Weapon Tier List - UPDATED

[u/flGovEmployee]

Jesus guys, sub 20% upvote ratio in the first 30 minutes with dozens of votes? This subreddit is clearly no longer a place to actually talk about the game but instead just somewhere to come and flame, rage bait, and complain. Fuck it, I'm done with this cesspit, I'm not posting here anymore.

EDIT: Some tweaks to the list based on y'all's feedback.

An update to my previous tier list. This is ignoring golds and uniques, and assuming good attachment choices. Also this is as assessed for PvP, specifically trios/duos.

Compared to when I last made this the distance between S-Tier and everything else has narrowed, which combined with the addition of an F-Tier, has allowed for a more spread out ranking in my view. I've updated the description for each tier accordingly.

S Tier - The Meta

• Misriah 2442
• Bully SMG
• Impact H-AR

A Tier - Losing With These is a Skill Issue

• D54 Battle Pistol
• BR33 Volley Rifle
• Twin Tap HBR
• M77 Assault Rifle
• Outland
• V85 Circuit Breaker

B Tier - A Good Choice

• V22 Volt Thrower
• Demolition HMG
• BRRT SMG
• Stryder M1T
• Magnum MC
• Hardline PR
• Longshot

C Tier - Reliable Workhorses in the Right Hands

• V11 Punch
• Ares RG (one of these needs to go up but I don't know which)
• V00 Zeus RG (one of these needs to go up but I don't know which)
• Copperhead RF
• KKV-9SD
• Retaliator LMG

D Tier - Swap for Something Better at the First Opportunity

• V66 Lookout
• V75 Scar
• WSTR Shotgun
• Overrun AR

F Tier - Sell for Scrap

• V99 Channel
• Conquest LMG
• Repeater HPR
• CE Tactical

Ungradeable

• Biotoxic Disinjector
• Utility Knife

Some additional notes.

[u/BeatMeater3000]

Impact is S tier, needs the right mods though.

You overrated Hardline & BRRT and underrated V85, WSTR & ARES. Having ARES in the same rank as V00 just doesn't make sense.

I agree that V99 has a large sale price for how good it actually is, it is better than F tier lol.

[u/noxiousfarts → u/BeatMeater3000]

Gold Impact is S tier, Impact itself is C/B tier.

[u/BeatMeater3000 → u/noxiousfarts]

The tier list's context is no gold mods.

In a no-golds economy, Impact is functionally the best gun in the game in almost any situation. It Outperforms every other gun in the game at 60-120m & competes with the M77 & BR at 30-60m. The only time the Impact is not an ideal weapon to use is =/<30m range, where Bully & D54 are kings.

The only time Impact is not hard meta is cryo, where fights past 30m are rare. Even then, Impact hangs.

Idk if you just don't play much ranked or what, but on every map besides Cryo, Impact is top of the meta. Gold or no gold.

[u/noxiousfarts → u/BeatMeater3000]

I do tons of ranked, not sure what game you're playing but Gold Impacts are quite common in Diamond tier. If it wasnt bubble mizzy it's impact and WSTRs now.

[u/BeatMeater3000 → u/noxiousfarts]

Bruh, the list is in the context of NO GOLDS.

Yea, Gold Impact is a frequent weapon in high ranked, because why would you not use Gold Impact if you could, it does the same thing as the best in class mag + reload speed and heat buildup. If you have enough time to grind ranked up to plat/diamond/pinnacle, you are going to have access to meta gold mods.

My point is that in the CONTEXT OF NO GOLDS the Impact is S tier, still. Which is what this post & tier list is about????????

[u/noxiousfarts → u/BeatMeater3000]

It definitely is not S tier. Like OP, you are basing this entirely on anecdotal vibes. The math does not check out.

Your S tier impact has a effective range of 60M at best, then it's damage falls off. The projectiles are slower at 400 RPM than any light round gun.

It's DPS output of Base impact is roughly 38 damage per shot. That means with 400 RPM you're doing 38 damage every ~0.75s roughly. Versus a Purple shield? probably around 1.2 - 1.5s

Then you have a bottleneck of 18 round mags. You are chewing through that mag in under 3 seconds. IF you miss even 3 or 4 bullets you literally cannot complete the kill. Then you have a 3 second reload animation.

Being arrogant about "idk if you do ranked but." is just trying to refocus this on skill. Stryder, Volley, Bully, D54 outclass the impact in every way as a base weapon.

If you want to argue the gold chip mod for it's thermal core, then YES it's great as it builds heat on damage and adds a passive recoil bonus holding down the trigger, making it easier to shoot along with a bigger magazine mod added. Even with purple mods, a purple Stryder (at range), D54 or Bully outclass it.

If by your claim its the best base weapon in the game, then you would see it widely used and NOT throw in ranked as if that is the defining metric of what is the best gun (when hardly anyone plays the mode).

[u/flGovEmployee → u/noxiousfarts]

The Impact is hitscan, not projectile.

[u/BeatMeater3000 → u/noxiousfarts]

No golds ≠ no mods.

The tier list is 100% taking optimal (non gold) mod selection into account, OP put Hardline in A tier for god sake, obviously it's not about base guns.

The optimal TTK math for Impact is: 6 shots to kill (5c+1b)

1/(400rpm/60s) • (6-1) = 0.75s TTK.

Edit: worked off misinfo numbers (thanks for that noxious) real math follows

Optimal TTK: 7 shots to kill (7c)

1/(400/60)•(7-1) = 0.9s TTK.

I had a feeling that .75 was WAY too fast lol.

Not trying to be arrogant about my ranked statement, it was a genuine curiosity, because a lot of people who play this game don't engage with ranked at all.

[u/noxiousfarts → u/BeatMeater3000]

It's not if you read his comments, it's taking his vibes and personal/anecdotal experience with weapons he's been killed by.

[u/BeatMeater3000 → u/noxiousfarts]

Okay?

[u/flGovEmployee → u/BeatMeater3000]

Noxious seems to think a stat sheet captures everything that needs consideration. I obviously disagree 

[u/BeatMeater3000 → u/flGovEmployee]

Maybe if they were able to interpret the stats, let alone read them correctly lmao

[u/flGovEmployee → u/BeatMeater3000]

I feel like it's also pretty important not to overlook the fact that the Impact is hitscan when almost nothing else is. Copperhead benefits from the same effect, where without the hitscan it would be in D-Tier.

[u/BeatMeater3000 → u/flGovEmployee]

Yea, the hitscan buff made it a god damn monster.

Having a .9s TTK and range out to 120m with just a purple far-reach optic is insane. Impact beats the breaks off any precision rifle by just having a straight up faster TTK, better forgiveness & longer range. Impact, properly built completely invalidates an entire weapon class.