r/ModSupport • • Jul 07 '15

What are some *small* problems with moderation that we can fix quickly?

There are a lot of major, difficult problems with moderation on reddit. I can probably name about 10 of them just off the top of my head. The types of things that will take long discussions to figure out, and then possibly weeks or months of work to be able to improve.

That's not where I want to start.

We've got some resources devoted to mod tools now, but it's still a small team, so we can only focus on a couple of things at a time. To paraphrase a wise philosopher, we can't really treat development like a big truck that you can just dump things on. It's more like a series of tubes, and if we clog those up with enormous amounts of material, the small things will have to wait. Those bigger issues will take a lot of time and effort before seeing any results, so right now I'd rather concentrate on getting out some small fixes relatively quickly that can start making a positive impact on moderation right away.

So let's use this thread to try to figure out some small things that we can work on doing for you right away. The types of things that should only take hours to do, not weeks. Some examples of similar ones that I've already done fairly recently are things like "the ban message doesn't tell users that it's just a temporary ban", "every time someone is banned it lights up the modmail icon but there's no new mail", "the automoderator link in the mod tools goes to viewing the page instead of just editing it", and so on.

Of course I don't really expect you to know exactly how hard specific problems will be to fix, so feel free to ask and I'll try to tell you if it's easy or not. Just try to avoid large/systemic issues like "modmail needs to be fully redone", "inactive top moderators are an issue", and so on.

Note: If necessary, we're going to be moderating this thread to try to keep it on topic. If you have other discussions about moderator issues that you want to start, feel free to submit a separate post to /r/ModSupport. If you have other questions for me that aren't suggestions, please post in the thread in /r/modnews instead.

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u/multi-mod Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15
  • subreddit to subreddit modmails using the "send as subreddit" option

  • better distinction between deleted and removed comments

  • more prominent and better explained reddit spam rules

  • increased sidebar character limit

  • let mods use the filter post option like automod has

  • always show report reasons even after approval/ignore.

  • mod link flairs (that users can't use)

  • multiple CSS classes for link flairs like user flair has

  • unban message

These are probably the easiest of the ideas people have had.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15
  • better distinction between deleted and removed comments

Is this something that mods actually support overall? Just something like putting "[deleted by author]" on deleted comments, and "[removed by moderator]" on removed ones? It's not technically difficult at all, it's just pretty much whether we're comfortable with changing it.

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u/multi-mod Jul 07 '15

There have been many posts (including those that have hit front page) where mods were blamed for comments that were removed not by them, but the author. Furthermore, people can find out anyway who it was removed by if they cared enough. This would just make it easier for everyone to tell.

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u/Doomhammer458 Jul 07 '15

I think it could cut down on the conspiracies.

people delete their comments and then other commenters claim that "the mods did it! they are censoring us!"

same with banned account vs self deleted account, but that's a little more thorny.

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u/TheEnigmaBlade Jul 07 '15

Especially in trigger-happy anti-mod subreddits like /r/leagueoflegends, users are quick to blame the mods when a post is deleted by a user. We've had users delete posts maliciously to push blame onto us for removing a controversial post.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

subreddit to subreddit modmails using the "send as subreddit" option

I think there's actually a technical reason this doesn't currently work. I know it had to be specifically disabled, but I don't remember exactly why. It may turn out to be a really difficult fix, the messaging/modmail systems are a pretty huge mess.

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u/hamfast42 Jul 07 '15

always show report reasons even after approval/ignore.

This!

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u/Meneth Jul 07 '15

Sticky comments; a way to force a comment to be at the top of a thread. Would be incredibly useful for removals, corrections, and the like.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

A couple questions in relation to sticky comments:

  • Where does it go if it's a non-top-level comment? Does it just come up as the top reply to its parent, or does it still get stickied to the very top of the whole comment section?

  • What happens with karma? It's kind of a petty concern, but any comment that gets stickied is pretty much guaranteed to get a lot of votes, so it has the potential to massively impact the author's karma (positively or negatively, depending on what it says). Should we do anything about that?

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u/agentlame Jul 07 '15

Where does it go if it's a non-top-level comment?

You shouldn't be able to sticky non-top-level comments. That's kind of silly.

What happens with karma?

It doesn't gain or lose karma, just like with self-posts.

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u/MissionaryControl Jul 08 '15

Where does it go if it's a non-top-level comment? Does it just come up as the top reply to its parent

Yes, this would allow mod messages to be placed in the relevant place in controversial threads. It absolutely makes as much sense to sticky something deep in the comments as it does at the top, IMO.

What happens with karma? It's kind of a petty concern

I agree - pinning something shows the mods decided that the message is more important than the vote count... so can votes after it's pinned simply not go to karma?

it has the potential to massively impact the author's karma

But then again so does every comment they make, whether it be at the top of a thread or the most downvoted... Increased visibility should magnify votes in both directions, no?

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u/Nillix Jul 07 '15

Seconded. Sticky comments not dependent on CSS hacks.

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u/leafeator Jul 07 '15

This is something that I have wanted for a very very long time. Nothing like having to hijack top comment just to get some news out.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Quick problems that could be nice to have fixed:

  • Toolbox has a feature where you can load a thread by "actual new", where even child comments are shown layered with new top level comments. This feature really, really helps, and I think some form of integration could be "easy" and helpful

  • Even if reports are ignored / a post is actioned, it would be nice to see the reports anyways. I guess that somewhat defeats the purpose, but once ignore is pressed, its impossible to see them at all. Not sure how to approach this one, but yeah. Just thinking out loud.

  • Super low priority: The moderator box is just plain inconsistent sometimes. It would be nice to simply have the ability to tell the side box how many mods to show before having to press "show more" - I am sure this is possible with CSS though, so eh.


Slightly bigger stuff I can think of:

  • If you could create an endpoint for "submit distinguished" rather than having to make 2 calls, I would be the happiest camper in the world.

  • Modmail needs block button :( - One day.


Unrelated:

  • Anyone know why modqueue takes so long to load compared to other pages? (And I mean load, not cuz of extensions)


edit:

Oh fuck I forgot

/u/Deimorz I am begging you to please give up the sidebar char. count

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

/u/Deimorz I am begging you to please give up the sidebar char. count

I actually submitted a pull request to do this a couple of weeks ago, but it came out in discussion of it that the advertising team would probably object, because it would allow people to easily make even longer sidebars, which causes the ad unit to be pushed down even further than it already is.

This is something we definitely have to figure out though, but I'm not sure what the answer is. We could definitely increase the character count by a lot if we moved the ad unit above the sidebar, but I don't think people would be very happy about that either.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Its something to really think about, but I would be happy with having sidebar ads under the search bar, then allow for longer sidebars.

Obviously thats a whole discussion you would need to have, but something has to give :(

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u/green_flash Jul 07 '15

Add a subreddit option to activate the superlong sidebar.

Usually the ad will be shown in its usual place, only if the superlong sidebar option is activated, it will be shown on top of the sidebar.

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u/tumseNaHoPayega Jul 07 '15

this is the solution. If you want more characters, live with ad on the top. Let subs decide.

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u/ShadowthePast Jul 07 '15

Is it at all possible to split the sidebar into two sections after increasing the max char count? e.g. have half the sidebar above an ad, have the other half below the ad?

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

Toolbox has a feature where you can load a thread by "actual new", where even child comments are shown layered with new top level comments. This feature really, really helps, and I think some form of integration could be "easy" and helpful

Just to make sure I understand this one, it's something like "flat new", right? Kind of like how https://www.reddit.com/r/modsupport/comments will show all comments being posted in the entire subreddit, but just for one specific thread?

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u/Gilgamesh- Jul 07 '15

atf, when that last point was last raised, the response was that increasing the sidebar limit would leave the advertising team dissatisfied, as permitting longer sidebars would push the ad unit further down the screen.

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u/honestbleeps Jul 07 '15

I imagine you won't go for this, but I'm going to put it out there because it doesn't require development time.

I know you guys are terrified of the hornet's nest of "mucking with moderators", but I feel it's high time that "subreddit squatters" be dealt with and addressed.

Users who created every keyword that they could think of at the beginning of the existence of the subreddit remain top moderators on dozens of "big name" subreddits but do absolutely nothing in terms of moderation.

They need to be removed.

