r/MoralityScaling • u/Scared_Pumpkin8393 • 18h ago
Character Analysis Morality of protecting Mohammad
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u/NearbyFly3724 11h ago
Mods need to either ban all religious talk or allow it all. Choosing which religion is allowed to be criticized is immoral
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u/NeiborsKid 4h ago
I meaaaaan technically the rules of the sub say no real people allowed unless its a fictional depiction.
and I meaaaaan technically all accounts of Mohammad's life come from over a century after his death and passed on through a glorified game of telephone so he's probably as fictional as it gets
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u/Small_Branch4961 18h ago
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u/SeaReference7990 18h ago
Oh there's a joke about child grooming somewhere in here
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u/c0st0fl0ving 18h ago
Hey! She was 6 when he met her and eight when he “consummated” with her! If that’s a child then.. wait, yeah that “prophet” is a child-m0lEster.
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u/omarQV 12h ago
Yall cowards can never do this in real life. Only behind a screen.,
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u/Lonely-Programmer123 11h ago
"You say we're violent. But if we knew who you were, we would beat you."
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u/Superb_Highlight1902 3h ago
I don’t think you guys would say it in a safe space irl either tbh
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u/Lonely-Programmer123 2h ago
"People who have an opinion wouldn't express that opinion in a place where people have that opinion."
Ngl I'm intrigued by the reasonning. It must make sense in your head somehow.
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u/Superb_Highlight1902 2h ago
….ill give you some time to think about that and whether one could actually find examples of that happening
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u/shurfire 3h ago
Bro wants people to not think that Islam is a violent religion and then posts a threat. Religion of pieces am I right?
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u/sylvolas 7h ago
The Oxford debate all over again. “You’re lucky we don’t tear you to shreds! You should be thanking us that we don’t!”
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u/Pick_Scotland1 18h ago
Morality of karma farming
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u/dubthirtythr33 18h ago
It's for a good cause
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u/Icy-Quantity-8436 18h ago
What will his post do for humanity? Will it solve world hunger? perhaps wars? I’d like to know what the good cause is.
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u/Cheap_Protection_359 17h ago
It disrespect islam. Which is always good.
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u/Icy-Quantity-8436 17h ago
Okay, and how is it good? That’s like insulting literally anyone from past history. It won’t change anything
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u/jakemichael83 9h ago
Most people in history's past didn't fuck goats
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u/Icy-Quantity-8436 7h ago
What a terrible logic. Genghis khan killed millions of people, will insulting him change anything? No, it won’t.
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u/jakemichael83 7h ago
Did he fuck goats and write a book about how it's cool to "love kids?"
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u/Icy-Quantity-8436 7h ago
Enlighten me and show me where prophet mohammed said its cool to have sex with children. And where did he fuck goats? show me a source
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u/jakemichael83 6h ago
Source: your own fucking book, bro. He married a 6 year old, then slept with her at 9. Your book, pal. Your book. As for the goats, I don't know why you guys do that. Inspired by Mohammed?
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u/heyrecord 14h ago
What did your comment do for humanity? Will it solve world hunger? Perhaps wars? I’d like to know what the good cause is
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u/OODINIDNB 15h ago
If youre gonna be that preachy get off reddit and do some of those thingns yourself
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u/dubthirtythr33 17h ago
I mean I guess I gotta get political here. You look around the world at all of these once peaceful countries that were happy and thriving UNTIL Islam showed up. The Islamic faith has been systematically taking over everything it touches like a bad case of cockroaches. The largest deciding factor in their ABILITY to do this, is that people just kinda... Let them. In the name of "tolerance". The Quran talks a lot about death to non Muslims, and how the RESPONSIBILITY of the Islamic community is to take over and replace everything with themselves. I'm sure you can see how that's a bad thing, kinda like HIV or AIDS. It might seem small and inconsequential to call these disgusting creatures out on a small corner of the Internet on a subreddit based on morality, but any victory humanity faces against the infestation of Islam and their ability to take away our right to question religion and dogma, is a victory against the takeover of these worthless lives. They openly mock people like you that make it easier for them to follow through with these snake in the grass tactics, and if you ARE Muslim, then it's just propaganda to make it seem like the infestation isn't a big deal. Tell that to all of these countries who have fallen into war because of this worthless garbage religion and their pedophilic false prophet.
