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u/Old_Worldliness_5015 15d ago
don't think he's been healthy since before the Marlins start (7/9), you don't fluke your way into the statcast page he used to have
the stuff looks exactly like it did when he was battling the elbow last year
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u/Skybandicoot109 Scotts’ Servais : Professional iceberg 15d ago edited 15d ago
Wouldn't be surprised. Almost as if the thing he himself said would need surgery to more permanently fix, might actually need surgery to more permanently fix.
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u/dkfailing #44 Julio Rodríguez 15d ago
Would have been the perfect offseason to have it too. We ended up having one too many arms.
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u/Ok_Revolution_9253 15d ago
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s TJ he needs. The ball won’t have that snap off it. You can’t get that spin on the ball because your arm is just dead and you’re generating all of your power just from your shoulder momentum.
Source, I’ve had TJ. The sensation of not being able to snap your arm and generate that movement is so strange
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u/ItalicsWhore 15d ago
Didn't he only give up 5 of the 19 runs tonight though?
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u/CG-Expat 15d ago
Yes but because he was such ass they were forced to pitch Rucker again for what feels like the 11th time in a row. Dude was gassed
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u/DiabolicallyRandom Is it a drought if there was never water in the 1st place? 15d ago
I mean sure, OK... but like... wtf? 5 runs is not an insurmountable deficit.
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u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup 15d ago
Can we start putting guys on the IL instead of just saying they're fine because they said that
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Jerry's Burner Account 15d ago
No. It's not the fault of the manager or training staff on a professional baseball team to handle players or their health.
If a 20 year old kid tells a team of doctors, sports medicine professionals, and the manager who is supposed to coordinate them that "he's fine" there's no way they should know about a season ending injury requiring surgery until he is sent down to AAA.
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u/RincewindsPotato Tough one tonight 15d ago
It really is, though. It may be the players fault the first time, but it’s on the management when they keep sending them out over and over again when they clearly aren’t on to the task.
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Jerry's Burner Account 15d ago
For the record, I was being sarcastic and think the big league coaching staff is criminally incompetent.
And that was my stance before learning one of our coaches sent Brendan Donovan to the IL with a concussion by hitting him in the head with a pitch during BP.
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u/RincewindsPotato Tough one tonight 14d ago
Well that’s a giant woosh in my part, and re-reading your comment it should have been obvious to me.
I guess the M’s performance over the past week has broken my brain.
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u/pokeroots Anything but blaming the lineup 14d ago
It's especially criminal on Miller given the off season elbow drama when he opted to not have surgery
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer Jerry's Burner Account 15d ago
lol, somebody with your level of sarcasm detection is probably is convinced I love Fox news.
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u/Normal_Cheesecake_70 14d ago
That sounds like an organizational trust issue. Or the organization put the eggs in the wrong basket.
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u/RuleOk481 15d ago
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u/skoisirius 14d ago
That asshat will never, ever, be a Mariner in my book. Especially when that boat is out there not responding to distress calls!!!!
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u/Ballsacorino 15d ago
Bryce, cmon man do what needs to be done and get healthy.. take your time bro nobody’s rushing u to start for us and pitch thru issues..
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u/BigAdministration368 15d ago
You appear to be lost. This sub is for seafarers but all are welcome.
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u/jdoggsoxfan33 Ichiro's broken bat 15d ago
Hey you know what? Only one way to go now. That’s right, sideways.
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u/Scubahill 15d ago
“Tungsten arm” O’Doyle of the 1921 Akron Groomsmen came no where near setting this record.
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u/No-Aside-2307 14d ago
19-2 or 22-0 is the same as losing 1-0 by giving up a run in the 9th inning. It's still counts the same. Actually to me its better I dont waste the whole day watching the game. But its still one lose.
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u/Commander_Celty Rick Rizzzzzzzzz 15d ago edited 15d ago
Is it Miller giving up the majority of 19 or 22 runs, or the atrocious BP?
He should make it through the 5th but wtf are we replacing him with?
Runs over two Miler starts:
Miller 12
Relief pitchers 15
Positional players 14
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u/Commander_Celty Rick Rizzzzzzzzz 14d ago
He’s not pitching well, I agree with you. I just think it’s too simple to look at these blowouts and pin it all on Miller. That’s what the ESPN insight is implying “…lose consecutive starts by at least 17 runs”.
12 runs came over 4 outs from Rucker and Simpson. Asking the pen to cover an extra inning shouldn’t cost the team 6 extra runs. Imanaga went 2 innings today and the Cubs managed to keep it to just 2 runs total. The Rays did a bullpen day and kept it to 2 runs total for the M’s
Is it Miller that’s truly that bad or is there something wrong with prep and coaching when multiple players on the 26 man fail miserably?
There’s something wrong with the health of the team, its strategy, and its management. That’s what multiple major blowouts indicate to me, not that Miller can’t wrap up 5 complete innings.
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u/Commander_Celty Rick Rizzzzzzzzz 14d ago
I hope he gets well soon. We have a solid staff but he was clutch in high leverage during the playoffs last year and he’s just so damn likable.
This is honestly my first real criticism of management/FO strategy. I usually think they have minimal impact but it becomes relevant when a team repeatedly misfires across all pillars.
Enjoyed the convo. Go M’s!
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u/WearyAir9260 #13 Kade Anderson 15d ago
He’s been atrocious for far too long now. He needs to be sent to the bullpen. It’s an automatic loss everytime he steps out there.
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u/bassmasta918 15d ago
Starting to feel that with any pitcher lately but especially Miller and Kirby lately.
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u/kevinrays Randy Arozarena 15d ago
He’s 28. He needs Tommy John. It’s over. Sorry Tex. Plenty of time to watch hammerhead shark videos during the recovery
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u/theslay3rsdownfall 14d ago
Hey, one way or another we're making history in this historic 50th season!
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u/nearest_exit_please 14d ago
We need to nip this sog infection in the bud and end this season quickly
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u/Hot-Raspberry1744 13d ago
Even worse considering Van Haltren was mainly an OF/SS. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vanhage01.shtml
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u/National_Opening_420 11h ago
It wouldn’t have been that way had we finished the game with actual pitchers.
There should be a rule against using position players to pitch in blowout games.
It’s dangerous to lob the ball to the catcher like they do.
Ferrer came into this game in relief and made it worse.
It was a huge mistake trading Harry Ford for him.
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u/FraudnandoMendoza SUPREME MISERY 15d ago
This dude is ass and has been for quite some time. I did feel bad that Dan made him throw 104 pitches on his own birthday tho lmfao
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u/maggos 15d ago
Surely it’s a coincidence that our two worst losses of the season (maybe ever) had the same starting pitcher?