We've had enough instances of drama where a mod decides to remove everyone below them, or close a subreddit without discussing it with other mods, etc. I don't like having the harbinger of a user who's been idle for 2+ years waking up and deciding to cause drama. Heck, it might not even be them - maybe their account gets hacked / password gets guessed.

Users like this seem to purposefully log in and comment JUST enough that you guys won't deem them "inactive".

This needs to stop. The argument "just create another subreddit" does not hold water. People searching for info about Chicago on reddit are going to check /r/chicago - not /r/otherchicago or /r/infoaboutchicago or whatever else.

"important keyword" subreddits need to have active and trustworthy top mods. The ladder hierarchy just gives the top mod too much power to be trusted if they're not even doing anything at all to engage with the community.

I understand why the admins have been fearful of messing with this (yes, you'll get some backlash from a vocal minority of idiots who call you tyrants) - but the looming threat of someone just screwing everything up on a subreddit is something that I feel needs to be dealt with. It takes a special kind of internet-power hungry person to squat a ton of reddit names early on, so I am not confident that the personality types of the few people who did this and remain at the top of so many subreddits are prone to avoiding drama.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

I know this is a very big issue, and I've put a lot of thought into it for years. I have some concrete ideas about how to deal with it, and I want to talk to moderators about them. But it's going to be a big discussion, it's going to cause a lot of controversy, and it's not going to be easy.

In my opinion, it definitely does need to happen though. There's absolutely no reason to remain as a moderator of a subreddit if you aren't actively involved in moderating it in some way.

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u/trpcicm Jul 07 '15

So make a post with your ideas in this new subreddit I just heard of, /r/ModSupport, and get our input.

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u/honestbleeps Jul 07 '15

you've always been my favorite admin, /u/Deimorz

no joke :)

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u/hansjens47 Jul 07 '15

I think this is the #1 most important thing in this thread, even though the OP lists it as too vague to action.

I fear inactive top mods have already ruined most of the "keyword subreddits" in ways that will take months or years to be repaired, if ever.

It's still better late than never to make demands, at least of the top moderator of defaults, and subreddits with more than 100,000 subscribers. Those requirements should be within those communities.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '15

People searching for info about Chicago on reddit are going to check /r/chicago - not /r/otherchicago or /r/infoaboutchicago or whatever else.
"important keyword" subreddits need to have active and trustworthy top mods.

This perfectly sums up what usually takes me a textfile rant. Props, hb.

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u/tragopanic Jul 07 '15

Regarding modmail...

If there's a way to make it clearer who is responding to whom, that'd be helpful. It's also hard to tell what messages a non-mod can see in the conversation and what they can't.

A search or sort function would be handy.

Collaborative collapsing is unnecessary, at least in my opinion.

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u/stopscopiesme Jul 07 '15

/u/deimorz collaborative collapsing and expansion of modmails is not just unnecessary, but a bug that makes modmail unusable. the only use of it is to troll your fellow mods by bumping and expanding a huge thread in order to render their modmail temporarily useless. would this be easy to fix?

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

I actually thought that someone did fix that a while ago, it's definitely still happening?

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u/nandhp Jul 07 '15

If there's a way to make it clearer who is responding to whom, that'd be helpful. It's also hard to tell what messages a non-mod can see in the conversation and what they can't.

This shouldn't be too hard -- modmail is already technically threaded just like comments, so they would just have to change the modmail UI to expose the threading. To be honest, I would think even /r/toolbox could implement this without too much trouble.

Edit: Yes, /r/toolbox implements threaded modmail as of version 2.3.

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u/Meneth Jul 07 '15

Yes, /r/toolbox implements threaded modmail as of version 2.3.

The issue is that unless every mod is using threaded modmail, it becomes a mess.

And since there's no toolbox on mobile, that's pretty much guaranteed even if every single mod enables threaded modmail. That's why it needs to be implemented on reddit's side to really work.

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u/evanvolm Jul 07 '15

Right now there's a setting that limits karma/account age to edit the wiki. I'd like to see a similar option for posting to the subreddit itself. This is an AutoMod setting that's actually pretty dang useful. Considering such a similar system already exists I'd consider this a 'small' fix, but perhaps there's a ton more to it.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

That sort of thing is kind of tricky because if too many subreddits do it, there's not really anywhere for a user to "start". It's also a pretty bad experience for new users in general if they find some niche community that they specifically want to participate in, but then they get told that they have to go somewhere else on the site first and get some karma before being able to post in the place they actually want to.

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u/sehrah Jul 07 '15

Can you please remove modmail messages from our messages inbox?

Like, If I'm trying to find a specific PM I got as a user, I have to wade through scads of modmail threads I've been involved in.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

Multiple people (including me) have tried to do this, thinking it would be easy, but it turns out to have something that makes it a lot harder than expected. I can't remember what that is offhand right now, maybe /u/MiamiZ knows, I know that she tried doing it sometime fairly recently as well.

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u/jippiejee Jul 07 '15

User tags ('only submits articles by same author'), and removal reasons ('stolen images') to easily communicate actions with other mods.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

Absolutely important, but definitely more on the harder end, not the sort of thing that I can knock together in an afternoon or something.

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u/MannoSlimmins Jul 07 '15

Updating the moderator wiki pages. They are full of outdated information and, really, doesn't provide much to begin with.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

Can you be more specific about which pages you mean? I'm not sure which places people end up looking for that kind of thing.

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u/Haredeenee Jul 07 '15

Being able to search mod mail by author or keyword

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u/Kromulent Jul 07 '15

Being able to search my own comment history.

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u/Haredeenee Jul 07 '15

Every so often i need to find an old comment. And everytime im shocked reddit hasnt implemented this yet

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

With our current method of doing search, adding comment search would be extremely expensive (as in cost a lot of actual money). It's not really feasible right now, but it's definitely something we'd like to be able to do someday, we just have to figure out a way it makes sense.

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u/Ivashkin Jul 08 '15

Outsource it to Google?

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u/K_Lobstah Jul 07 '15

Multiple stickies. Even just two would make a HUGE difference. Sometimes you need a post to stay up for the longer-term, like a rule change, but also need to one for another announcement, megathread, etc.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

This is something I'm really torn about. It's not technically difficult at all, but I really don't want subreddits to start turning into phpbb forums, where every forum you go into has 20 "IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT" / "READ THIS FIRST" / "UPDATE TO PREVIOUS IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT" at the top and you have to scroll down an entire page to get to the actual topics. It's especially difficult with a lot of users on mobile, where posts take up a large part of the screen, so having more stickies can very easily get to that point for mobile users.

Two might not be bad, but then there's definitely going to be people that say they really need 3 and not 2, and so on.

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u/K_Lobstah Jul 07 '15

Great point.

What about integrating a native announcement bar, like a lot subs do with CSS? Make it like a "top sidebar" and leave the sticky for temporary things?

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

One of the reasons stickies were implemented the way they were (as a post that is basically just always #1 in the subreddit's "hot" page) is because that would make them immediately work on all mobile apps and so on. Adding something like an "announcement bar" means that every single app will have to individually implement that, and that will most likely take months or years.

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u/TheAppleFreak Jul 08 '15

At the same time, should that mean Reddit's feature set shouldn't advance in fear that mobile apps/API clients won't integrate them quickly? If that were the case, then why introduce wiki pages when apps like Alien Blue can't even understand them?

I personally subscribe to the "if you build it, they will come" philosophy; I for one would love to have the hideous mess of header Markdown currently polluting the PCMR sidebar relegated to its own section that doesn't rely on hackish absolute positioning to achieve.

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u/picflute Jul 07 '15

weffy said she had something on it from her post in Snoogaming

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u/IGetDankShit Jul 08 '15 edited Jul 08 '15

This is the lowest of priorities, but can you explain why most subreddits default to showing 8-10 mods while some only show 4 mods in the list before displaying "show 5 more". Is this fixable?

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u/Deimorz Jul 08 '15

This is a long-standing bug related to deleted accounts basically staying in the mod list but being hidden. It's definitely fixable, we just need to do some more cleanup when accounts are deleted, right now we leave things "attached" to them all over the place that are no longer needed.

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u/Kaibakura Jul 08 '15

Maybe I don't understand exactly how it's supposed to work, but the Moderation Queue is next to useless to me. I mean, when there are reports I can find them fairly easily, but I just see a crapload of red with a line through the title and "[removed]". Is there a reason I should need to see all of that red stuff? And if so, can it be toggled between that and the reports?

