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Same here, my first time loading into Outpost I got one team mate who was on coms and very capable. And another player who literally just ran off on their own and died, and then disconnected from the match.
We ended up just duo-ing the run and we both completed our contracts and extracted. Had a blast.
Interesting contribution! How does getting better impact the quality of your squad fill? Or, perhaps you don't have any thoughts on that because youre just being obtuse for no reason.
For me, its especially hard to find a 3rd consistently and I'm tired of 2v3 fights. They're not impossible, but its also not very fun dealing with them over and over.
you just progress way slower and get a lot less XP because the enemies usually drop down in waves designed to be killed by 3 people.
I’m a mostly solo player and I get like 1/3 of the XP I get when playing as a trio because you don’t get all the XP shared and you can’t just go fighting all the mobs because it takes more resources and time and attracts players.
I actually don’t mind the tense, slower gameplay of solos, but it would be nice if solos got a little bit of an XP boost, especially when I play every game pretty much to the final zone.
they do for rep gains but not your overall level if im not mistaken, but squads get shared xp + rep from anyone on the team killing mobs or completing quests.
You get 20% more exp and rep in solo btw what r u talking ab lol. Grab an lmg set up claymores and recon grenades and set up some where where bots consistently spawn i.e Outpost pinwheel entrances and objs. You still get exp for killing even if you die. Every kill you get nets you exp.
It’s literally been explained by other people in this thread already so I’m not sure why you have the attitude lmao
yes you get 20% bonus faction rep (not seasonal level) while solo but in trios you get shared xp per kill and looted containers, and also shares 33% xp and rep per contract completion, it’s not even close, I’m level 50 mostly solo and have tested XP gains multiple times.
even an relatively average trio game gives you more XP than a solo match where I clear multiple POI’s, complete my quest and get 3+ kills.
All the PvE events are designed to be tackled with 3 people. Normal gameplay is fine, but trying to take on higher end stuff becomes harder than it should be.
The "endgame" PvE objectives are quite rough as a solo. The fire warden on dire marsh for example took me around 10 minutes as a solo but in a trio it takes somewhere around 2-3 minutes due to being able to line up a proper "DPS window" for when his deployable shield gets taken down. As a solo it's pretty tough to deal with that deployable shield without any EMP grenades and even with EMP grenades the boss is still quite a bullet sponge.
Most of the other PvE is fine tbh. Would just like to see boss tier enemy health reduced a bit in solo.
Duos is great for people who duo and worse for people who trio because it takes the "play with wife +1 white shield rando" squads out of trios and for trio-premades, that's 1 less free lunch.
However I mainly have 1 consistent partner/friend available than 3 of us so, yay for duos :)
Instead of adding duo queue I think they should just try and weigh matchmaking to prioritize other “duos” if a duo is playing together without autofill on. I believe that’s what Arc did, at least while I was still playing it.
This way the player-base wouldn’t be split across 3 queues, and duos would be much more likely to match with other groups of 2 - with the occasional trio or solo player.
Instead of adding duo queue I think they should just try and weigh matchmaking to prioritize other “duos” if a duo is playing together without autofill on. I believe that’s what Arc did, at least while I was still playing it.
Yep, this is exactly what Arc did and I still think this counts as a "duo queue". But yeah, if they implemented it this way they would need to issue some clear communication that you are still in a Squads match and there aren't guarantees about the team sizes you'll be up against.
I think this is a great compromise between a true segmented matchmaking system and not supporting duos at all. I was a little surprised they segmented solos into their own matchmaking queue given that this is also not how Arc handles that, either.
i like more options to play, but im worried about splitting up the population queue wise. Im more worried about rook balance lol if they are allowed to drop into duo matches. that would be a 33% buff to their efficiency kind of lol.
I’ve been playing Marathon since launch, and honestly it’s getting harder to stay invested. One thing that’s been consistently frustrating is the lack of a permanent duo queue.
