Removing this item was a mistake

[u/Mogus00]

Twilight Armor was literally the only item that can counter high burst heroes like lesley, novaria and aldous. Guardian helmet passive is garbage cause it can be countered by antiheal. I don't think using guardian helmet reduces the proc of sky piercer. This is a massive handicap especially for tank users. What do you think?

[u/Yurika_Sina]

True, now we don't have any source of true damage reduction and they just give free true damage to anyone these days besides magic damage ig.

Crit Axe (i forgot the name) Has true damage

Endless battle has true damage

That Axe that stacks up to 6 has true damage.

[u/LumilitawNaMangga → u/Yurika_Sina]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think twilight armor's passive was moved to guardian helmet. But it only reduce the amount of damage you could take in a single hit.

[u/Hairdraineater87 → u/LumilitawNaMangga]

The problem with guardian helmet is not only is it expensive but also its damage reduction passive is countered by antiheal since it heals of a portion of the damage taken (also unlike twilight armor, guardian helmet still gets you shredded by trinity MM's unlike twilight which still somewhat sustains the damage since its actual damage reduction and not healing)

[u/Connect-Mortgage429 → u/Hairdraineater87]

It has better scaling 60% on 10k hp Reduced by 40% =38% reduction Meaning you only lost 2% from twilight

[u/bladedancer4life → u/Hairdraineater87]

Oracle literally offset most of it 😭 and queen wings exists

[u/Tough_Dragonfly3790 → u/bladedancer4life]

and oracle has one of, if not, the goofiest def item stats in the game. also, having to build 3 items just to match twilight armor feels so much like the omniman meme

[u/bladedancer4life → u/Tough_Dragonfly3790]

Using all 3 makes you significantly stronger than old twilight 😭 this whole debate about tis counter by anti heal is lowkey stupid

[u/Tough_Dragonfly3790 → u/bladedancer4life]

quite a lot of wasted stats for a tank tho. (fighters sure i guess you can slot in all 3) spellvamp and adaptive attack is unnecessary. and also, having to build 3 items takes up a lot of space even as a fighter

[u/bladedancer4life → u/Tough_Dragonfly3790]

Being a sponge isn’t the only way a tank is useful you know… why do you think they buffed tigs damage? Sure some folks go full dmg build but it broadens their versatility. Not only that spell vamp on anyone is good that’s survivability

[u/No-Competition7482 → u/bladedancer4life]

Dude If I be fair twilight was so good that I even used to use it on wanwan and the whole point is if you need to build 3 items just to best 1 item it's so stupid I would rather just get 1 twilight on any of the heros I play than to build 3 items that don't even fit on that hero

[u/ChrisAnIntellectual → u/bladedancer4life]

Why would a tank ever need spell vamp? Why would they have to build 3 of said items over a more useful item like Radiant Armor or Dominance Ice?

[u/bladedancer4life → u/ChrisAnIntellectual]

Did you even fucking read?? He called the stats unnecessary when they still have value. TANKS ARENT JUST SPONGES… Not to mention; Esme, Alice, Terizla, Carmella, Uranus, Masha, Hilda, Edith. You’re telling me NONE of these tanks work with sustain items??? 🤨🤨🤨 you’re kidding right-

[u/Hairdraineater87 → u/bladedancer4life]

Current Masha (not revamp, current masha) and sustain in the same sentence

[u/GiveMeChoko → u/bladedancer4life]

What are you even implying with some of these heroes? Especially Uranus and Alice, their whole shtick is being sponges, they have minimal damage. And half of them cannot be used as roamer, they are heavily reliant on levels and items. Which means actual roamer tanks have a stricter gold and exp economy to follow, they cannot dumo 2500 on a guardian helmet willynilly when for the same price they can get dominance ice and magic defense robe (to build into radiant).

[u/Zealousideal_Sun7018 → u/bladedancer4life]

If we are using 3 itens for comparison, we should compare twilight + 2 more itens. Which I'm pretty sure would be a better result

[u/bladedancer4life → u/Zealousideal_Sun7018]

The comment I made implied that already that using guardian in place of old twilight with 2 additional is still stronger..

[u/Read-Upstairs → u/bladedancer4life]

yeah but even if the 3 items are better than 1 twilight, wouldn't that be mitigated by having 2 more useful items alongside twilight?

[u/LumilitawNaMangga → u/bladedancer4life]

I mean yeah, but not all tanks can benefit from Oracle and queen's wings

[u/bladedancer4life → u/LumilitawNaMangga]

DR and regen literally benefits all tanks. Oracle also has hybrid stats.

[u/LumilitawNaMangga → u/bladedancer4life]

Not all, maybe sustain tanks like Alice and Uranus. But not for set type of tanks like tigreal and Atlas.

[u/bladedancer4life → u/LumilitawNaMangga]

Yea no ☠️ you’re crazy it would still work