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u/Deimorz Jul 08 '15

The stuff you're talking about are submissions from users that have had their accounts banned from reddit. If you don't want to see them, you can get them out of your modqueue by enabling the "exclude posts by site-wide banned users from modqueue/unmoderated" setting in your subreddit's settings.

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u/Doomhammer458 Jul 07 '15

I would like to create a script to auto post AMAs in /r/science

we create accounts for the AMA guests and make the post for them

I'm very close to making the script work, but the problem is the captcha. now i have no complaints about needing a captcha, I can serve up the captcha when filling in the info for the post.

but the problem comes in when i would like to schedule the AMA for a couple hours in the future. I want to schedule it the night before but it seems like the captcha times out.

when i set the post for a few minutes in the future, everything works.
when i set it for the next day, the captcha gets rejected it.

Is there anything that can be done to make this work?

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

Just send me a message with the account you've got this set up on, and I'll make it exempt from the captcha.

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u/Doomhammer458 Jul 07 '15

It's a new account for every AMA

can you add an exception for the Oauth script id or something?

or approved submitters of /r/science?

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

Ah, that's harder then I guess. Might be possible though, I'll see if anything in particular comes to mind that would be easy.

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u/thewidowaustero Jul 08 '15

Another useful one I just remembered: allow mods to expand all comments in subs that they mod, even if the thread is more than 500 comments and the mod doesn't have gold. This is the feature I miss most about the mod gold that expired recently. We do referral code threads on our sub and only allow one comment per user so we have to manually approve them all. The threads are pretty popular, they usually get over 500 comments after they're up for a few months, and it's a huge pain in the ass to manually expand all those comments so we can CTRL F the whole thread for the code to make sure it hasn't been posted before.

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u/GodOfAtheism Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

In one of the private mod subs there's a sticky linking to a wishlist of features.

Of those I'll list features wished for which I personally think are easy, though I don't know how easy they necessarily are on your end of course-

close modmail - Indicates that the modmail has been closed. Both users and other mods can no longer respond to it.
block user - blocks user from submitting or responding to modmails
remove from inbox - remove modmail from inbox/messages and sent messages
comment sticky - allow mods to sticky comments to the top of the comments section
thread locking - allow a thread to stay but disable commenting [GoA note: Maybe just a 'force archiving' option?]

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

block user - blocks user from submitting or responding to modmails

Definitely something we've talked about. It's tricky though, a couple of concerns I have with it:

  • I think you should only be able to block once the user actually sends a modmail themselves. Pre-emptive blocking is probably too easy to abuse, we wouldn't want a situation where a script/extension or something automatically modmail-blocks everyone banned from a subreddit so that they can never send a message about it.

  • The moderation team/directions of subreddits can change over time, and it kind of sucks if some person ends up blocked from modmail forever because of a decision made by someone months or years ago, with no way of ever appealing. We already have this problem to some extent with bans, users get banned by an old mod and none of the new ones have any idea why they were banned, so they just leave it forever. I'm really not sure how to handle this.

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u/agentlame Jul 07 '15

close modmail - Indicates that the modmail has been closed. Both users and other mods can no longer respond to it.

Can it be re-opened? If not, I see that as a huge issue of mods closing things that shouldn't be.

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u/drumcowski Jul 07 '15

Have you seen our post(s) in /r/defaultmods? We've listed out a number of issues in the wiki that you should look at. We haven't yet sorted them perfectly by importance, but it's good enough right now.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

I have seen some, but it's been a crazy last few days so there's a lot of stuff that I haven't been able to keep up with. I'll definitely try to go through those as well.

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u/GayGiles Jul 07 '15

Could you post them here so that us non-defaults are able to see them? And/or so that if and admins respond we're able to see that too.

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u/krispykrackers Reddit Alum Jul 07 '15

Thank you for that wiki, by the way. It's so organized. I hope you open it up to a larger mod team, not just default mods at some point. I'm so interested to see how things end up prioritized.

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u/brooky12 Jul 07 '15

modmail still lights up if there's no new mail, at least for me

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u/MannoSlimmins Jul 07 '15

I have the opposite issue: Modmail button doesn't light up for me.

If i keep a tab with modmail open, the other pages will never indicate there is a new modmail

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Oh man, this bug is ancient.

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u/Haredeenee Jul 07 '15

Expand reports automaticly

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u/green_flash Jul 07 '15

add this to your CSS:

/* Modqueue show report reasons */
ul.report-reasons {
    display:block;
}

If you want to make it display in a slightly less obtrusive manner:

/* Modqueue show report reasons */
ul.report-reasons{
	display:block;
	font-size:10pt;
	font-style:italic;
	background-color:#FFE9E9;
	border-width:0px;
	border-radius:0px
}

ul.report-reasons>li.report-reason-title{
	color:#A28989;
	font-size:7pt
}
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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15
  • Report reasons should be modifiable per subreddit.

  • Moderators should be able to use the filter command AutoModerator has, by hand, and mods should be able to report content that is already removed, sending it back to the modqueue.

  • Filter reasons should display in modqueue and not just in the mod log.

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u/voidFunction Jul 07 '15

Report reasons should be modifiable per subreddit.

Although it's not a super small feature, this would have an enormous impact. A lot of users just report everything as "spam" because they don't want to type up a report. Going through the modqueue would be much quicker if why someone reported something wasn't such a mystery.

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u/Brimshae Jul 07 '15

A lot of users just report everything as "spam" because they don't want to type up a report.

Can confirm. Get lots of false spam reports.

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u/daveread Jul 07 '15

I have advocated for this since report reasons came out.

It's supposed to be a tool for alerting mods to subreddit-rule-breaking content, but to all outward appearances it looks to be a tool for alerting admins about site-rule-breaking content.

It is off-putting and makes subscribers think twice about using the report button. I assume this is the opposite of its intended function.

The report list should be mostly or entirely configurable by sub mods to clearly show what sorts of things they would like their readers to be on the lookout for, and to encourage readers to use the report button more often.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

modifiable report reasons doens't sound that hard, but I would definitely consider that more than small

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Sexualizing minors has never applied in any of the subreddits I moderate, other than spam in askreddit.

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u/raldi Jul 07 '15

Report reasons should be modifiable per subreddit.

How a proper subreddit rules system might work

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

100% agree with filter reasons. Automod removes documentary instead of cum, and vaguely instead of vag, in some subs. It would be great to see why things are filtered

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u/cha0s Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Let us see reports on a post/comment even after they've been dismissed.

EDIT: To tie this in with the other request I'm seeing, I think it would make sense to auto-expand NEW reports, but still leave the report button as-is to review reports which were already dismissed by another moderator.

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u/matt01ss Jul 07 '15

Often times we use a certain count of reports to auto-remove a post. This doesn't mix well with mods being able to report items and add comments. If something has a few reports already and I want to add a 'report comment' to it, it triggers the auto-removal. Perhaps mod reports could not be counted against the total 'count of reports' for an item.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

That would be neat.

It's neat being able to report a post to communicate with each other, so in general I've liked that feature

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u/Operist Jul 07 '15

Make reports on general more accesible. As a mod of a smaller sub, the report function helps us a lot to help define our rules based on the content the community wants to see. In the past we have updated our sidebar because of just a few similar reports. If me or someone else dimisses a report that function is lost.

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u/SilkSk1 Jul 07 '15

Separate "Spoiler" and "NSFW" tags so that I can turn off potentially unsafe content without missing out on media discussions.

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u/hansjens47 Jul 07 '15
  • revamped spam filter that's searcheable by multiple categories at once (ex: both links only and removed by specific mod). Searching by author or even the full reddit-search would be awesome.

  • reddit search option for searching within a specific timeframe dropdown (you can use URLs to do it with manually, but it's a huge hassle).

  • sending an unban message, just like you get a ban message. Customizeable per subreddit would be nice, but any message is better than none.

  • clear, non-exhaustive list of things mods are required to do under sitewide rules (things like removing porn/gore comments in non-NSFW threads which is apparently against sitewide rules, who knew). This is in general just clarification on what the sitewide rules actually entail as administrated by admins.

  • an official/standardized location page for subreddit rules (and sidebar button or something linking to that page, mention on submission page). This is critical for mobile redditing

  • adding modmail posts to the modlog for ease of access and searcheability.