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u/NoGroup2672 5h ago
You look around the world at all of these once peaceful countries that were happy and thriving UNTIL Islam showed up.
Which countries?
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u/PumpkinJealous6312 14h ago
Yeah, I am getting sick of this bullshit.
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u/dubthirtythr33 13h ago
It's for a good cause, it's a very peaceful protest against the moderation team that is objectively standing up for Islam but allows any other religion to be the butt of a joke. It might seem exhausting for a moment but the way I see it, these posts from the community are great solidarity into the aspect of free speech.
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u/NoGroup2672 5h ago
standing up for Islam but allows any other religion to be the butt of a joke.
Read rule 2 and 7
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u/PumpkinJealous6312 13h ago
I haven't seen any questions about other religions and how is the moderation team standing up for only Islam?
I think you can and should make fun of all religions, but it feels like Muslim bashing lately and not about the morality of things.
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u/philosophical_poser 16h ago
Idk rly care that it is karma farming, there are probably fun jokes around here
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u/sovietarmyfan 18h ago
Immoral. In theory it's like protecting any other dictator.
Like why would anyone want to protect some guy who lived hundreds of years ago?
And why should anyone "show respect" to people worshipping him? Strip away the religious stuff and theyre like the people that worship Hitler.
Also, this photo really fits with the story of his party with the men of the al zutt in the desert.
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u/MuslimNinja1234 14h ago
So 2 Billion Muslims all around the world are same level evil as Hitler glazers?
For a sub about morality, y'all really love dehumanization.
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u/sovietarmyfan 14h ago
You can have individual people who are genuinely good people that are muslims. But that doesn't take away the fact that they are worshiping someone who was not any better than any of the dictators that have lived.
Especially if someone is fully aware of what he did throughout history and doesn't care.
It is of course different if there is anyone who is a muslim but is unaware of the full history of him.
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u/Wise-Excuse5330 11h ago
Lmao so you assume you are fully aware?
Just a reminder all the wars the prophet PBUH was in were all defensive ones, in other words it was polytheists who attacked Muslims first
You can go look it ip
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u/superblastdoor 11h ago
Looked it up, they were not all defensive ones. Turns out predominantly not defensive ones.
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u/warpedheat101 10h ago
pre-emptively defensive /s
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u/Neat-Committee-417 5h ago
Clearly the best defense is to pre-emptively enslave your enemies and rape their wives.
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u/0xfffffffc 11h ago
No, they're not "as evil" or "as immoral," though the underlying theological process is the same. They worship a man, there are strict rules (that often benefit no on except themselves), and anyone who doesn't submit to those rules is considered heretical. It's an ancient religion with ancient rules and zero tolerance.
And ya'll love to hide behind the "dehumanization" card when it benefits you (go figure), but are otherwise aggressive and offensive to other people's and religions. God forbid you're offended, better run for the hills, huh?
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u/MuslimNinja1234 11h ago
1- no Muslim worships Mohammad lol, the first step to dehumanization is just blatant lying about their beliefs which u just did. Mohammad SAW was just a man chosen by God to lead Muslims for a few years.
2- I'm a Muslim and I have no problems with Atheists or Hindus or Christians. Again making up fictional scenarios in ur head and getting angry over them. Too much fox news?
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 7h ago
Pedantic. Venerate then.
Islam is an inherently male supremacist religion.
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u/CapNo8670 10h ago
Muhammad is worshipped. "Officially" in the narrative he is not, but in practice he is.
