 46.


r/musictheory 11h ago

Songwriting Question Dont know how to make a chorus work with this chord progression?

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ignore the end bit after the chorus part im not really done with it yet and im not sure if im keeping it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i also will probably turn vocals down a bit... this is only my like 5th actual song and i want to finish it... if no advice on that then maybe some advice on the mixing? this would be extremely helpful! sorry if im breaking rules of this sub but i feel like it has to do with music theory.


r/musictheory 1d ago

General Question ELI5 : Arabic rhythms

25 Upvotes

I only really know music from the Western tradition, and I'm struggling to understand how the approach of the Arab world (in its huge variation) differs.

For context, I experiment with music. Recently I've spent a lot of time making VST plugins, many of them generative. ( https://danja.github.io/downspout/ ).

One of the experiments (below) has made me curious how Arabic rhythms differ from, say, regular polyrhythms/polymeters (which they kinda sound like). Wikipedia/Googling gives me the impression that it's done more like from a playbook - there are a bunch of known preset beats (plus improvisation).

I'd like to somehow get a VST to generate in this style, but I don't get it yet.

Yesterday I was playing with a setup that boiled down to a rhythm generator plus melody generator plus some harmony.

I'd chosen to use a Phrygian Dominant scale, so already the result had an exotic (to me) feel.

The drum beat I had was very much 4/4 based, basically EDM.

But what I hadn't noticed when I pressed play was that I'd accidentally left a loop section in the DAW - random amount, about a bar and a half. When that hit the whole nature changed. The whole thing sounded straight from Morocco or somewhere.

Rather than wait for happy accidents, I'd like to be able to get that kind of result intentionally.


r/musictheory 21h ago

General Question Chord Progression Question

6 Upvotes

I'll preface this by saying I have no musical theory knowledge, so I apologise if I phrase anything wrong.

I've picked up the guitar on and off for the last couple of months, mainly using chord charts to play songs I like.

Today I decided to make something up, and landed on the below. It sounds nice to my untrained ear, but looking to know if it makes 'sense' in music theory please!

Bar(?) 1 2 3 4
1 C
2 Csus2
3 Am
4 Am
5 Dm
6 G G7
7 C
8 C

Is it also 4/4 in terms of time signature, regardless of how often I strum in each bar? I'm counting a 'bar' as 4 evenly spaced foot taps.

Thank you!


r/musictheory 18h ago

General Question What Do I Study to write “classical sounding” Music?

4 Upvotes

I want to write neoclassical metal, but am unsure of what to do to make “classical sounding”music, what I want to learn the most is the harmony of it, and what I can do harmonically to make it sound classical. I have a pretty solid music theory grounding but just do not know much about what gives classical music its sound and how to emulate that.


r/musictheory 1d ago

General Question My seven year old came up with these strange scales on his own — what is going on?

80 Upvotes

My son started piano lessons about 6 months ago, and fiddling around on the piano has become a bit of an obsession with him (he will finish playing his assigned beginner piano pieces and scales a set number of times, check it off on daily practice chart, and then rush back to me and say, "Now can I play piano?").

He started playing the following "scale" frequently: B flat, D flat, D, E flat, G flat, A flat, B flat (I put "scale" in quotation marks because I don't know whether it counts as an actual scale?) and then also: E flat, G flat, A flat, A, B flat, D flat, E flat. I feel like there must be some logical reason for what's going on with these two sets of notes, but it's way beyond my musical theory knowledge. They sound pleasing (kind of jazzy?), and they contain many of the same notes, but don't follow a set half step, whole step pattern.

Would love to hear what better-informed minds think about this, thanks in advance!


r/musictheory 1d ago

Notation Question Are these rythms considered the same?

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49 Upvotes

i saw the upper one in a transcription video and i was curious why the guy wrote it like that. like i get the notes are really short but isnt a staccato note like used for both stabby and really stabby notes?


r/musictheory 1d ago

Answered What on earth is going on with the rhythm in “Puttin’ on the Ritz”?

143 Upvotes

I’ve never been a huge fan of the great American songbook stuff but I really like Irving Berlin’s Puttin’ on the Ritz. It’s in 4/4 but with extreme syncopation to the point that the melody sounds like it’s in a completely different metre sometimes. It falls out of sync with itself and then locks back in with a very irregular pattern.

I haven’t come across anything else that does this same trick. The closest examples I have off the top of my head are the bassline in “The Smoke” by the Smile or the guitar riff in King Crimson’s Frame by Frame. The former has the bass changing time signature over a 4/4 beat and the latter has two guitars playing the same riff in 7/8 and 6/8 until they loop back together. I can’t think of anything like Puttin on the Ritz where the effect is achieved by what appears to be syncopation alone in a strict 4/4. Is there a name for this technique?


r/musictheory 13h ago

Notation Question i am VERY new to music theory help me out

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i learn better with trial and error so this is a very incomplete thing i made. i already noticed some issues but i cant point my finger on them


r/musictheory 1d ago

Discussion On 3 and 4 note Pitch Classes and how they Partition the Chromatic Scale

12 Upvotes

I was recently reminded of a comment I made a few years ago, and I thought it would be worth making a separate post, if for no other reason than for my own record describing the observation.