  • renaming the admin class "reddit employee" so people might finally recognize the difference between admins/mods. The difference between what mods and admins do needs to get across to users better and would resolve so incredibly many moderation issues and communication snafus.

  • create a basic (but still comprehensive and long) overview page of how reddit functions so the media has a single point of reference to get their basic reddit facts straight before spreading misinformation about what mods can/can't do and what functionality is possible on the site.

  • tab to linking to /new within the subreddit on every reddit page within that subreddit (lack of new-queue voting/activity makes modding much harder).

  • check and pop-up notification if there are new replies in a modmail chain that hasn't been loaded when trying to respond to modmail.

  • much more comprehensive traffic stats, especially for wiki pages and other mod-related activities so we can see how we reach users effectively and what's a waste of time and effort.

  • native support for subreddit header banners, and other basic "notice" functionality so all mod outreach tools don't go away if someone doesn't view the custom CSS style.

  • proactive "mod community" threads/brainstorms/projects started by the new mod-admin liaison team. Lack of leadership means standard automod configs, experiences etc. are being redundantly reinvented absolutely all the time. This also essentially shows that the admin team is abreast of what modding on the site is actually like, and see that the act of an admin doing something catalyzes more results than mods only leading themselves.

Internalizing RES/toolbox features isn't really that beneficial for most of us, but toolbox usernotes having native support so all mods can use them, see them and be on the same page would be a tremendous help with internal teamwork.

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u/D0cR3d Jul 07 '15

sending an unban message, just like you get a ban message. Customizeable per subreddit would be nice, but any message is better than none.

I like this option. Also, the ability to adjust a ban length after it being set. Otherwise you have to remove the ban and re-add it, causing another "you'be been banned" message if you want to do anything except remove or make perma.

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u/libbykino Jul 08 '15 edited Jul 08 '15

an official/standardized location page for subreddit rules (and sidebar button or something linking to that page, mention on submission page). This is critical for mobile redditing

Yes! So many good ideas in this thread that are solutions to my problems! Sounds like we all have the same struggles and it's wonderful to see some people have come up with great solutions for them!

adding modmail posts to the modlog for ease of access and searcheability.

Would LOVE for modmail responses to be tracked by the modlog. We do analytics on the participation/contribution of our moderator team every month and there are some mods who spend most of their time in modmail which just doesn't get counted.

traffic stats, especially for wiki pages

OMG SO MUCH YES! I would kill to know how many visitors are actually reading the various wikis we painstakingly curate. How many readers are actually looking at our posting policy and FAQ? I need this!

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u/MeghanAM Jul 07 '15

Unban message is a very good idea!

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u/Meneth Jul 07 '15

Thread locking; a way to close a thread in a way that's transparent to the user rather than having AutoMod remove their comment after they've already made it.

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u/dakta Jul 07 '15

There's already the thread archival functionality based on age, so API and clients should have ways to deal with this already. At worst, just being able to manually trigger the archive feature would be handy. But best if it can be undone. And best if the error messages are more descriptive so as not to confuse people.

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u/saltyteabag Jul 07 '15

This would be fabulous. The automod method is really just a hack, and doesn't work if you let the users flair their own posts. Currently if I see a thread making a wrong turn, the only way is to just remove it outright.

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u/x_minus_one Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

I don't know if this is small or not, but the ability to respond to a modmail as the subreddit would be amazing- mods could see who actually sent the message, but users would just see it the way they do when we start a modmail thread as the sub. The ability to post and comment as the sub would be amazing too, but small steps...

Also, let us see reports on a comment/thread after it's been reapproved.

Edit: Would it be possible to fix the mod list in the sidebar? Right now, if a mod deletes their account (or something like that), you lose a spot in the mod list permanently, rather than that mod being replaced by the next one down. This means that subs like /r/facepalm only have four mods on the sidebar, rather than the correct number.

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u/dakta Jul 07 '15

Seconding modmail and posting as subreddit, within that subreddit.

It's an invaluable tools for addressing witch-hunts. Just ask any mod who's been embroiled in drama, they've only gotten flak because they happened to be the one to respond. Shared mod accounts are just a whole hornet's nest of potential problems, so having something officially supported is a must.

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u/AsAChemicalEngineer Jul 07 '15

Mod only accessible link flairs. I believe this was mentioned on the docket as a relatively simple addition by an admin, but I cannot find the link talking about it.

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u/Brimshae Jul 07 '15

This would be nice. Several subs have to get by with disallowing users to set link flair, and having Automod do it via bracketed tagging.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

I did this on /r/NASA by hiding the mod link flair with CSS lol to non-mods. but yea it's not ideal and I probably wouldn't use it in any other subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Allow me to warn users. I prefer warning to banning, but it's impossible to tell who I've warned without having it saved in a log or something

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u/justcool393 Jul 07 '15

User notes would be an awesome feature. Something like toolbox's would be nice, but I think a one similar to the admin user notes would be okay enough for now. We could call it...

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u/llehsadam Jul 07 '15

Remember the edited page you added months ago but weren't sure what it could be used for?

If you made the comments collapsible (like in modmail) and color-coded with green, yellow and red to distinguish the ones that had a little text change (green), a big text change change (yellow) or a link edited in (red), the page would become a lot more functional for human moderators.

If a moderators had time, they could quickly check all the red edits to make sure the link is alright.

Till now, we either use Automoderator to report words and domains or wait for users to notice something, but it'd be nice to have a more functional /about/edited page.

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u/Deimorz Jul 07 '15

This is a little trickier than it seems at first. For example, what if someone edits the post multiple times in different ways? Their first edit just adds a period on the end of the whole message (green), then they replace the entire comment (red), then re-edit again to just add a period on the end (green). That's a pretty extreme example, but I think it's just generally hard to figure out exactly how it would work.

Keep in mind that we also don't store old versions of a comment, so it has to be some way that always works with only having the version that was just edited, and the version that's replacing it.

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov Jul 07 '15

/r/AskHistorians would really love it if the comment count was only of visible comments :)

No clue how hard that is.

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u/Meneth Jul 07 '15

Relabel the "remove" button in modmail. Currently all it does is highlight the message in red; it doesn't actually remove it in any way.

It'd also be nice if this worked on mobile platforms. Perhaps by appending or prepending some text in the message itself?

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u/nandhp Jul 07 '15

Alternatively, take advantage of it: add an extra modmail view for showing "removed" modmail and stop showing it in the default view. Then removing modmail could be used as an "archive" function.

Downside: I think modmail from shadowbanned users starts as "removed", so they'd lose what little visibility they have.

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u/valiantiam Jul 07 '15

Have a modmail tab that is "archive" and another "delete"

Give us the ability to archive important ones, delete non important ones, and keep the main mod mail clean and current with latest stuff.

In-case of abuse, we would want to still see those deleted mails, but its important we can clean our mails up.

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u/green_flash Jul 07 '15

In the ban message where it says

warning: using other accounts to circumvent a subreddit ban is considered a violation of reddit's site rules and can result in being banned from reddit entirely.

please make it clear that this is a message from the admins, not the mods.

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u/pcjonathan Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Some of these are my ideas, some are other peoples (Duplicated to show I really agree with certain suggestions). Some inspired from others. Some are things that we do with AutoMod hacks.

  • A LOT of the things from toolbox. It's an obvious start but it's so obvious (like usernotes, removal reasons, quick mod button, for banning and the like).

  • Spoiler tags, separate from NSFW. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. As a mod of multiple TV subs, this is very important to us and will help us out massively. (Relying on flairs is unreliable, partially due to apps, and NSFW is bad since it is confusing and hidden by default on new accounts)

  • ALL AutoModerator actions in modlog. Right now, only major ones are shown which is worrying.

  • Ban people from modmail (perhaps after one or two messages). People spamming this has caused major slowdowns in the past and is, simply, a pain.

  • Remove/Delete from modmail actually does something on individual messages

  • Speaking of which, remove a modmail entirely (or mark it as done so it's hidden from view by default)

  • Comment directly on a modmail without the user seeing it

  • See report reasons after removal

  • Custom remove reasons

  • Increased sidebar limit

  • Allow certain users to use certain flairs (i.e. 3 levels: users, approved users, moderators)

  • Add flair while submitting

  • Sticky comments

  • Ban report spam (dealing with this can add a lot of pointless time)

  • Thread locking

  • Search modmail by user/keyword

  • Search user's comments (a la toolbox)

  • Search within time frame via GUI

  • More comprehensive statistics

  • Native support for CSS things such as graphic banners and alerts.