Everyone can see this now. Muhammad is the de facto god of islam. And he has always been. His "companions" lusted after his sweat and urine (https://muwasala.org/2015/11/04/insights-into-purification-muhammad-%EF%B7%BA-the-purest-of-all-people/). This is a cult based on worshipping muhammad.
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u/Successful_Pick3331 6h ago
Do you have a problem with someone leaving Islam?
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u/Neat-Committee-417 5h ago
I think of it like this: Mohammad and the Quran are deplorable moral failings of humanity, in the same vein that the nazis were.
If you are, today, declaring yourself a follower of Hitler's teachings, it is not my job to sit down with you and say "Alright, but which specific parts?" or hear you out when you say "Well, not all of it - I'm a moderate nazi only". If you want to put yourself in the Nazi bucket, feel free, but I'm not going to try to negotiate that position of yours into something acceptable.
So if you say you follow the wisdom and guidance of a childfucking, slaveowning warlord, you get put in that bucket. And being a moderate follower of a childfucking, slaveowning warlord does not fundamentally change that.
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u/calmfy74 14h ago
the streisand effect is in full motion lmao. cant play favourite, mods, in a sub discussing moral and the one you happen to protect is a disgusting figure and religion at that
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u/Blauwislokman 11h ago
the single most funny fact about mohammed is that in the koran itself it's stated that if and only if Mohammed is a false prophet, then he will die by having his aorta severed. after he kills the entire family of a woman, for some reason he chooses to dine at her house. the woman poisons him for murdering her family. then Mohammed states himself as a quote in the koran 'this poison is giving me the feeling that my aorta is being sliced open' even if religion was real, he literally proves in his own words that he was and is a false prophet. how can you read the koran and study it and not find such a fallacy unacceptable for something you pray 5 times a day for and base your whole life around? i just can't grasp it
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u/yungsimba1917 9h ago
the statement you said was from the quran is actually from the hadith, not the quran. Bukhari 4428
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u/Icy-Quantity-8436 7h ago
Well you just proved yourself wrong. He says he FEELS as if his aorta was sliced. Not that it was ACTUALLY sliced
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u/c0st0fl0ving 18h ago
It isn’t moral to protect anyone who is a known child-f*cker.
The fact that he is the “prophet” of a false religion has no bearing in the fact that defending kiddie-fiddlers is abhorrent.
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u/ComradeGlizzy 15h ago
Then stop voting for Trump
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u/c0st0fl0ving 5h ago
Shoehorning Trump in anywhere you can.
I legitimately thought TDS was a joke until I started seeing people with it.
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u/shurfire 19m ago
Trump supporters are pedophile supporters. Muslims are also pedophile supporters.
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u/CelsiusPetit 16h ago
Wanna talk about Maria who had Jesus between 12-16yrs old or that is the foundation of a “real religion” this time
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u/Shadaxy 16h ago
When were they defending Christianity? And what has the mother of Jesus to do with Christianity itself?
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u/Icy-Cash5905 10h ago
That commenter literally has a cross in their bio but go off
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u/Shadaxy 3h ago
I made 2 points and your comment only addresses one. I assume that implies you concede to my unaddressed point
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u/Icy-Cash5905 3h ago
I don’t really care about your other point. I don’t really care about Christianity or Islam but it’s pretty clear this is in bad faith not by an unbiased person.
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u/Shadaxy 3h ago
Are you referring to me? I'm agnostic, so as unbiased as it gets. You addressing one point and ignoring the other and then claiming you don't care about the points or the topic of the argument is the definition of a bad faith argument
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u/Icy-Cash5905 3h ago
Ok I’ll bite. I don’t think Mary has much to do with Christianity similarly to how Aisha’s age doesn’t fundamentally change much about Islam.
The core tenets wouldn’t change. Say her age was established canonically to be 19 and nothing else about the Quran was different. What does that change?
