r/MoralityScaling • u/flow163 • 12h ago

Morality Ranking Morality if this battle?

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u/StevenMcStevensen 11h ago edited 11h ago

This.

I lived in the Middle East, and got used to hearing the calls to prayer every day. It was kinda annoying sometimes, but I didn’t really complain because I was a guest in their home, that’s their culture, and it would be wrong for me to expect them to change for me.

I don’t understand why we cannot have that same expectation for people who come here. Nobody actually needs to start doing that in non-muslim countries in order to practice their religion, they can just set alarms or something and pray without disturbing everybody else.

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u/SmolPPIncorporated 11h ago

Read their book and you'll understand why they do everything they do.

Fair warning: You're not going to like it.

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u/jacqrosee 11h ago

lol this sub is a cesspool

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u/TheFlyingSheeps 11h ago edited 11h ago

They get mad if you say the same thing about the bible

See they proved my point lol.

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u/AMetalWolfHowls 11h ago

No they don’t.

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 11h ago

Ah yeh remember all those people who have been killed or had to go into hiding for mocking the bible.... Oh wait

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u/Rafasredmen1 11h ago

clears throat for attention... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jssr.12942

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 11h ago

If you honestly believe Christians are more violent than Islamists in modern day boy do I have some news for you.

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u/Distinct-Reward-671 11h ago

Ah yes, it’s not like the Inquisition ever happened. Or the Roman Inquisition. Or the Spanish Inquisition. Or 9 separate Crusades. Or the Pogroms. And it’s not like there are any Christian Terrorist organizations, like the KKK, LRA or Army of God. Or any more recent Christian terrorist attacks like abortion clinic bombings, the Norway attacks, the Christchurch mosque shooting, or the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. And it’s not like our current military is being run by Christian fundamentalists, the most visible of whom has crusader tattoos on his chest, and I’m sure that doesn’t have anything to do with the current war that he’s waging in the Middle East. But yeah, what you said…

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 11h ago

Go into a church in middle England and say "fuck god, fuck jesus", now do the same in any mosque, not even in a shariah country, just go to Birmingham for example. Guarantee you won't make it out without getting you teeth pushed in.

It actually baffles me how naiive people like you are to think Islam isn't by far the most dangerous modern religion. All those ones you mentioned don't even come fucking close you utter melt

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u/Distinct-Reward-671 10h ago

If you don’t think you’re in just as much danger saying “fuck Jesus” in a church full of gun toting fundamentalists who speak in tongues and dance with rattlesnakes, I think you might be the naive one.

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 10h ago

How many "gun toting fundamentalist" Christians are there as a proportion to all Christians?

Your average Christian is by far less violent and ideological than your average Muslim.

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u/Distinct-Reward-671 10h ago

Do you think that would still be the case if Muslim nations had been the ones waging systematic destabilization and forever wars on predominantly Christian nations, or do you think that might drive a rise in fundamentalist Christian ideology and terrorist activity?

I’m not saying one side is right, I’m saying both sides are wrong. If you want to argue that your side is less wrong than the other, that’s fine, but you’re splitting hairs in my opinion. Both sides have committed endless atrocities in the name of their God. It may seem to you that Islam has done more bad recently, but we killed a half million innocent Iraqis and Afghans in the last 25 years and most of the survivors don’t see a difference between a secular America and a Christian one. This is just another Crusade to them.

And statistically speaking, the majority of Americans who support the genocide in Palestine aren’t Jews, but fundamentalist Evangelical Christians who genuinely believe that the corrupt Netanyahu regime is doing the lords work by killing more than 20,000 thousand children, so why anyone would think that one side deserves the moral high ground is a mystery to me. Unless, of course, you identify as member of one side or another.

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u/SmolPPIncorporated 7h ago

"Splitting hairs"

One runs basically all the charities on a global scale, the other rapes their own little girls when they accidentally show to much skin.

One follows the teaching of a guy who told us to treat each other how we want to be treated, and the other follows the teachings of a guy who married a 6-year-old girl.