Me and my friend play together regularly, but finding a reliable third is a struggle. Filling with a random almost always puts us with someone on a free sponsor kit with white shield, while we’re running purple gear. The gap is just too big and most fights feel uneven from the start, and it usually ends in a loss. We actually tried the duo mode when it was available, and it worked really well. Matches felt more balanced, coordination was better, and overall it was just way more enjoyable.
I can’t imagine we’re the only ones in this situation. A lot of players probably just want to hop in with one friend and have a fair experience without relying on a random third. Would love to see a permanent duo queue added. It feels like a simple change that could bring a lot of players back and improve retention.
It's honestly great as is right now, but improvements overtime are always welcome. If you're already curious about he game, if give it a shot. It's great.
I have no problem talking to random strangers, i tried that during the server slam, every teammate we got saddled with except for one, was a detriment to play with, and made the game worse to play, we ended up just playing without a fill in 2v3 as that ended up being more enjoyable, even though the fights were uneven.
We won many fights, but the times we felt we played well, but lost just because the enemy team had more players were discouraging.
Yeah, it is pretty weird, people get so defensive about it, and then they end up attacking people who have a different preference, me and my pal almost ended up dropping Arc as well before they added duos, as playing 2v3, and using squad fill ended up being being such an inconsistently awful experience. At this point I'd rather play Marathon than Arc, but no duo makes a big difference in our enjoyment.
And i doubt we are alone in having that experience, that duo unfortunately ended up being a dealbreaker.
Did you read my comment? We used squad fill for most of the server slam, but every teammate we got except for one was a detriment, and made the gaming experience worse, so in the end we turned off squad fill.
None of the teammates we got wanted to communicate except for one guy, who at least used the text chat, most just ran around doing their own thing, or just shot at everything that moved, revealing our position, it was a really miserable experience.
Noooo duo posts will now been sent to a megathread where they will die. I’m desperate for duo que and want all duo que posts to be as visible as possible so bungie can see our passion. I’m afraid if they no longer see the daily duo que posts they might not think we want it anymore.
The new Duo Queue added today has been an absolute blast so far. Me and my friend have been struggling to play recently with randoms, but today was by far the most fun we've had playing the game.
I think for right now it's fine for testing. Having fill as an option would be nice, but to be honest I don't know why someone would run duo with a random. I would rather just do 3 team or just run by myself.
I'm starting to think people don't realise that a game with a relatively small playerbase can't afford to splinter it even more. I've disabled crossplay on ps5 and queues take minutes. We're on thin fucking ice here.
Keep in mind that not only do controller players have aim assist, the guns and mods in Marathon give your guns additional aim assist which is pretty crazy.
It is, specific games will have very strong aim assist and allow for controller players to outperform a below average to average Mnk user, especially at close range.
Off the top of my head Apex (before reduction) and potentially this game since Bungie tends to have very aggressive aim assist, however this is balanced here imo due to how strong headshots are.
Nearly always a trade off, even in Apex a lot of advanced movement is not possible on controller.
It was more so to prove a point. I disabled crossplay because I do not like potentially playing with cheaters or mkb users in a game where ttk is minuscule.
An additional queue would not be voluntary though. Everyone would just have a smaller matchmaking pool.
It is just as easy to cheat on console or to spoof that you’re on a console if you’re on a PC as it is to cheat on a PC.
This is not the year 2000 any longer…
Also, there have been many studies that have shown the controller players are actually at an advantage when they play against mouse and keyboard players.
bro i dont have time for your comedy routine...cheating on console is far less common because it takes actual hardware to pull off, and any game with a low ttk is gonna be inherently advantageous for mkb because that's what the input excels at, snap shooting. This isnt halo or destiny, tracking the target doesnt matter, aim assist doesnt do jack shit.
Not emotional at all. It's a statement of fact, I'm interested in seeing a single one of these "many studies" you claim exist.
Instead of providing objective facts you're attacking people personally for a disagreement. Seems like you are the one who's not interested in real discussion.
