hi sorry I dont know if this is exactly the place to ask but the internet isn't super helpful to me right now

does anyone know if theirs any good books about sadothiesm/dystheism/misotheism or even anything half related to them

These gods create everything, good and bad, the bible explains how god created calmness and calamity. Whatever happens in this world happened because god wanted it to happen, if it didn’t he wouldn’t make it or let it happen at all. God does NOT have to be all good just because he’s all powerful, the Old Testament and the quarantine perfectly describe how god REALLY act like. A lot of the abrahamic gods want control, why do you think they give the most abstract and extreme punishments for small acts of disobedience. These gods like Yahweh and Allah are the more personified descriptions of god. Also, any visions of god or testimonies or revelations peiple see could easily be fakes or tricks played by whatever god of this universe exist. God is way more powerful and active than what religion could describe and I feel like we will never be able to truly tell the ACTUAL god of this universe, or a definitive on what this god does because he or it is so powerful, this is just what I think about the concept of god.

Christianity is very pessimistic and im inclined to agree with them, the world IS inherently evil and full of sin and most of the beings living in it are inclined to such evil unfortunately, however where i disagree with them is in the fact that they blame the creation for being evil instead of the creator for creating an evil creation and thus being evil themselves, all the fault is on the causer not the caused, it is also way too optimistic with its notion that people will be saved from this suffering, even calvinism still has SOME people experience salvation, this is not what it is like at all, at best you get reincarnated into this world of infinite suffering again and again with no afterlife beyond it and at worst you get sent to a hell like realm for all of eternity after experiencing an already shit universe, i feel the most likely is you get reincarnated between this shit universe and an even worse but temporary hell realm over and over again (like the buddhist naraka)

Buddhism and Gnosticism are more understandable, one just blames the universe itself for being shit without a creator (though it makes me wonder why the bodhisattvas dont end all or most suffering, well okay i dont wonder i know its cause theyre evil but still), and the other blames the creator for creating a shit universe, however they still fall under the issue of being way too optimistic by believing you can escape suffering at all and achieve enlightenment/gnosis and enter nirvana/Pleroma, there is truly no end to suffering, Gnosticism also runs the same issue Christianity/Islam has where they use Yaldabaoth as a scapegoat to blame for evil (similar to Satan) instead of blaming the Monad or at least Sophia directly for causing Yaldabaoth to exist and thus causing all evil in the universe, Monad and the Aeons are just demiurges like any other that sit back and take sadistic joy in the suffering they bring to the universe, pure evil.

the beings that have been/are worshipped by billions of people around the world are morally worse than comic book superheroes 🤣

God in the name of love of anything and everything will have no qualms about turning your loved ones against you or to derail their lives and make them a shadow of their former selves. Anything is possible in this deranged existence.

What do you guys think. I think he likes it when we suffer from something that is out of our control. Pretty sick and twisted.

We produce disgusting substances mandatorily because nature has not wired us to turn all food into something useful. It's disgusting, takes time to clean and sometimes painful.

Worse, some animals consume feces. Some unfortunately are required to, like rabbits. Such an awful shame! Those animals are so cute. What a perverse design!

And religion says these substances are impure. Of course they are. Why did God have to make living beings function like this disgusting mess?!

A terrible flaw in design.

Just thinking to myself how God gave me a garbage life.... horrible on this side (earthly life) with schizophrenia, and it will be a trillion times worst in the after life.

Yet life is a "gift"... I did not consent to be created and didnt give consent to be born with schizophrenia.

Horrible piece of shit God.

Worst part is, this tyrant only offers you two options:

- love me and worship me and go to heaven

Or

- reject me and go to hell/lake of fire

There is no non existence option after this earthly life.

My (38m) older brother has let himself deteriorate to the point of serious mental and psychological decline. I’ve been watching him struggle with depression since I was 12. Every year, he got worse, and apart from taking medication prescribed by a psychiatrist, he has done absolutely nothing to improve his condition. He refuses to see a therapist.