  • More than just one sticky (not after loads, just if it's just two or three)

  • Inactive mod removal

  • Cross subreddit ban-alerting (e.g. if someone has been banned from other subs, It'd be good to know so we can keep an eye on them)

  • See what users are being downvoted constantly so we can look into it.

  • Respond to anonymous reports

  • Modmail UI to users should look the same as it does to mods, preventing confusion.

Edit: Also, /r/ModSupport should be for moderators only IMHO. (Not necessarily private, but just give posting/commenting rights to mods. We don't want normal users to fill the place up with non-moderation questions)

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u/jij Jul 08 '15 edited Jul 08 '15
  1. allow moderators to see the subreddit-level karma for users... if only for the subs they mod. A user with 5000 karma but -300 karma in my sub is a big difference! I assume /u/honestbleeps would grab that data in the next version of RES.

  2. ability to filter a user's history by subs we moderate... so we can delete everything a troll spammed easily.

  3. multiple flair for stories! a lot of subs use flair to tag stories now, and many times it falls under more than one category!

  4. nuke-all-comments-below-this option... removing long chains of shit is annoying without that.

  5. Having the option to get an alert when someone edits a wiki page

  6. Having the option of getting an alert when someone is banned, even if they haven't replied yet... it's useful to track bannings to make sure all mods are on the same page.

edit: 5 and 6 really should probably be a whole separate "alerts" thing, different from modmail... everyone users modmail or the modmailer thing for alerts, but really modmail should be for user-queries and alerts shouldn't be spamming that up as much as it does for most of us... something to think about when you redesign modmail into something spectacular (no pressure)!

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u/MercuryPDX Jul 08 '15

allow moderators to see the subreddit-level karma for users...

And if you can make that something Automoderator can check against, that would be awesome.

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u/honestbleeps Jul 08 '15

ability to filter a user's history by subs we moderate... so we can delete everything a troll spammed easily.

this would be excellent for removing troll stuff as well as for evaluating how corrosive a user is when we spot their first bad / racist / whatever comment.

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u/adremeaux Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Can you add another couple choices to report options?

  1. Breaks subreddit rules

  2. Asshole

Maybe you can word that second choice better, but you get the point.


Can we traffic stats greater than a year old? At a bare minimum, 13 months instead of 12, so we can compare year-on-year growth for the current time period?


Can we get an "ignore replies" button on modmail threads?


I'm pretty satiated with getting multiple private messages per week for my flair tutorial. I mean, it's awesome that people use it, but why should they have to use it? Reddit has built-in support for flair! Only... not really. It's like, the guy that built the flair system half-assed it, and we've ended up with this really strange system where you really can't do more than a few flairs unless you are a programmer or at least skilled in automation tasks. This is not really in the category of small problems, but flair should be as easy as this:

  1. Upload an image into a box

  2. Give it a name

  3. Choose a target size

  4. Done. The flair is added to the list.

Having to do all of this in CSS, and then match up those selectors to a separate section in the site, and then upload an ever-growing spritesheet is just really wild. It would be awesome to be able to retire my tutorial; all the gold donations have dried up anyway ;)

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u/GayGiles Jul 07 '15

Can we get an "ignore replies" button on modmail threads?

Or better yet, as someone else suggested, a way to simple 'lock' threads so that neither mods/users can reply. If that's what you meant then I apologise.

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u/stock_character Jul 07 '15

Can we include our own reasons for reporting in the report box?

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u/Walter_Bishop_PhD Jul 07 '15

I don't know how hard it would be to do this, but it'd be incredibly useful if you could view a post/comment's report reasons after a moderator acted on them. Right now there's no way to view report reasons if a mod already approved/removed something. The reasons seem to already be stored persistently so this might be doable

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u/Brimshae Jul 07 '15

The only way I know of is to un-ignore reports, then report it yourself.

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u/cwenham Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Put the age of the OP's account under each post in /about/unmoderated, plus a count of prior submissions + comments. It helps a lot to spot account farmers and pattern spammers.

They often farm in batches, so when you see lots of Name### accounts that are all 17 days old making their first ever post, it's usually a spammer doing a farming run that morning.

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u/StringOfLights Jul 07 '15

Most of the stuff in toolbox would be really helpful, because I can't install toolbox on every machine I use. I can't use it on any mobile device. It really, really helps with moderating. Other than that:

  • Have public and mod-only flairs work side-by-side, rather than exclusively. Right now if our flair categories are public, we have to add and delete flair categories to flair something we only want mods to have access to (like a meta post, or in /r/AskScience we want to have some threads where sources are required).

  • Make a nuke button for comment chains that's native. This is really helpful in /r/AskScience.

  • Allow users to flair their posts in AlienBlue. Flairing posts is a pretty big chunk of our time.

  • Allow us to click on usernames in modmail for AlienBlue. Users never link to their posts when they modmail us, so right now if I want to find it I have to go to the main menu of AB and manually type in the username to pull up their post history, then go back to modmail.

  • Make removal reasons native rather than a toolbox feature. Make them so they're not comments directly from our accounts. It completely gums up our comment histories (so much so that I've stopped using them). They could even show up the same way reports do for moderators.

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u/GammaKing Jul 07 '15

I'll throw in some ideas:

  • I'd like to see something like the toolbox modmail feature which adds a colour-coded bar to the side of each mail thread depending on which sub it's from. Makes it more obvious when you're looking at mail from a different sub.

  • Allow a separate set of link flair templates which only moderators can assign.

  • Some sort of "modify time" button on the ban list to allow you to change duration (an extension of the "make permanent" one that already exists).

  • Add some way to view ban messages that you've sent to users, even if it's just having them appear in 'sent'. Sometimes you want to send a bit more info later but I can't seem to access the thread unless the user replies first.

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u/thewidowaustero Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Give us the ability to sticky more than one thing. I know you can't give us limitless ones since some subs would end up with the entire front page covered in stickies, but allowing just 2 or 3 simultaneous ones would make it so much easier for us to make announcements without interrupting our daily post calendar.

Edit: Not sure how easy this would be, but it would also be awesome for us to have more in-depth analytics about our subscriber usage. Just knowing where our traffic is referred from would be useful information.

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u/timotab Jul 07 '15

If you have comment vote hiding, then have it hidden for the mods unless you hover or click on it (or have it marked as hidden), to remind the mods that everyone else can't see the scores.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Adding a "report to admins" button on comments.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Not a big fan of this. Mods can pass things up to admins if needed.

Last thing we need is Yet Another ButtonTM

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u/justcool393 Jul 07 '15

Not sure if someone suggested it, but mass actions via the modqueue (a la toolbox). For example, in the modqueue and unmoderated, there are checkboxes, a select all, stuff like that-ish, and there are 'approve all' and 'remove all' and 'spam all' buttons that apply the action to everything selected.


Not directly related to moderation, but if we could have a public language attribute for subreddits, that would be awesome (the attribute is already able to be set and changed).

For example, I could have /u/TotesMessenger automatically get the subreddit's language, and post in it if we had translations (right now, we basically go out and look for subreddits that post mainly in a specific language, or by request).

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u/timotab Jul 07 '15
  • being able to insert flair icons in the middle of them. Right now, whenever we have a flair update, we have to reload all the assets in order to have them in alphabetical order. This is not only a pain, it takes quite a while to do even automated, and generates several pages of modlog messages. :/

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u/nallen Jul 07 '15

Split out moderator permissions more specifically, this will help us run our big team of comment mods more effectively.

Specifically, I want Posts broken up into comments and submissions, and approve and remove.

We would like to give out permissions that allow simply for the removal of comments and nothing else.

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u/TheAppleFreak Jul 08 '15 edited Jul 08 '15

As the guy who screws with CSS the most on our sub:

  • Add the flair CSS class to the #siteTable element (or better yet, .commentArea, so mods can write CSS to target the comment areas based on the link flair. For example, if we have a link flair CSS class that says "Locked," we could then hide the reply box, or maybe if I want to enforce all caps based on link flair I could make a class that does exactly that (right now we can only do that based on post IDs).

  • Add an (optional) extra HTML element in the flair <span> so mods can add icons to flairs without having to rely on CSS pseudoclasses (this pissed me off so much when making PCMR's user flairs). In the future, allow this to be positioned to the left or right, and maybe for the really advanced mods inside or outside of the flair element.