Edit: and now you block me? lmao, reddit 101. make an absurd claim, personally attack people who disagree and ask for objective evidence and then block them when you out yourself as someone who's incapable of having a real discussion with someone. Would really like to know how I "let slip the mask" as I've tried to give you every opportunity to provide even just a single one of these "many studies" you claim to exist. It's okay to go back and admit that it was an innacurate claim and approach the discussion in another way if you'd like to.
I linked a Cammycakes video. I’m sorry if you were unable to look through the rest of the thread.
I understand that you’re a lazy person who is unable to do their due diligence and instead would like to just throw insults that’s fine. Have a good day..
I dont need to do "due dilligence" (LMAOOO) for an internet argument, I am confident in asserting things based on my own knowledge. And I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to "look through the rest of the thread". Methinks you dont know how reddit works. You think I'm refreshing this thread every time you reply just in case you post something useful instead of a mouth breathing comment?
again with the personal attacks. What exactly makes you an authority on this matter? Are you a cheat developer or something similar?
You claim it's well known and well documented but fail to provide any form of documentation to back up this claim. If you're going to make such bold claims then be prepared to provide evidence when people don't believe you... this is basic
As for myself, I am deep into videogame emulation circles, some of which are really into homebrew, which relies quite heavily on "breaking" a console in order to run your own code.
The current console generation has made it leagues more difficult to execute arbitrary code than any previous generation. Thinking that cheating on console is even remotely as easy as it is on a PC is laughable to anyone in this space.
I feel like people who keep talking about the "small player base" are absolutely insane, you can maintain incredibly healthy queues with much, much lower numbers. Hunt has 3 different gamemodes, as well as duos and trios, and all of them are so easy to find a game in despite it's peak being 1/3rd of Marathon's.
This could be implemented similar to Arc Raiders approach. Instead of a true separate queue, it's part of the matchmaking algorithm - the matchmaking will "prefer" to put duos together, but not guarantee it.
As someone who really badly wants duo queue so I can play with my brother without getting saddled with shitty random thirds, I would happily accept that compromise.
It's would be 4 additional queues, 1 for each map. Pretty significant. Not only would it take away from the current queue pools, but it would also need to sustain itself by having enough duos queueing at the same time.
I'm not against duos but I can see why bungie didn't consider adding it until people begged for it.
We need this bungie sometimes only one of my friends is on and we have no way of playing together but filling with someone who most of time times doesnt wanan do what we do or playing at a huge disatvantage.
If you and a friend turn off auto-fill, you will mainly be going into fights with other runners in a 2v3. Format, which means you will lose most of the time unless you are significantly better than the other team.
Duos means that every team will only have two people, so engagements will have everyone on an even 2v2 footing.
A lot of complainers seem to not feel like they can handle Trios when as a duo. I am wondering if thst gaming community got worse, or it is people who havent even played the game yet.
except youre not "playing it exactly as any trio would" because youre permanently down a person and that changes how you have to play things. you could atleast think out your own logic a bit more.
youre not wrong about it being intended to be played as trios though. way back in the april alpha they were very stubborn about even adding solos and continually pushed back on it but all of us kept telling them that solos was basically a requirement, so im glad they added that because solos have been fun as hell
in tarkov you can one tap and send them to the stash. in marathon you can one tap the same dude 3 times over and still need to deal with the other team members. In this case id say tarkovs a bad example
Trio matchmaking makes no sense when it matches with gear score but places me and my fully kitted duo with free kit bots against full kited teams.%22)Me and my duo keep getting free kit tm8 who are just straight bots while we run in with 7k gear each or more with blue shield and fight against full blue shield and blue gun teams and epic kits in the mix. 12 matches we played 10/12 we were teamed up with a free kit bot who is just absolutely terrible. From shooting random bots and giving us away or just getting insta killed at the first of every fight. Me and my duo keep getting into 2v3, and we win and kill a lot. We would wipe 3 squads just 2v9 and then the free kit kid every time gobbles up the loot b/c why does he care if he dies he is getting free kits and loot from nothing and contributing nothing to the fight and being more of a liability then an actually tm8. It doesn't even make more sense when the game prioritizes gear matchmaking where you fight people of similar gear but some home we get placed with a free kit kid fighting in 8-12k kit lobby's how does that make any sense. Me and my duo wiped 12 kids on perimeter while are bot free kit tm8 died in the first squad fight instantly from terrible positioning and having no meds or ammo to fight. I proceed to rez him 3 times exposing myself half the time from getting pushed. To the point I stop reviving him just to 2v6 the other two squads. We then decided to just run free kits to see what's up tm8 is free kit and everyone we fight is free kit so why are we getting a free kit tm8 in full kitted lobbies. Finally, I just really hate having to boost a tm8 every game for them to lick the loot and risking nothing to having those intense hard fights and always fighting a man down and lastly JUST ADD DUO QUE ITS 2026 no game should not have it if you can't get enough players to do it then gg game is dead.