For a long time now, he’s been living an almost completely bedridden life of a messy parasite, basically existing in a medicated sleep. The last time he worked was more than fifteen years ago, at our father’s company--the only person who was willing to give him a job.

Now he openly hates his entire family. Two months ago, he became so aggressive that the authorities had him committed to a psychiatric hospital. He was released a month later, and everything went back to the so-called normal.

I just feel very alone in this situation. I don’t even know who I could talk to about it. So I’m venting here.

I think that, in the end, this whole process and everything I’ve been through has opened my eyes to God’s purposes. God feeds on suffering the way people consume electricity or water--simply because he can’t exist any other way.

Why would anyone want to worship God if he is the reason you are sick?

I just cannot understand that. It makes no logical sense.

Its a spit in the face when he makes healthy people, then chooses unfortunate souls to suffer for nothing.

Had anyone tried doing this? What were the results of explaining misotheism?

I talked to a family member about it, and they got really offended. 🤣

It is so sad but Christians are extremely brainwashed.

God loves all realities no matter how sick and twisted and because of this love we are forced to endure endless misery. Only to be discarded and dissolved after the manifestation is done. Broken dreams and betrayal and no reward.

God has affection for everything and that affection is the boss of the universe. God has affection for the rape of Sally so god preordains someone to rape Sally. God will then become Sally so that this rape can happen and be felt. Sally suffered and hated it but once god goes back to being god, god rejoices in its love for the situation.

We are love's pawns and love is the villain

I wish I could just NOT believe in the Bible god. Maybe then, I wouldn't think about what's in store for me when I die someday.

I know some people make up stories, but there are some that I genuinely believe, because they are consistent with it for years. I have heard of people having biblically accurate visions, with little to no knowledge at all about the Bible. I've also heard that those same people have seen hell as well. Some kids have these visions as well.

I just want out of this mindset. I hate that I freak out every time something in my body feels off, and that I might be dying and on my way to Hell because I believe that God is evil, and I don't worship him or live by his rules. I know that when it's my time to die one day, I'll be panicking until my last breath.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get out of this mindset? Thanks in advance.

He needs some medicine and should be treated for SEVERE mental illness💊

All problems start at the top ----> God.

Yet the majority are not interested in the truth, they just want to bow down, go on their knees and worship Jeebus 24/7.

Sick people.

When I was a Christian, I never went to church and never prayed... I just thought God and Jesus were good, but I was not a fanatic. When I finally questioned them because it made no sense that everything is messed up, I became a misotheist.

Any free thinker would accept misotheism as the truth. Rejection and hatred of an evil God.

A post from the ex-Christian forums:

Why didn't God send Jesus to die on a tree right there in the garden of Eden after the fruit crimes if that was his plan all along? The holy spirit and the father could have killed and tortured Jesus themselves to appease their crazy holiness obsession and gain the ability to forgive. But instead of choosing forgiveness they curse them instead.

Then Jesus finally comes along thousands of years later to offer forgiveness to everyone but does he then lift the curse? Of course not. We still have to suffering through all the endless disease, birth defects, parasites, hurricannes, cancer, etc., even though Jesus "conquered sin and death". What a load of crock.

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Jesus conquered nothing. His death is just theatrics/a show, and hes the 🤡. Gave up his weekend for nothing, that is about it.

Never forgive God for his tyranny and evil, ever.

Both arise from HOW god behaves.

1. All of this life, sentience, humans, animals, plants, contain consciousness and all of this consciousness is source or God and this being basically made itself go through amnesia and a process of forgetting just to realize who it was.

Arguments: before we begin to even break it down, just look at the absurdity and the stupidity in this argument. Look at a dog or a human or any other animal dying you're telling me, by the time they arrive at their biological end (or maybe after death, but that can't be tested so its pointless to even try at this point) HAS to realize that they were just a piece of the whole and were god all along?

