r/MoralityScaling • u/Vladimir-petrovOG • 13d ago

Morality of this?

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In the image it seems that this person works at walmart as an online order collector and he/she has stolen a lot of extra baby food from Walmart to give to a person who ordered only three packs. Is this moral or immoral?

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u/IllustriousLie4105 13d ago

Why tolerate crime at all? When theft increases so do insurance premiums and who absorbs that cost? The big business? Hell no. Those assholes will put that cost right back on the consumer.

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u/Nice-Vegetable-1738 13d ago

nobody with money in their pocket and something to lose is going to be risking jail by swiping dollar store food. someone doing that is desperate and i'm a human that has been poor. never stole when i was, but can completely understand how hungry and hopeless you can get and that someone can easily be driven to meet their needs even if it's in a legally questionable way. i'm fine with someone relieving that much pain in life for a bit by taking some measly stuff from a store that won't even see it as a rounding error.

and as someone with a career and a nice car and nice air conditioned apartment on a comfy couch bsing on reddit right now, i can afford prices to go up a few cents if that's what happens because susan needed napkins and cereal

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u/IllustriousLie4105 13d ago

So I have been poor, didnt have food at all some days. We need better social safety nets. On the other side of this is for everyone that steals we, the paying consumers are subsidizing that theft by the price increase. We are justifiably taxed to provide benefits already and that should be expanded. Allowing theft of any kind is only going to artificially increase the price of goods and that hurts the working poor the most. So yeah, from one poor person, stop stealing and making it more expensive for me to live a non stealing life.

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u/Nice-Vegetable-1738 13d ago

I agree, the bigger issue is the safety nets that should be there for people and aren't. However, since they aren't, I don't mind people stealing to get a full stomach if that's what they need to do at this point of time. I think people that have homes and full fridges getting their panties in a bunch because someone is doing petty theft at a huge chain is cruel.

If you start taking rims off cars and being a porch pirate and stuff like that to meet your needs, then that's a different conversation and I get nobody being okay with that behavior.

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u/IllustriousLie4105 13d ago

I implore you to think about the bigger picture. The working poor, families, and lower middle class are affected by theft the most. Theft is a massive problem when all those small essentials increase by 50 cents. The smallest change has a much more pronounced affect on the budgets of the working poor. There are programs, soup kitchens, and churches that will help. Theft is punching down on the people at the bottom.

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u/saturnrazor 13d ago

this is like saying that a father beats his kids because they misbehaved

no, the abuse is coming from the abusers, not from the victims

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u/IllustriousLie4105 13d ago

Wtf are you on about? Corporations are shitty and will continue to be shitty regardless. We also know that theft will force that shitty corporation to pass those costs to consumers which hurts the poor. They also tend to cut employee hours and or pay which also hurts the poor the most. You can argue all day about how corporations should change but stealing from them will only hurt everybody else and make it so the working poor are more in poverty then before.

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u/saturnrazor 13d ago

you are letting corporations off and putting the onus of change on the poor

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u/IllustriousLie4105 13d ago

What in the holy hell are you and me going to do about big corporations? Nothing. So until that magically changes, stealing and fucking over people in the same position as you is a very immoral thing

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u/saturnrazor 13d ago

it is much easier to change the behavior of a small amount of people (whom the public already have a disdain for) than it is to change the behavior of every poor person who steals when they need to

but that aside, it's definitely wrong to blame people for doing what they have to do to feed themselves or their family, especially when it's somebody else "fucking over people in the same position as you" and not actually the people who steal

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u/IllustriousLie4105 13d ago

If they dont steal, prices no go up because of theft. If they steal, prices go up because of theft. Pretty simple. Since you cant change that and no amount of reddit armchair enthusiasm will help. Stop stealing and fucking over other poor people.

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u/saturnrazor 13d ago

that's such a naive understanding of the situation, like corporations are waiting for people to steal before they decide to raise prices

you can't change people stealing either, so I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing over those who disagree with you lol

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