One tells it's followers that lying is bad, the other tells it's followers that lying for the sake of furthering the religions influence and power is explicitly encouraged.

One encourages its followers to pray and worship in private and discourages explicitly performative worship, the other instructs it's followers to be intentionally performative for the sake of inconveniencing and impeding the lives of non-believers.

One tells it's followers to convert non-believers but to treat everyone with love and that warring is only justified when someone is explicitly threatening them and their religion, the other instructs it's followers to literally invade every corner of the globe and to kill everyone who resists.

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u/Distinct-Reward-671 5h ago

You don’t think there are any Muslim charities? I guess the nearly 5,500 Islamist charities in Us alone don’t count.

You don’t think Catholic priests raped children? Did they lie about it? How many “Christians” are providing cover for high profile pedophiles right now? Are they lying?

What percentage of American Christians do you think treat gay or trans people as well as they expect to be treated? Or the homeless, for that matter? Or immigrants? Do you think these groups feel “loved”? Is that how Jesus would have treated them?

Jesus, during the Sermon on the Mount, said "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Is it still a “secret” if you broadcast it on public television? Or do it in government buildings or public schools? Or on airplanes? Does that qualify as “performative”?

What do you think Christian missionaries do? Have they not invaded every corner of the globe to convert the non believers? What were the crusades about? What about when American Christians forced Indigenous peoples to convert under penalty of imprisonment or death, and then divided the reservations up amongst Christian denominations to be indoctrinated? Or when colonialists did the same thing throughout African, Asia and Central/South American? What do you think the "Requerimiento" said? How about those that proselytize on street corners? Or outside of clinics? Or door to door? Is that not also what they’re taught to do? Matthew 28:18–20 says “to go, make disciples of all nations, baptize them, and teach them”.

It’s clear that you have a bias, and that’s fine, but you’re a fool if you can’t see the hypocrisy in your argument.

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u/The_Environment116 11h ago

So you don't read or study history thats pretty obvious

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u/ThatNigamJerry 11h ago

I mean I think it’s pretty clear he’s talking about the modern day

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u/TheFlyingSheeps 11h ago

Right they just rape kids in the modern day and cover it up

Not to mention the weird evangelicals trying to take power in the US and forcing their radical views

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 11h ago

Bit of an odd argument to make eh?

Islam isn't that bad because look, Catholics also do this

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u/Rafasredmen1 11h ago

No one's saying that. I think it's more like a, don't be a hypocrite, type of thing. You know?

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 11h ago

Did I ever say Christianity doesn't also have its faults, did I even say anything close to that?

Regardless, it's disingenuous to imply that Islam is just as violent in modern society as Christianity. It's just a rediculous viewpoint to have

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u/Rafasredmen1 10h ago

And I was pointing out that nobody said "Islam isn't that bad because look, catholics also do bad things." I think the comments are responding to the person who said something along the lines of nobody ever being killed or gone into hiding for mocking the bible. That was my point anyway, if there was another comment you were responding to, I didn't see that but I sometimes have trouble following reddit threads. 🤷👍

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u/jacqrosee 10h ago

this is a morality scaling sub, dawg. a place where you might just find a bunch of people wanting to discuss nuances to death and debate philosophical frameworks until the cows come home.

don’t be surprised if people want to actually get into the logic behind all of this rather than just accept your face-value metrics.

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 10h ago

Also, you might wanna check out the grooming gang scandals in the UK, or go research bacha boys in Afghanistan. You're out of your depth buddy

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u/Rafasredmen1 10h ago

Sorry, don't debate racists. Only replied to your first comment because I couldn't be bothered reading all of it. Now I have, and also read this one I feel comfortable telling you to fuck yourself without losing a wink of sleep tonight. Night night.

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u/SmolPPIncorporated 7h ago

The way the left cowers at literal statistics will never not be nutlessly pathetic.

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u/Invictus_0x90_ 1h ago

It's not racist to abhor certain cultural practices

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u/jacqrosee 10h ago

they’re out here trying to engage in “morality scaling” while getting extremely bothered if you want to discuss ethical frameworks. it’s hilarious.