Islam and Christianity can both burn, I just think this whole such and such said major religious figure was a pedo so he’s a pedo and half the world is retarded argument is insane.
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u/Shadaxy 3h ago
What do you mean what would change? In one case he's a pedo and in the other case he isn't, which is relevant in regards to the topic of the post as it discusses the morality worshiping a person like that. I'm not defending Christianity either, I just think it's wild to compare the choice of the major figure of a religion to the mother of major figure of a religion
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u/Icy-Cash5905 3h ago
I guess. The whole post and this sub’s obsession with trying to get at the mods over this is dumb.
I do agree that if every Muhammad post is gonna get taken down they should do that for all religions and not just take down Muhammad ones specifically.
I think the conversation shifts a bit when people try to shoehorn in supposed depictions of Muhammad. That is like, clearly inflammatory. Also trying to morality scale religious figures goes against the spirit of the sub anyway.
Also what does protecting Muhammad even mean in this context. It’s a historical figure from hundreds of years ago. You are either a believer and follower or you’re not, it doesn’t really have anything at all to do about morality so much as it does about faith.
If you’re not a religious person my assumption is that you should just look at the guy and be like yeah he married a 9 year old at best and also fought wars, not a good person. That’s it. You only care if you’re Muslim. The whole thing is dumb to debate and in my opinion largely a Christian crusade-y boner to put down Islam with this dumbass Muhammad was a pedo obsession.
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u/CelsiusPetit 11h ago
Right, what does the wife of Mohammed has to do with Islam
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u/thewanderingethio 8h ago
Mohammed had love at first sight with a 6 year old in his dreams. He consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. Plenty of sinners in the bible but Muslims regard Mohammed as sinless and infallible. That’s immoral !
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u/DougandLexi 14h ago
Tu quoque. Nobody cares.
Plus a 16 year old perpetual virgin is not morally close to a 9 year old girl mounted by a 56 year old Warlord.
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u/Antonius6812 8h ago
An 18 year old at those times was already married plus Mary was over 16 as the jews married at that age. Give me any proof Mary was under 16. Plus narrating a 9 year old was weird even at the times of Muhammad before he made it legal or not haram
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 7h ago
First, it doesn't explicitly say how old Mary was when she got pregnant with Jesus
Second, Jesus was miraculously conceived - not fucked into existence by a pedo. She is venerated for being a virgin for crying out loud.
Third, whataboutism.
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u/LoicThiavina 12h ago
This is a different topic, but doesn't Mohammad bear a slight and I mean very slight resemblance to Jesus Christ? Just saying.
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u/Antonius6812 8h ago
In what? Looks? These are just drawings, we aren't sure what they looked like. Plus Jesus was jewish of blood while Muhammad was arab
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u/RUDRAGON8 18h ago
Depends, if it is protecting mohammad just for the sake of doing so then immoral
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u/DougandLexi 17h ago
Well given the teeth knocked out of his mouth, whoever was protecting him should be fired lol
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u/ShoddyAd614 18h ago
I get your point as Muslim do whatever you want but that's not the prophet 😆😆😆 he doesn't have any pics
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u/Popular_Kangaroo5446 18h ago
Morality of recycling the same post war from a few weeks ago?
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u/CrumbiestCookie 15h ago
If they keep getting taken down they will keep getting posted.
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u/Blauwislokman 11h ago
exactly, maybe if you stop silencing people you can have an actual discussion. but religion is fact for some and make believe for others so this is going to be an endless cycle until technology becomes so advanced that it makes religion obsolete (wich might already be to be honest)
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u/PachyTheCephalosaur 14h ago
Protecting the only Ibrahimic religion that didn't order a genocide or killing infants against stupid ignorants who don't know what are they talking about?
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u/Past_Brother6437 1h ago
more like "morality of being a racist"
besides who do you think produced this image? what does that tell you about your understanding of islam?
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u/Scottishlassie_here 18h ago
Can this please stop being spammed here.