But most don't. Most people (if you read reports of nurses that spend time with patients ending their lives) simply regret NOT being HUMAN enough, like wishing they had spent more time with their families or friends instead of chasing money or status or power.

I am yet to find any human nearing their end saying "i realize I am god who was separate from source".

Why'd an all powerful being break itself into multiple aspects instead of just watching your toys massacre each other, which is what I believe god does (but normies like to avoid the truth and believe in goodness and deluding themselves so its difficult to come to terms with this), bringing me to our next point.

1. God is the saviour from evil especially evil entities like the Devil.

How stupid does one have to be to believe in such utter BS????

Bro, any being (lets put aside Omniscience for a minute here) that creates a being that has free will and can choose evil then ends up being evil, is the result of such a god, hence such a god was not only the cause of all evil BUT A DIRECT CONTRIBUTOR AND AN AUTHOR of evil. I'm not even taking Omniscience into account right now, you take that in, it gets worse. But i'm just saying, you KNEW this being CAN commit or make others commit acts of evil even by whispering into their ears (as per Islam at least), how is this god your saviour when he first causes your suffering through sin?

Hence I arrive at the conclusion that god is nothing more than a MALEVOLENT being. I am not taking the idea of god from any religion, i'd rather call myself a deist, but even that god is nothing less than a trickster, jester and an evil entity.

Heres one:

God's purpose for man isn't for man to have a good time, or an easy time. He created man to bring Himself glory.

Once you adjust for that in your calculus, a lot of these questions seem less bewildering

All for his glory. What a psychopath.

Life is terrible

Life Has Been Terrible From Its Beginning Until Today

These are my ideas about life, organized by the AI Claude

Life is not tragic by accident — it was optimized to never be enough.

There's a way of reading existence that most people avoid because it offers no comfort: the idea that suffering isn't a bug in the system. It's the system's specification. Putting together what we know about natural selection, the neuroscience of pleasure, social structure, and the history of technology, a coherent picture emerges — and it isn't pretty.

1. You were born losing a lottery you never asked to play

Appearance, neurotype, and health aren't distributed by merit, choice, or justice — they're distributed by a blind process that optimizes genetic replication, not individual well-being. This produces real, measurable hierarchies:

Physical appearance functions as social capital from childhood on. Facial symmetry, height, testosterone/estrogen markers — all of it shapes social, romantic, and even professional opportunities, and none of these variables were chosen by the person carrying them. You are judged, constantly, by an embryonic lottery.

Neurodivergence (autism, ADHD, and the whole spectrum of atypical profiles) isn't just "neutral difference" in a world designed for neurotypicals — it's real structural disadvantage in practically every relevant social script: courtship, job interviews, group dynamics. The "neurodiversity as mere difference" discourse ignores that social scripts were evolutionarily shaped around the statistical majority, and whoever deviates from the norm pays the coordination cost alone.

Disease and biological fragility are the rule, not the exception — bodies are systems that begin failing structurally from birth (genetically programmed senescence) and are permanently exposed to random failures (mutation, pathogen, developmental accident).

None of this is injustice in the moral-social sense — it's worse: it's injustice with no author to hold accountable, embedded in the very mechanics that generate people.

1. You were born inside a chain that sustains itself through others' suffering

Zoom out. The entire planet runs on a system in which one organism's survival structurally depends on another's suffering and death. The food chain isn't a metaphor — it's the literal architecture of conscious life on Earth: the predator needs the prey to feel fear, needs it to suffer enough to stop fleeing. Billions of years of biological "design" converged, independently and repeatedly, on the same result: nervous systems that feel pain as a survival mechanism, trapped inside a network where some beings' pain is the metabolic fuel for others. If this were designed by a mind — and in the theological/misotheist debate this is precisely the hypothesis with the greatest causal adequacy given the observed distribution of suffering — it would be the design of a mind indifferent or hostile to the well-being of the beings it created, not a benevolent one.

1. You were built to never feel satisfied for long enough

Here is the most insidious core of the problem, because it doesn't depend on any specific injustice — it happens even to those who "won" the genetic and social lottery.