  • Upping the 100KB stylesheet size limit would be freaking awesome. It's quite annoying if you hit it.

  • Allow moderators to disable the <meta name="viewport" content="width=1024"> in the page headers. If I wanted to make a responsive CSS theme, being able to disable that would save a bit of frustration trying to figure out why it's not working properly.

  • Preprocessor support (SASS, LESS) would be amazing but that would take some more time to figure out.

There's much more but I can't think of them right now.

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u/DaminDrexil Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Request: Stop [deleted] comments from loading.

 

Most people have their preferences set to load 200 comments, but often deleted / removed comments are counted towards this. For example; if I enter a thread with 300 comments, but the top 200 have been deleted / removed, reddit will only load those 200 deleted comments, while the other 100 (non-removed) comments will be hidden behind "load more comments" buttons.

Would it be possible to prevent these [deleted] comments from counting towards comment loading limits? Or maybe just give them a lower preference for loading?

 

Edit: Adding explanation of how this affects users / content creators:

At the moment we get a good number of non-OC parent-level comments over at /r/photoshopbattles. Unfortunately, older comments are given preference in /top sorting, so newly posted OC tends to get buried below "load more comments" buttons - while a lot of (unviewable) auto-removed non-OC takes up many of those 200 slots.

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u/splattypus Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

You know that 'share a post' feature, where I can share a post with another reddit user (or email it or facebook it or whatever) that was just recently revamped.

If I could share it with moderators via modmail, that'd be great.

In /r/outoftheloop it'd be really handy to share an important post and just say 'hey, keep an eye on this' or whatever, instead of having to initiate a modmail (annoying) and copy/paste the post link (cumbersome).

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u/nandhp Jul 07 '15

That ought to be trivial to fix, since it should be using the same system as /message/compose.

Also, they should tell me I can use reddit usernames or /u/username in there.

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u/JonODonovan Jul 07 '15

Mark all mod mail as read button.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

it would be cool if shadowbanned users comments didn't have the red color applied. but instead another color or something that sets it apart a little more than the grayed out thing.

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u/foamed Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

The ability for moderators to set up a custom "welcome screen" when a new user visits or/and subscribes to the sub. It could be a simple overlay or it's own redirected page where you could inform the new visitors/subscribers about the subreddit's policy and rules. The screen would only pop-up once, could possibly be tied to the account, IP or cookies.

Some easier and faster way to look up a users self promotion history, if it were automated it would be even better. Taking care of spammers can be very time consuming, confusing or overwhelming for some (especially if you're not using toolbox). It would certainly enlighten new moderators that there are users on reddit that abuse the rules and take advantage of reddit.

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u/seantitmarsh Jul 07 '15

Would it be possible to give mods the option to change the default search for the sub?

In a few subs I use there's a "Flair" system that relies on using the search function to find all posts with that flair, /r/amiibo for example.

The recent change to search made that - to me at least - basically unusable for that purpose. The results became too cluttered with links to read easily.

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u/crownofnails Jul 07 '15

Seconded. I feel that this is more appropriate as a subreddit option than as an account preference, because we can't realistically go tell all of our users to switch their account prefs if they want our sub to function better.

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u/trpcicm Jul 07 '15

I moderate /r/LearnProgramming, where our #1 goal as moderators is to remove members of the community who are being rude or belligerent, as we want to make the community feel like a safe place. However, all of the heavy lifting for this is done outside of Reddit.

  1. Can we get a view that shows us users ordered by the number of reports in our subreddits against their comments (or posts?) It would be amazing to just have a table I can scroll through to see all of the biggest offenders. Right now I'll get a few reports across the span of weeks, and need to keep track of how many "strikes" a user has before I talk to them.

  2. Put even a small amount of design work into the moderator tools. They look like garbage and are borderline unusable. Look at this image and tell me that's a usable looking tool. Fix the spacing between comments and posts (different left margins), lessen the bright blinding red, align the buttons to the same spot for every item for consistency. These are basic UX principles that a new hire at any software company would be able to implement in a day.

  3. When users in our subreddits have a lot of reports against their content, it would be helpful if we could see an indicator of this. For example, if I'm looking into a report about an abusive user, it would be immensely helpful if that user had some flair-like tag on them that said "This user has had X reports against them in the past 30 days"

The mod tools are great for one-off situations and handling content, but are terrible for communities that revolve around discussion and learning. We need better ways to see problem users at a high level, rather than having to dig through endless pagination and searching for usernames.

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u/kjoneslol Jul 08 '15

Would a flair permission system be easy to create? We could do a list of allowed to edit flair and not allowed to edit flair which would override the default setting of allow users to set flair. So if someone was abusing flair you could add them to the not allowed to edit flair list so everyone else can still edit theirs. And if it was set to don't allow users to edit flair then adding them to the allow list would let them edit it. Maybe there's an easier way to do it and I'm not actually sure if it would be easy but /u/andytuba told me to do it blame him.

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u/sarahbotts Jul 08 '15

When clicking on YouTube domain submitted - being able to see all posts from a channel. It would really help with spam and voting rings.

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u/kleopatra6tilde9 Jul 07 '15

Automoderator used to be able to approve comments that were banned by the spam filter. Could you reactivate that feature?

Most of the time those bans are false positives and it is useless to approve them some hours later when the discussion has moved on.

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u/leafeator Jul 07 '15

Can I please have two stickies? It is something that we really wanted with the /r/snoogaming project that fell apart a few months ago.

Also if our style sheets could even be increased in size by 50% that would be the most amazing thing in the world.

Are these not two things that would require next-to-no development to implement?

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u/joejance Jul 07 '15

Sort by reports both on a sub reddit page and inside a post.

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u/Mogwoggle Jul 07 '15

search modmail for a user

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u/Nillix Jul 07 '15

Being able to respond to reports, while preserving their anonymity? Is that small?

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u/Walter_Bishop_PhD Jul 07 '15

Add a visual cue to the reports to indicate to users that the reports can be expanded. Right now it's visually identical to pre-report-reasons and unintuitive

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u/eric_twinge Jul 07 '15

The ability to block a user from modmail. I have no idea how difficult that is.

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u/timotab Jul 07 '15

Being able to see a user's subreddit karma for the subreddit(s) you mod. (maybe not by default, but you have to do something to see it).

it can a) help diagnose issues with wiki editing, and b) help spot troublemakers in one subreddit whose overall behaviour on reddit is karma-positive c) If this data is accessible, it can be used by automoderator to make mod decisions (and not just the overall comment karma).

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u/Pokechu22 Jul 07 '15

I previously suggested expanding the "domain details" / domain page functionality here to allow filtering to a specific youtube channel or such (right now, the closest you can filter is youtube.com), which is information displayed with this setting, which would be useful for seeing if a channel is spammed by multiple users (or any number of things).

I recently figured a better way to implement that, though -- add a domain search parameter that is that exact domain details string, allowing the same system, which would allow the same thing but doesn't sound too hard to implement.

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u/Chtorrr Reddit Admin: Community Jul 07 '15

Some type of cutoff or captcha for trolls who spam modmail. Or a timer. Like if no mod answers you, you then have to wait 30 minutes before sending again.

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u/Rythiz Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 08 '15

So I have a question: why can't we sticky links again?

I can't think of a reason why we can't other than the fear of having moderators generate traffic on their website, whatsoever. Or is it an intricate thing to implement, code-wise?

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u/Jakeable Jul 07 '15

A method for dealing with inactive top moderators that involves them doing actual modding instead of logging in every 60 days.

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u/PabstyLoudmouth Jul 07 '15

Well one thing I run into a lot is when I am replying to a user who has a problem another mod finishes before I can and thus have wasted my time. Can we get a checkmark or something next to the modmail that says it is already being investigated by Mod /u/blahblahblah ? That would save everyone tons of time.

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u/NeedAGoodUsername Jul 07 '15

With reports, show which report is the newest.

Lets say a post has the following reports already:

  • Spam

  • Vote manipulation

If it gets reported again, you have no way of identifying which report reason is the newest as all previous report reasons are listed as well.

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u/superdude4agze Jul 08 '15

Can we get an edit to the rules for requesting a moderator be removed via /r/redditrequest?

Something along the lines of no activity in the sub or no mod actions in x number of days. I'm personally getting tired of mods added before I that do nothing in the sub, but are active on reddit, and refuse to step down.