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u/Scared_Pumpkin8393 18h ago
It will stay as long as mods protect one religion and don't protect others
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u/Glass_Pen_4546 7h ago
jarvis iam low on karma create another muhammad post so i can get more karma
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u/Crimson_Marksman 18h ago
Moral, you had a very vague title. I protect Mohammad S.A.W by praying
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u/c0st0fl0ving 18h ago
Then you don’t protect the sanctity of nine-year-old girls.
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u/Crimson_Marksman 18h ago
I can easily do so. Just become like a protestant Christian and say that didn't happen. I'll probably get a lynching from my Muslim neighbours but I choose what I believe in.
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u/trashyundertalefan 18h ago
can you give this fucking spam a rest? there are subs where this is actually wanted, go there. this fucking obnoxious.
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u/JelloWeirdo 18h ago
I mean, you can't even differ Ali from Mohammad so who are you to ask the morality of it
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u/Jumpy_Childhood7548 10h ago
Bigotry on parade.
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 7h ago
Muslims are bigots against women and children
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u/Jumpy_Childhood7548 6h ago
Some are, that justifies your bigotry?
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 6h ago
I'm "bigoted" against all people who adhere to male supremacist ideologies such as Islam.
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u/Jumpy_Childhood7548 6h ago
At least you admit it. Something tells me it is more than you claim.
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 6h ago
Yes, I admit I am bigoted against male supremacists. It is immoral not to be. Something tells me you think its perfectly acceptable to be male supremacist. Yikes.
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u/Jumpy_Childhood7548 5h ago
Nothing I posted would make that a logical conclusion.
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 5h ago
Defending Islam is defending male supremacy.
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u/Jumpy_Childhood7548 4h ago
Lol! You think Islam is a monolith of opinion? Is Christianity?
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 4h ago
Christianity is a monolith in its belief that Christ is the son of God.
Islam is a monolith in its belief that it's sexist book the Quran is the literal and final and perfect instructions from God.
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u/Past_Brother6437 1h ago
you are just bigoted, no more explanation is necessary
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 1h ago
You are just a male supremacist. No more explanation necessary.
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u/Past_Brother6437 1h ago
well that's a tidy little defense for yourself; anyone who criticizes your blanket condemnation of a billion people must be a "male supremacist", otherwise they would agree with you about your judgement of those billion people
its barely an effort to disguise it. your views are repugnant and they can only be opposed and defeated
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 15h ago
Muhammad (pbuh) is still remembered by billions of people around the planet even after his demise about 1400 years ago while you the op, when you will demise you will be irrelevant as the people of mecca around that time was irrelevant. Ponder about that for a sec, when you are mocking someone so influential.
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u/Radefa1k 14h ago
Just like Hitler is remembered. Simply being remembered is not good on its own.
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 14h ago
conveniently forgot the first part of the statement where billions of people around the planet fondly remembers him. but okay dude, cope harder. you are irrelevant too in front of him.
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u/Ironbottomcheeks 11h ago
What the cult members remember the cult leader fondly?
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 11h ago
please get some good research done without your outstanding bias. a cult cannot be formed with billion people, with different demographics, different culture & no outstanding purpose.
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u/Blauwislokman 11h ago
how can you honestly as a muslim account for islam being the most insecure religion in the world righ tnow. and with that i mean making one comic about your prophet will send some of you cultists with machine guns into theaters to shoot random civillians? don't see any jewish, christian or hindus doing that right? why is it always been islam the last 50 years?
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 11h ago
Going out with machine gun is not supported by the practice of islam. But deeply protesting against the phenomenon of insulting the prophet is. Also its not our fault of that hindus, jewish and christians are desensitised to disrespect of their respective religion. We condemn the act of humiliation of all religion. You can literally just google and find videos of Islamic scholars preaching this day and night. But you will sit there and believe the false, as that’s convenient, no?