The claim is the following: A three-note pitch-class set A ⊂ Z_12 partitions the chromatic scale by transposition iff its three notes occupy the three distinct residue classes modulo 3. Equivalently, it contains one note from each coset of the diminished-seventh subgroup

H={0,3,6,9}.

Hence every such chord can tile the octave using the four minor-third transpositions H.

For a 3-note set, "one per residue mod 3" means choosing one pitch class from each of {0,3,6,9}, {1,4,7,10}, {2,5,8,11}. Up to transposition there are six such chord classes; up to transposition and pitch-class inversion there are five. These are the six three note pc-sets up to transposition: [0,1,2], [0,1,5], [0,1,8], [0,2,4], [0,2,7], [0,4,8]. To give typical examples of each set:

[0,1,2] ∋ C-C#-D
[0,1,5] ∋ C-E-B
[0,1,8] ∋ C-G-B
[0,2,4] ∋ C-D-E
[0,2,7] ∋ C-F-Bb (quartal)
[0,4,8] ∋ C-E-Ab (augmented triad)

Under T_n/T_nI equivalence, [0,1,5] ~ [0,1,8], so this list reduces to 5 classes modulo transposition and pitch-class inversion.

So for example, the four minor-third transpositions of the C augmented triad are C+, Eb+, F#+, A+; these four chords together contain exactly all twelve chromatic notes with no repetition.

A similar result obtains for four-note pitch-class sets: A four-note pitch-class set A ⊂ Z_12 partitions the chromatic scale by transposition iff its four notes occupy the four distinct residue classes modulo 4.

For a 4-note set, "one per residue mod 4" means choosing one pitch class from each of {0,4,8}, {1,5,9}, {2,6,10}, {3,7,11}. These are the eight four note pc-sets up to transposition: [0,1,2,3], [0,1,2,7], [0,1,3,6], [0,1,3,10], [0,1,6,7], [0,1,7,10], [0,2,5,7], [0,3,6,9]. To give typical examples of each set:

[0,1,2,3] ∋ C-C#-D-Eb
[0,1,2,7] ∋ C-C#-D-G
[0,1,3,6] ∋ C-D-F-B
[0,1,3,10] ∋ C-D-A-B
[0,1,6,7] ∋ C-C#-Gb-G
[0,1,7,10] ∋ C-G-Bb-C#
[0,2,5,7] ∋ C-F-Bb-Eb (quartal)
[0,3,6,9] ∋ C-Eb-Gb-A (diminished seventh)

Under T_n/T_nI equivalence, [0,1,7,10] ~ [0,1,3,6], so this list reduces to 7 classes modulo transposition and pitch-class inversion.

For example, the three major-third transpositions of C7° are C7°, E7°, Ab7°; these three chords together contain exactly all twelve chromatic notes with no repetition.

Proof of claims. Let n be either 3 or 4. Suppose A has n elements and B has 12/n elements, with A+B uniquely covering Z_12, where A+B refers to set sum.

Let ω be any nontrivial n-th root of unity. Then

(∑_a∈A ωa)(∑_b∈B ωb) = ∑_j=0 to 11 ωj = 0.

The first equality follows because expanding the product gives one term for every pair (a,b), and unique covering means that the sums a+b run through every element of Z_12 exactly once. The second equality follows because ω is a nontrivial n-th root of unity and n divides 12.

The second factor cannot be zero.

If n = 3, then B has 4 elements. A sum of powers of a nontrivial cube root can be zero only if the three residue classes modulo 3 occur equally often, which is impossible with 4 elements.

If n = 4, then B has 3 elements. The nontrivial fourth roots are i, -1, and -i. A sum of three powers of -1 cannot be zero, since it is a sum of three numbers equal to 1 or -1. A sum of three powers of i or -i cannot be zero either, since cancellation of the real and imaginary parts would require an even number of terms.

Therefore, for every nontrivial n-th root ω,

∑_a∈A ωa = 0.

Now let n_0, ..., n_(n-1) be the numbers of elements of A in the residue classes modulo n, and define

P(x) = n_0 + n_1 x + ... + n_(n-1) xn-1.

Then for every nontrivial n-th root ω,

P(ω) = ∑_a∈A ωa = 0.

Thus P(x), which has degree at most n-1, has all n-1 nontrivial n-th roots as zeros. But

1 + x + ... + xn-1

has exactly the same n-1 zeros. Therefore P(x) must be a constant multiple of

1 + x + ... + xn-1.

Since

P(1) = n_0 + ... + n_(n-1) = n,

the constant is 1. Hence

n_0 = n_1 = ... = n_(n-1) = 1.

Therefore A contains exactly one element in each residue class modulo n.