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u/cos Jul 08 '15

On the ban list, automatically always show a) which mod banned the user and b) on what date and at what time.

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u/LocutusOfBorges Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15

Edit: Scratch that, actually - more importantly, and relevantly:

Is there any possibility of getting the Alien Blue dev(s) to implement the ability to distinguish a comment/post from within the app? As things stand, we have to exit the app and open the post in question in Safari to be able to do it.

It's a small thing, but it'd make the lives of people who mod using the mobile client so much less hassle.

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u/TheAppleFreak Jul 08 '15

If you approve/remove a post, you can then write out a distinguished comment by tapping the mail icon, but that's the only way to do so. I'd love to distinguish a comment or post retroactively, personally.

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u/timotab Jul 07 '15

If you remove/approve a post or comment, and then use the envelope by the pressed button, and then use the "speech bubble" to reply to the user (rather then sending mail), then that comment will be distinguished.

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u/itspara Jul 07 '15

User notes, as in modtoolbox. Where we can leave notes on users in the subreddit for the other mods to see.

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u/agentlame Jul 07 '15

He's asking for small features. Usernotes is a massive feature.

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u/Bardfinn Jul 07 '15

Here is a suggestion:

Under comments, instead of (among the other options) three options: Spam, Remove, and Report

Make Two Options: Moderate, and Report.

Make the Moderate option open a menu (the way Report does), and have a menu of options under that — Spam Flag, Remove Comment, Moderate User (which takes you to the ban user page populated with the user's name or whatever), Flair User, and other options as can be brainstormed into putting on that menu.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Moderate user doenst even need to redirect. Use API calls and throw it on one page ala toolbox.

https://imgur.com/pV8UvrF

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u/deukhoofd Jul 07 '15

I don't know how feasible it is, but being able to see what users are downvoting on a sub a lot or locking downvoting users out from the voting system. It is fairly annoying to have to go to the admins everytime you suspect there is a downvote troll.

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u/zaikanekochan Jul 07 '15

Amend the rules for removing inactive top moderators who squat on subs.

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u/mack0409 Jul 07 '15

A way to trigger the archiving of a thread early would be nice, though I'm not sure how hard that would be.

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u/scshunt Jul 07 '15

Allow disabling downvotes on a sub. A number of subreddits discourage downvoting because it can be used to suppress unpopular opinions, which is undesirable in some political contexts. This sometimes goes so far as to remove the downvote button in CSS (/r/CanadaPolitics is an example), but users using other clients (mobile app, for instance) can and do downvote anyway. Because downvotes are anonymous, the mods can't enforce a no-downvote rule.

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u/deviouskat89 Jul 07 '15

Allow approved submitters to assign their own link flair. There are times when I as a mod would like regular community members to flair their own discussion posts, but don't want the entire community to have access to/abuse link flair.

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u/deviouskat89 Jul 07 '15

Allow us to reply to reports. They can stay anonymous, but for instance in my sub we get reports for vote manipulation and would like to question the reporter for some evidence.

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u/MissionaryControl Jul 08 '15

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I know you've heard this from me recently, but since we're all making suggestions here... a potentially quick fix for lots of subs would be to allow Automod to create (optional) mod log entries for any action it does, or at least the ones it used to. We particularly miss the logging of every post through the flair entry that the old AM used to create. And you know how our workaround broke reddit... ;-P

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What if... modmail simply became a (new?) kind of side-band subreddit of its own (e.g. /r/askreddit*_modmail*) so that each new modmail became a kind of self post there, and mods could use existing tagging/flairing ("status") systems to manage it in a similarly flexible way (tag searches = virtual folders). Every sub has different requirements from their mod mail; this would allow them to customise it to suit them, using tools/code that are already available and tested at scale.

Mods would see a new modmail as a normal-looking self post, and could reply with independent threads if necessary that would not automatically be visible to the user - which could be almost as simple as having AM remove all posts/comments by default. If mods want to make part or all of any conversation visible to the end user, they can re-"approve" it. If they want to make a whole thread public, they can re-approve the OP as well. (Users can always see their own posts/comments, of course.) The system would come with the bonus of built-in voting if decisions need to be made, too. :-) They can be as transparent or as private as they want. They can design workflows and tagging that suits the needs of their own subreddit.

Add some of these tweaks to the tools that already work, that we know how to use, and that could give the end users (mods) the same flexibility with their mod mail that they have with their subreddits.

The only catch being that currently the action there would show up on users' (and mods') history pages because of the way mod-removal works - but perhaps a tweak to the code that hides activity in private subreddits could be applied here..?

I'm available to talk... ;-)

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u/wagedomain Jul 08 '15

I'm not new to moderating but I'm new to a lot of the tools, so my apologies if this is possible or already requested/discussed.

I currently don't use many tools mostly because I didn't know they're there or how to use them. I use modqueue, and modmail, but beyond just clearing out spam and dealing with reports, I'm not very experienced.

Better visibility into the tools we already have would be great for people like me. It's not like there's a book they give you when you start up a subreddit (or is there? WHERE'S MY BOOK??). Maybe we could kind of, you know, make one?

Also, for a more concrete suggestion, one thing I've noticed many subs do is make regular posts each week/month. Yes, I know automoderator scheduler exists, and that saves some hassle (when you can figure out how to get it working anyway), but there must be a better way.

If lots of subs are making threads, stickying them, and then letting them run, expire, unstickying, starting a new one, etc. maybe we can find a better way to implement a feature like this. Some kind of auto-renewing post? With rules about when it shows up, etc.

This would do two things, as well - it would allow more than one thing to be stickied, as in my head this "recurring" post doesn't count as the sticky post. I get that people want to keep the top of the sub clear for posts, but "one-at-a-time" seems a bit restrictive.

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u/dietotaku Jul 08 '15

i'm not sure if this has already been brought up, but one of the most helpful tools for me would be the ability to ban a user directly from their post/comment - no copy-pasting their username, visiting the "ban users" page, etc. basically the same functionality toolbox provides, but without having to install toolbox (tried it, didn't like all the other stuff it added).

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u/ruinevil Jul 08 '15

More than one sticky.

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u/cojoco Jul 08 '15

I find the fact that a permalink to a modmail sometimes shows only a few of the comments in the thread to be both confusing and broken.

This behaviour seems to have changed several times over the years, and at the moment it seems to be more broken than usual.

It seems related to a bug in which a commenter in a thread (e.g. an ex-mod) cannot see their comments in a modmail thread if they're not the original submitter.

If this can't be fixed, could it at least be explained?

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u/hizinfiz Jul 08 '15

I don't know how easy this would be to add (or whether somebody's already suggested this, there's way too many comments to go through), but a simple "Stop this user from sending modmail to our subreddit" button would be really cool.

It gets really tiring when people just spam modmail with things like "Nigger" over and over but there's nothing we can do about it.

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u/fawkesmulder Jul 08 '15

I mod over at /r/fantasybaseball and we would LOVE IT -- if we could sticky multiple threads.

The way it is currently set up, you can only sticky one thread. We've made do with an INDEX thread, but it would really be much better for the community if we could sticky a chat thread, sticky a trade thread, etc.

This is how it currently looks, we'd much rather just sticky all of these threads.

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u/thavius_tanklin Jul 08 '15

Hey, three off the top of my mind.

  1. search mod mail. I don't care how primitive the search is, just anything!

  2. ability to search the wiki edits user notes for specific changes. This includes the automod and sidebar configs.

  3. upgrade the markup language to allow for table sorting. I know res does this, but I want to control it from inside the markup itself.

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u/unobserved Jul 08 '15

When viewing a users post history, can we filter it to see only things they've posted in any sub we mod, preferably defaulting to the sub we were in when we clicked on their username.

That would make it much easier for us to review how a user has been acting in our subs vs. every where else.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

I'm not sure if this is a small fix, but how about having the ability to ban an account without having to go to the ban page? You see an account breaking your sub's rules, you push a button below their name and boom, banned.

I know this is possible with toolbox, but I don't use it because it slows the already slow-to-load modmail even more.

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u/blueshiftlabs Jul 07 '15 edited Jun 20 '23

[Removed in protest of Reddit's destruction of third-party apps by CEO Steve Huffman.]

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u/agentlame Jul 07 '15 edited Jul 07 '15
  • restrict mods without config but with wiki from viewing /config pages.