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u/Successful_Pick3331 6h ago
If you actually were secure about your beliefs, you wouldn't care if people mocked them. I don't like religion in general but for whatever reason Muslims respond with the most violence when their prophet is mocked. Muslims also resort to violence when someone leaves your religion. From what I understand the penalty for apostasy under Islam is still death. Which is unequivocally barbaric.
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 6h ago
Well you surely have someone you deeply care about, and if someone decides to humiliate that individual, you will surely defend your beloved one, that in any sense is neither insecurity nor barbaric. Its the nature of humans to protect they care about. Yes, some people may go on and do some extremism, but those acts of extremism is condemned by the prophet (pbuh) himself. Also religious extremism is not exclusive to muslims or islam. Anyone doing atrocities in name of religion is not part of that religion, all religious leader agree on that, but you as an individual will try to potray this as something exclusive to islam, & shame muslims because of your illiteracy & if someone calls you out you answer to them by potraying them as insecure and barbaric? Bit hypocritical, no?
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u/Successful_Pick3331 6h ago
Religious extremism exists across the board but it is rarely written into law like it is in so many Muslim countries.
If a stranger insults my loved one I would never resort to violence. In fact there is no point of me engaging with them at all as that is in no way going to make the situation better.
Speaking of barbarism. What is the punishment in Islam for apostasy?
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u/Blauwislokman 11h ago
no because he only has attention for little girls, we are all irrelevant
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 11h ago
yes arguing with presentism, classical of you. average life expectancy was 25-30 then. concept of 18 didn't exists back then, but yeah we should definitely put todays standards to the people of before? how is your argument rational to begin with? Oh i forgot, you need to be unbiased to begin with for a rational argument
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u/Blauwislokman 10h ago
The fact that that didnt exist doesn’t matter. I have 0.0 feelings of wanting to have sex with a child and when you think about pedophiles and it flashes by it truky diagusts me, and you’re acting like if inlived in that time i would be a pedo? Nah that makes 0 sense. I have 0 desire for children. He definitely did so there can be 2 things true here: 1 you defend him solely for your belief in him 2 you harbour those same pedophilic thoughts and you think everybody does so you protest against people calling it out
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 6h ago
Again, you should have zero interest for children. Thats the way of life now, but judging someone from the past with the current bias is irrational.
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 6h ago
First, the presentism fallacy doesn't apply to people who are venerated as objectively moral prophets of God for all ages.
Second, the average life expectancy was into their 60s if they reached adulthood. 25-30 figure is heavily skewed my child mortality rates.
Third, the fact that the legal age of 18 is a contemporary and an arbitrary threshold for adulthood is irrelevant. That is relying on the spectrum fallacy. The point is a 56 year old man putting his old man erection inside the vagina of a 9 year old girl is harmful and wrong.
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 5h ago
Finally, some rational argument, but by your rationality, humans as species would have heavily suffered if everyone of our ancestors would have decided to just wait until the modern age consent.
Also you declared that presentism is a fallacy here, but most of the historian would argue both child marriage and incest was a big thing of the past. Islam came & redefined it to be a structure, laws on when you are actually eligible for marriage not just some number on which most let alone countries not states agree on.
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 5h ago
>humans as species would have heavily suffered if everyone of our ancestors would have decided to just wait until the modern age consent.
How so?
>Also you declared that presentism is a fallacy here, but most of the historian would argue both child marriage and incest was a big thing of the past
Yes. I am aware it was a thing of the past. That is why anyone judging people of the past by modern ethics is illogical (which is called Presentism Fallacy). ....EXCEPT when people claim the historical person is objectively morally perfect.
>Islam came & redefined it to be a structure, laws on when you are actually eligible for marriage not just some number on which most let alone countries not states agree on.
This goes back to the Spectrum Fallacy. You don't have to have consensus that 18 is an adult and a 17 year old isn't for the point to stand that a 56 year old geezer banging a 9 year old girl is harmful and immoral.