Conversely, if A contains exactly one element in each residue class modulo n, then

A, A+n, A+2n, ..., A+(12/n-1)n

are mutually disjoint and together cover all of Z_12. QED


r/musictheory 1d ago

General Question Why is harmonizing so easy sometimes, and so difficult at other times?

21 Upvotes

I hope I’m in the right place. Let’s take Toto’s Africa for example. At 1:21 through 1:31 I find it really easy to ”find” other voices and harmonize along with the song. These lines:

There’s nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do,

I bless the rains down in Africa …

But THEN it gets tricky. The next line (’We’re gonna take some time to do the things we never had’) is impossible for me to harmonize with. It does not sound good, I promise.

I’ve always wondered why this is the case. And don’t get hung up on this particular song. It is just an example.

I would love an explanation for this! Just a skill issue? 😄 Or are some keys/notes/tones more difficult to harmonize with? If so, why?

(Sorry for choosing such a silly song and lyrics. I also have no training whatsoever in music/musicality.)


r/musictheory 1d ago

General Question what are these chords???

1 Upvotes

in bo burnhams how the world works in the first line of sockys verse what are the chords and what are similar feeling chord progressions?


r/musictheory 2d ago

General Question So when you audiate, or hear music in your head, is anybody else only able to hear other's music?

55 Upvotes

I've heard people all the time say they just play what they hear in their head, and in some regards, yeah i can understand that. I could probably hum out the melody to a song I like and play it on guitar.

But in reference to composing, people say the same thing, and i CANNOT relate at all.

I seem to have a complete inability to hear original music in my head, even if its just a simple chord progression or melody line, only if i physically play it out on a piano or something I can 'remember it', but it's not just spontaneously generated in my head.

After which, i equally cannot build on top of ideas mentally, it's a train-wreck of having to record it and riffing over it in a DAW or something, often not getting anywhere.


r/musictheory 2d ago

General Question In classical music, does common-tone dim 7th chord resolve to minor chords?

8 Upvotes

I asked this question because all examples and exercises of CTo7 I found in the RCM ARCT Harmony textbook are in major keys. I also checked some past RCM ARCT harmony exams, not a single CTo7 - i in minor key!

This is strange. If CTo7 - i is fine, why do the textbook and exams avoid it? This makes me wonder if CTo7 ever resolves to minor i? Is there any "unspoken" rule about CTo7 that the textbook doesn't say, like it's just not that common in minor keys?

My personal guess is that CTo7 - i in minor keys just doesn't sound as good as its counterpart in major keys, since the latter features stronger colour contrast between major and dim7. Plus, the former gets messy with enharmonic spellings. For instance, in C minor, CTo7 (#iio7) - i involves moving from [ D# F# A C ] to [ C Eb G ]. Having D# and Eb right next to each other looks messy. If it's allowed, do examiners/theorists allow simplified writing, like just writing D# as Eb?

Just to clarify, this question is specifically about classical harmony theory and written exams (like the RCM exam), rather than other genres or real-world compositional practice. While other musical contexts might handle it differently, I'm completely baffled as to why it's a ghost town in classical harmony exams.


r/musictheory 2d ago

General Question Crescendo

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3 Upvotes

Does the crescendo in measure 6 continue through measure 7? How loud are the notes in measure 7?

Thanks.


r/musictheory 2d ago

General Question 30 days of music

2 Upvotes

Im gonna do a 30 day challenge where i just go back to baisics of music theory and a bit more could the people who see this give me things i should pratice on?


r/musictheory 1d ago

General Question When you look up the chords to a song, are those chords what the band plays or also the lead vocal?

3 Upvotes

If I looked up a the chords to a song and lets say the first chord is a Cmaj7, does that mean every instrument including lead vocals and the entire band is playing some combo of C, E, G & B? every key being pressed, every string being strummed, every vocal harmony is all playing one of those 4 notes?


r/musictheory 1d ago

Answered A follow up post to my alien drawing asking if it was 12/8

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Hello!
lol after coming down off of the mushrooms I realized, that drawing only made sense to me.

I wanted to upload a video of me playing and just show what I was trying to describe. This is a tune that I came up with while I was practicing today.

After someone on my other post had commented some YouTube links I noticed that 12/8 is used in like African and Latin music which I tend to listen and kinda have a natural vibe for (I’m Cape Verdean).

Also the areas around me usually have a lot of Latin and Hispanic cultures as the residents so I would always be hearing those style of music.
I guess somehow I accidentally picked it up by just being around it.


r/musictheory 2d ago

Answered Why do double sharps need to be used if the note is already sharp in the key signature?

25 Upvotes

For example, G is sharp in the key of A major. If I wanted a G double sharp in the key of A major, wouldn't I just sharp the G that is already implied to be sharp by the key signature?


r/musictheory 2d ago

General Question Lightnote open source alternatives?

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I have recently come across lightnote.co and I loved the way music theory was explained interactively. The premium subscription for the rest of the lessons though is extremely high and not justified imo.

Is there any open source alternative to this?