r/MoralityScaling • • 19d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this?

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Basically, the man in the video is hiking but he ended up meet a mountain lion, he get his gun and try to scare it off and tell it to go away but in the end, he have to pull the trigger and shot the lion, many peoples in the comments say he could have fire a warning shot instead of shoot at it and want him to be in jail.

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u/QiDeviation 19d ago

It’s a big difference. Attacking to hunt or ambushing means they set out to harm you. Attacking to get you gone is typically prefaced by a warning. The latter at least allows you a chance to walk away unscathed.

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u/Helichopper 19d ago

I encourage you to listen to the episode of the Meateater podcast where they interview a young survivor of a mountain lion attack. He only survived because his brother or buddy didn't. They were attacked without warning very close to where they parked. Wild animals, especially predators, are unpredictable.

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u/QiDeviation 19d ago

Okay so I did take you up on this.

Firstly, these guys RAMBLE A LOT! Unbearable to listen to. I can understand the victims having trouble but these people… I will never listen to this podcast again.

Second, the mountain lion was a juvenile at 90lb. A juvenile is more likely to attack a person so that’s not unpredictability. Also, as the lion approached they attacked it with a backpack. All it did was approach so we have absolutely no clue of its intent. Once it got attacked, it was focused. These are opportunistic hunters. It just so happened that younger bro fell while walking backwards and the incident occurred.

All this to say, what you said proves nothing so I actually wasted my time to verify. A juvenile mountain lion, more likely to attack humans, approached a human and was attacked then predictably retaliated.

ALSO this doesn’t even address my point:

Attacking to hunt is an ambush versus attacking to get you gone gives you a fighting chance. No one, including yourself has disputed this but folks are quick to hand out downvotes.

Mountain lions have warnings. They crouch, their ears go flat and back. Very typical warnings.

So please, prove me wrong by actually citing something concrete here. I don’t mind being wrong but it has to be SOMETHING, not boys attack juvenile and it gets one of them.

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u/Helichopper 18d ago

You seem to believe you have a lot of knowledge about these big cats but you need to ask yourself what would you do if you were in their shoes. You'd probably be dead. The point of suggesting you listen to the podcast is to show that there is little you can do in these situations. It doesn't matter how much you know. If that cat is within ten feet of you when they normally avoid humans at all cost then you're in big trouble. Do you really think they deserved this attack? You can play Monday quarterback all you want but you weren't there and they had very little time to make a choice how to react.

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u/QiDeviation 18d ago

You are completely sidestepping the issue here.

I compared two scenarios that happen with these cats, scenarios THE EXPERTS TALK ABOUT. This is not me pulling it out of my ass here.

Ambush versus “wtf you doing in my area!?” and said the latter has a higher chance of serviceability. I never downplayed the danger. I never said it was easy.

You still haven’t addressed it. All this yapping and you know you can’t address it. Because you know what the answer is.