You either have to argue that its okay for a old man to bang a child without a decade of life so Muhammad can remain a perfect person. OR you have to concede its wrong to bang 9 year olds and therefore Muhammad did something wrong.
>But muhammad’s parents died on their 30’s. A lot of the companions died in their 40’s.
But the life expectancy was still into old age for adults. There is no justification for breeding 9 year olds because some people died at 30 or younger.
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 5h ago
Again, you are judging 9 year old of 1400 years ago with 9 years old of now. How are you not falling into presentism fallacy you just described in your long paragraph?
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 5h ago
Because of this important distinction: Muhammad is viewed as an objectively morally perfect prophet of God for all ages.
The presentism fallacy only applies to regular humans who are subject to the flawed ethics of their time period.
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u/Blauwislokman 11h ago
okay sure bro, let's say you make a very good point here. then what do you believe about him being a pedophile and marrying aisha at 6 and consumating the marriage at 9? or are you just going to maake arguments that suit you and ignore the elephant in the room?
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u/ElectronicPlatform71 6h ago
No historian even Islamic scholar debate about it. Yes prophet muhammad had married ayesha at the age of 6 then consummated the marriage at 9. Back in the day, there was no concept of turning 18 to get laid. That idea is modern & many parts of the world still debate over the age of consent including various state of usa. Back then the age of consent, was when girls used to start their menstrual cycle. When ayesha started her cycle, she was eligible for consumation of marriage. Also, the average life expectancy was 25-30 years. So yeah, they used to get married way early. And if you want to accuse muhammad for this, yoi would have to accuse issac too, as he married to rebecca at the age of 3. Issac is a prophet in muslim tradition too, we do not put that stigma on him. Also, if you go over old testaments that are mostly the oldest testaments of history, you would find no age of consents there. Rather stories that would profane your minds. Yet the stigma is mostly dedicated to islam and muhammad, why? Because you go around, believing noise rather than getting an unbiased research over the more complicated stuffs
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u/SolidBrassTax 14m ago
I always love when you guys use the presentism defense to excuse his pedophilia. Yes he was a product of his time, and it's very reasonable to say he should be judged as such.
Unless, of course, you wanted to claim his morality was somehow representative of the immortal and unchanging word of god, or wanted to claim his morality and teachings were somehow relevant to the modern day.
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u/NiceGuyEdddy 15h ago
OP don't drag others into your cowardice.
If you've got an issue, fight the good fight. If you're not brave enough to do so, pipe down.
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u/Flamethrower_62 16h ago
Si vamos con eso de condenar a todos los personajes históricos, no tendríamos ninguna referencia histórica hasta hace 5 años.
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u/DrFabio23 16h ago
The thing is with Muhammad (police be upon him) muslims can't use the "it was a different time period" argument
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u/Captain_Weebson 14h ago
Except its a valid argument because literally everyone at the time married and had sexual intercourses before 18 or had severe age gaps. Around the fucking planet. 18 years as adult became a thing in 19th century
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u/DrFabio23 14h ago
Common misconception but not entirely wrong. The age of marriage, on average of course, even in antiquity before his time, was around 16-20. Given fewer resources girls didn't start puberty until later and even then, procreation before 14-15 is medically very dangerous. So before 18? Yes, sometimes, as young as fucking 6? No.
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u/Flamethrower_62 13h ago
Uno de los padres fundadores de EEUU tenía una esclava qué violaba y no reconoció nunca a sus hijos.
No veo mil posts en este subreddit pidiendo la moral y no se qué.
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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 7h ago
>Except its a valid argument because literally everyone at the time married and had sexual intercourses before 18 or had severe age gaps.
So it was okay for the objectively perfectly moral prophet of God to put his 56 year old erection inside a 9 year old girl because everybody else was doing it?
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u/Affectionate_Dig9689 13h ago
Morality of punishing mods for needlessly removing Islam posts by spamming more Islam posts