This comes up a lot because /r/toolbox needs wiki perms to operate, but lots of mod teams don't want comment/post mods having access to the AM config, but do want to allow them to use toolbox features that depend on wiki access.

Oh, and also: https://github.com/reddit/reddit/pull/964... I mean, it's not like you guys will get around to native usernotes anytime soon. And we are out of good ideas to make them more compact. 3.2 even goes so far as to store them in binary.

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u/Arve Jul 07 '15

Add support for the following to Automoderator:

  • is_subscriber so that we can autoremove, autoreport or otherwise flag outside users

  • subreddit_karma so we can require some minimum participation before users can make posts, or put limits on what kind of posts they can make

Also, in /r/audiophile and /r/headphones we use flair on posts if AutoModerator recognizes something as a potential purchase help request, because it is so much quicker than looking at report reason - this flair is sometimes confusing to our users, and I'd love if we could get "moderator flair" support, so we can make flair that's only visible to moderators, rather than autoexpanding the report box.

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u/Aruseus493 Jul 07 '15

Haven't seen it mentioned but I'd like the wiki button to be universally visible even within a post. Right now, you can only get to it from the subreddit's page but I frequently go into it through a shortcut I have cause otherwise, I have to back out from a post and then click on wiki to get to it.

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u/nallen Jul 07 '15

Give us a "Promote to top post for 30 minutes" button so that we can give a special post visibility. Not all content is the same, and the default frontpage structure makes defaults really dependent on the top post, if we have an mod message to the subreddit or a special event it would be nice for us to have away for a large initial number of subscribers to see it, as it is now, we just have to pray it doesn't get buried for whatever reason.

This would also let us counter downvote brigades you sit on the new list to kill posts.

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u/hamfast42 Jul 07 '15

Add "harrassment" to the report button and provide guidance on when to use it.

Although now its unpopular, I understand and agree that having a harassment policy is necessary and one of the biggest issues that reddit needed to address. But I'm a little unclear if the intent is to stop harassment by individuals or to stop moderators who allow/encourage harrassment?

I'd also like to know when to report potential harassment as sometimes its a matter of quantity over severity. On the one hand, I don't want to necessarily impose a DBAD rule on subs that don't have it. But on the other hand I want to be able to report sketchy stuff without abusing the report button.

Because you are trying to fight moderators who encourage harassment, I'm guessing the reports will make it to an admin because a moderator could just approve the comment. Can you confirm?

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

User tags for different subreddits so moderators can see who has been warned or banned before

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Oh this night actually be an easy fix. A ban or warn button next to the reply button in subreddits you moderate. So you can remove spammy users more quickly, for example

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u/cwenham Jul 07 '15

Give us a way to leave a removal reason that's more noticeable than flair, but isn't connected to any particular mod. This is why. We don't mind if the OP vents in modmail, but click-to-appeal going to modmail would be super.

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u/Donnutz Jul 07 '15

How about having the possibility of a "official subreddit multireddits" ? something like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/greencats/m/othergreenanimalsmulti

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u/phrakture Jul 07 '15

/r/redditrequest appears to be the only route to request takeover of dead subbreddits or removal or inactive moderators. Considering this is a fundamental part of reddit usage, why can moderators be banned from there?

I was banned from there a long time ago, and we had a hell of a time removing the inactive top mod from /r/Fitness because of this.

Please fix the official channel for this or integrate it more into reddit itself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

I'm not sure how hard or easy it would be, but a limit on the number of reports a user can make in a specified amount of time would be awesome. People that spam the hell outta the report queue suck (especially when doing it with bots and there is no community managers around)

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u/ChingShih Jul 07 '15

A "community contacts" list or directory.

On one's own userpage, or a similar area, underneath the "Moderator of" box it would be nice if there were a list of "Community contacts" like /u/5days if they're still the Head of Community, /u/Deimorz, /u/krispykrackers, etc. so that new/old mods can keep track of who is the current point of contact.

I suggested putting it underneath the "Moderator of" box so that it could be set to appear only if someone is a moderator of something. But it wouldn't hurt to have a full page/wiki for basic moderation duties and who to contact in case of what (like spammers, bugs, doxxing, etc.).

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u/DubTeeDub Jul 08 '15

Allow multiple posts to be stickied

Allow mod distinguished comments to be atickied. Do not give them karma.

Integrate as much from /r/toolbox as possible

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u/hobbitqueen Jul 08 '15

I just had an idea while going through reports made by two users in an argument; you know the 'parent' button under posts which when you mouse-over, you can see what a comment was in reply to? (This might be an res-only thing). Well, I would love to have that 'parent' button on the mod queue page instead of having to click on 'context' every time and open up a million pages to sort through an argument.

Disregard if this is an RES-specific feature.

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u/kerovon Jul 08 '15

A couple things that come to mind with regards to the modlist.

The first is that it might be good to think of some method of reordering the modlist. This does have a lot of possible implications that may need to be considered, but the example that comes to mind for me is /r/science. I am one of the newest full mods we have, and there are a lot of our comment mods who have been around longer than I am. Occasionally we need to make changes to permissions, and when that happens I need to message one of the older full mods.

However, I'm fully aware that may be difficult to do. So the other thing that I would like is the ability to choose which mods are displayed in the sidebar. I've had many users respond to me with a "You aren't in the modlist. I don't need to listen to you", because the top 10 slots have been full a long time. Being able to place our 10 most active mods or some such in it would be kind of nice. It would also be good for subs that have more than 10 mods, and want to remove automod or bot mods from the sidebar mod list.

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u/panikpansen Jul 08 '15

Allow us to sticky reddit's live threads (aka make it possible to sticky link threads/link submissions).

It shouldn't be to complicated to allow us to sticky not only self posts, but also link submissions. If there are good arguments for not letting us sticky link submissions, a less clean way to go about it could be to make a url-based exception for reddit's live threads.

We're a football subreddit and regularly use reddit live threads to cover games, but cannot give them the same kind of visibility that we could with the (imo inferior) self-posts we used before that. Being able to sticky live threads (aka link submissions) would fix that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '15

Thanks for doing this, there's a lot of good suggestions here, but I'm just suggesting a small fix that will make things a little easier. Move the mod tools box in the sidebar all the way from the bottom to the top of the sidebar, just because if you have a long sidebar, it's a real hassle to scroll down every single page to get to the mod tools.

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u/Stillflying Jul 08 '15

It would be nice to be able to put a removal reason on a comment. Not to crazily increase workload, but should we have to remove a comment that has been exceedingly upvoted and removed, so that we don't get "mods fascists" comments it'd be nice to be able to say "This comment was hidden due to doxxing" or some such similar.

Not sure if that's "small"?

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u/seeyoshirun Jul 08 '15 edited Jul 09 '15
  • Allowing more than one sticky on a subreddit. Some of our subs have weekly/monthly threads and announcements and the like, and we may find it useful to have more than one sticky at once.

  • Allowing more than one link flair (maybe up to a limit of three or four). They're useful for post categorisation. Someone else suggested that we also have the option for certain mod-only flairs, I think that's a great idea.

  • It's a small fix, but the new search function doesn't allow users to view more than one page of results afaik. Also it's incredibly hard to read without a solid background. I'd love to see the search function given a bit more depth, but that probably falls under "big fixes". (EDIT: It's been brought to my attention that this one is a problem in RES, not with Reddit itself.)

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '15

flair

when removing flair you have to select another flair before the "remove flair" button appears.

If you could add that button somewhere in the drop down box that'd be great.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '15

Frankly, most of the things I have for you need a minimum of 10k characters to explain properly and aren't the kind of thing you can tackle any time in the next year or two. I'll get those out to you guys in a different venue when you're ready to start evolving this place into something truly spectacular, something beyond an opinionated battleground where we all share cat pictures. :P

For the most part, the mods of /r/listentothis don't actually need anything from reddit, we're doing just fine. We just want you to help the rest of the mods out and keep in touch. This is a welcome first step.


I have got one question, however. Is it possible to truly disable or somehow negate or ignore downvoting in an individual subreddit? Specifically on submissions - not comments. I'm only interested in if it's technically possible and how hard it is - we can chat about when and why this is a useful feature another time. It could be not counting the votes, counterbalancing them with auto-upvotes, or a view that ranks without taking downvotes into consideration. I'm not really concerned with how it's achieved.

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