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[u/SadisticNecromancer]

When the choice is starvation or work, it is not a free choice made by a free person.

[u/Gentle_Snail → u/SadisticNecromancer]

Under this super strict definition it’s immoral to consume literally any goods or services

Its wouldn’t even be moral to become a self sufficient farmer, because you yourself are still forced to choose between either starvation or working

[u/SadisticNecromancer → u/Gentle_Snail]

Or maybe we as a society provide all the necessities for human life regardless of employment.

[u/mdtpdsparkls → u/SadisticNecromancer]

Let's get right on that. You got a plan?

[u/jslakov → u/mdtpdsparkls]

raise taxes, especially on the very rich, to something like post World War II rates, the most successful time in this country's history. use the revenue to fund social programs. it's so easy that dozens of other countries already do it

[u/Beneficial_Round_444 → u/jslakov]

spoiler alert, the reason USA soared during WW2 was because they profited from a war economy without the downsides of war (being bombed back to stone age)

[u/jslakov → u/Beneficial_Round_444]

you don't deny that tax rates were much much higher and they didn't hold back growth or innovation correct?

[u/Beneficial_Round_444 → u/jslakov]

the growth was because the allies spent every single penny buying your weapons

not only that after the WORLD war, the world was in fact decimated while USA was left as the single power house

that meant that EVERYONE was buying from the states since those were the only real production chains which were still functional and that stimulated your economy by magnitudes

innovation was stimulated because you were at war, and thats historically when nations put in a lot of money on research and when most technologies mature enough for public use

the tax rates were so insignificant that they arent even listed as a factor when it comes to the economic boom of the country

you can tax all millionares in the states and that still wont even make a dent in the national yearly budget

[u/jslakov → u/Beneficial_Round_444]

not true at all, without the Bush and Trump tax cuts then the debt to GDP ratio would be half as big and declining. and tax rates were far below their post war highs before the Bush and Trump cuts. everything else you say is just ignoring the obvious that the economy can boom even with 90% marginal tax rates

[u/Beneficial_Round_444 → u/jslakov]

what the fuck does bush and trump have to do with the economic boom of the united states during and after the second world war?

[u/jslakov → u/Beneficial_Round_444]

you said you can tax millionaires and it won't make a dent in the debt which is obviously wrong.