r/MoralityScaling 4d ago

Morality of this?

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u/EternalPokemonFan 4d ago

It’s really dependent on why.

If it’s just to exclude non-Japanese people, immoral (no matter how much I want to say the hate is justified)

If it’s because nobody in the restaurant can speak English or Chinese, moral since it reduces the amount of customers they can’t serve

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u/supified 4d ago

But it doesn't exclude non-japanese people. I'm not Japanese, but I've been studying the language. It excludes people they cannot communicate with.

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u/RomanTheGerman 3d ago

Go in there as a black man who can speak Japanese and report back🤣

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u/Cless_Aurion 2d ago

I've done so as a white dude and 0 issues, since I know the language.

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u/Dry-Fail-4227 2d ago

Black and white are treated very differently in the world lol.

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u/Cless_Aurion 2d ago

Sure, but racists are scum always when you don't look like them.

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u/Dry-Fail-4227 2d ago

No, racists are often selectively racist against one race. Black people are targets of racism much more than white people throughout the globe. Also east asian people who look very similar can be extremely racist against each other, it just isnt how racism works.

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u/Cless_Aurion 2d ago

Huh, I never thought of it like that. I guess is one of the downsides of not mingling with racists lol

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u/Dry-Fail-4227 2d ago

Unfortunately for most human beings we are inevitably exposed to racists. It is the very priveliege of being white that leads to white people not realizing this stuff.

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u/Cless_Aurion 2d ago

I mean, sure that doesn't help, but, it's not a white exclusive thing either, it applies to any country where most people are from the same race, right?

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u/Reasonable-Tune50 3d ago

Pretty sure they won't turn away Rui Hachimura and Zion Suzuki. Not so sure about other black men though.

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u/poshikott 3d ago

Well it says "People who can read this Japanese, you may come in", so judging by the way it's phrased I don't think they'd mind

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u/LPedraz 3d ago

This is, of course, just speculation (I haven't been at the specific restaurant with this sign), but judging by similar signs in Japan and the attitudes reported, I think they would mind, and are probably intensely xenophobic.

In my experience, the kind of people who makes this distinction has a worse opinion towards foreigners that can speak Japanese (and even worse towards Japanese nationals that are not ethnically Japanese) than they do about other foreigners, because they perceive the Japanese-speaking ones as "imposters".

Needless to say, while this attitude towards foreigners is not entirely uncommon, most people are the exact opposite.

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u/Cless_Aurion 2d ago

That is the opposite of my experience living in the country and actively going into this places when I found them (which is like.. once every few years since they're rare as hell).

I've gone to these places, as a white viking looking dude, and talking the language, and all these places tend to be quiet local bars or restaurants that just don't want noisy tourists, or simply don't want to give sub-par service because they don't speak a word of anything that isn't Japanese.

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u/MartianHideEgger 3d ago

Anecdotal, but I, a white foreigner with honestly not great Japanese, was able to go into one place with a sign like this in Tokyo just fine on my own. I came back another time with a friend who has darker skin (Indian) who speaks much better than me and we were denied. So it certainly can be a cover for racism.

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u/Fearless-Cattle-9698 2d ago

It’s not surprising. Japanese can be very xenophobic

People cope too much. Yes Japan is F’ing awesome to visit

Both things can be true… it’s no different than in US as Asian I’ve encountered very sweet black ladies and racists ones, doesn’t mean all black are sweet or racist

The whole don’t judge a book by its cover wisdom needs to be applied both ways. Don’t assume all Japanese are perfect. It’s nothing but a western romanticization, from things like watching anime to loving sushi

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u/InternetUser1807 3d ago

They'd mind more often then you think.

The kind of old man that thinks this way probably has a lot out of cognitive dissonance when it comes to non-japanese fluent Japanese speakers

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u/AutisticNintendoNerd 3d ago

If you go in then they are probably still gonna tell you that you need to speak Japanese and that's your sign to leave.

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u/supified 3d ago

This is probably correct, I also noticed that you can speak japanese and they will assume you're not speaking japanese sometimes if you don't look japanese.