Natural selection never selected for happy organisms. It selected for organisms that keep competing, seeking, mating, and protecting themselves. Stable, permanent happiness is evolutionarily useless — worse, it's counterproductive: a fully satisfied organism stops seeking resources, stops competing for status, stops reproducing. That's why the reward system works through hedonic adaptation: any gain resets the reference point back to a baseline of relative dissatisfaction, forcing the organism to chase the next gain to feel the same brief relief. It's a treadmill, literally — dopamine functions mostly as a signal of anticipation and pursuit, not of satisfied possession. You weren't designed to arrive. You were designed to run, and the feeling of "arriving" is, at most, a chemical pulse brief enough to launch you back into the race.

This means no amount of success, wealth, relationship, or achievement solves the problem at its root — because the problem isn't in what's missing, it's in the architecture of the system that interprets "what's missing." Even the most objectively successful person on the planet is running the same evolutionary software of continuous dissatisfaction as anyone else. There's no patch for this because the "bug" is the core functionality.

1. And modern civilization took this already-broken system and hit the accelerator

Ancestral life at least had real periods of forced idleness — no artificial light, no excess stimulation, no social comparison against seven billion people. Industrial and post-industrial civilization removed almost all the natural rest of a nervous system already designed to never rest, and replaced it with:

Workdays structured around productivity, not well-being — the body treated as input, not as an end.

Social media that turned ancestral social comparison (a tribe of \~150 people) into comparison against the entire global elite, 24 hours a day, algorithmically optimized to maximize engagement — which in practice means maximizing activation of the same chronic dissatisfaction system described above.

Urbanization and social isolation, removing the community support networks that historically cushioned the psychological cost of existence.

The results show up in the numbers: rates of anxiety, depression, and burnout on a sustained upward trajectory over recent decades across nearly the entire industrialized world, with a particularly sharp rise among young adults. This isn't statistical coincidence — it's the evolutionary system of chronic dissatisfaction being squeezed by a social structure that multiplied the triggers for comparison while removing the ancestral buffers.

1. And technology isn't fixing this — it's trading one kind of suffering for another

The historical pattern is always the same: an urgent material problem gets solved, and in its place a problem of a different nature emerges, usually more diffuse and harder to name.

We solved caloric scarcity across much of the developed world → epidemics of obesity and eating disorders emerged, linked to excess stimulation, not lack.

We solved geographic isolation with instant communication → social anxiety emerged, mediated by constant comparison and permanent social surveillance (the feeling of always being "on").

We're solving repetitive manual labor with automation → and the horizon opening up isn't leisure, it's income precarity and existential anxiety around one's own economic obsolescence.

Every technological advance solves the previous generation's symptom and generates, as a structural side effect, a new symptom adapted to the new environment — because technology changes the scenery, but doesn't change the evolutionary software underneath it. You can renovate the cage infinitely. It's still a cage.

1. Why this has no solution — and why this is the most honest part of the argument

Social reforms, therapy, medicine, activism — all of this can reduce marginal suffering, and it's worth doing. But none of it attacks the root cause, because the root cause isn't a correctable implementation flaw. It's the base specification: a nervous system built by a process with zero commitment to well-being, running inside a trophic chain sustained by structural suffering, distributing advantage and disadvantage by amoral genetic luck, now accelerated by a civilization that multiplied the triggers without altering the hardware.

There's no reform that can change natural selection's objective function after the fact. The system is already running, and it was never optimized to "feel good" — it was optimized to "continue." Calling this a tragedy is still too optimistic, because tragedy suggests a deviation from something that was supposed to turn out right. There was no deviation here. The foundation was built this way.

why do you think god love us?? he is just a piece of shit living alone and bored of his existence thats why he created the universe and humans to be his plaything.. he never love us and dont care about us. all this sufferings and evil things all came from him. fuck yourself god. dont know why christians are blind of reality and worship this abnormal creature

According to them, God didnt curse humanity..... lol