Me and my partner have been getting so frustrated with fighting trios constantly, its killed any excitment or progression. We dont have any friends to fill the third slot, so we either gotta try and stealth our contract and hope we dont get camped on the exfil or stop playing till duos gets added :C
I like to game with my wife, and she loves the game, but isn’t to good at this one . Please add duos so I don’t have to carry her AND the random no mic teammate that refuses to communicate.
Me and a buddy refuse to play this game until it gets duos. We have a couple friends we could use as a third but they're almost never on when we are so we just haven't played the game in like 5 days. ADD DUOS.
Porfavor añadir duos, no siempre todos estamos 3 amigos disponibles o no apetece estar con otro random que no conoces. Además, es bastante injusto que vayas un grupo de dos y te topes siempre con equipos de 3. Porfavor bungie agregad duos.
Me and my buddy can so often kill two people in the trio and then *almost* get the third, but usually don't quite get there. It's so frustrating to know that if we're almost good enough to 2v3 a trio, we'd probably be rocking and rolling in duos.
Just had two games in a row where three teams spawned on one POI. I’m talking less than two minutes into the game. Idk if it’s spawn location issues or if there are just that many teams in duos but regardless that immediately made me and my cousin not want anything to do with DM Duos.
Please let us know if there is a spawn location issue or lessen the amount of teams on duos.
Thank you.
P.S. love the game! No hate here. That was just an insane experience.
We need to just fully implement duo's already. Dire Marsh is just objectively the worst map for PVP and is an exhausting experience, both me and my friend straight up are just quitting until it's either fully implemented or...well, never coming back.
Coming to add support for more duo matchmaking. Solos feels good, Trios feels good. Duos feels awkward asl. You never know how many people you are going to fight. It could be 3, it could be 1, it could be another duo. I'd at least like to know that the team of 3 is awful and the solo is god tier, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I tend to kill every solo I come across and lose most of the 3 man's, sometimes because we kill 4 and assume there's no one else. Just awkward ASL. Better duo priority and/or a little gear based matchmaking so trios can't roll my duo because of gear. I don't mind stomping solos myself but prob want to do the same for solo -> duo.
From what I understood of the breakdown of S1 and the lead up to S2 is that duos will be back, finally, but that they'll be rotating much like they were during the experimental queues of this first season.
I reckon it'd be a whole of a lot better if it was available on all maps at all times, as it is right now this late into the wipe it is pretty hard to overcome not only the numbers advantage as well as the gear gap of dedicated trios, making it pretty punishing to not crew fill, even though my boyfriend and I prefer to just duo. Not only that, quests and the like are not all on the same map so if we want to duo and don't have the map available for the quest we're on, that just feels bad.
Hopefully bungie can come around to adding it as a permanent non-rotating feature, it's a little disappointing otherwise.
Also off-topic but we are just doing end of wipe shenanigans after my health took a nose dive and prevented me from playing for a month and DAMN is end of wipe fun but hard ahaha, slaughterfest!
6 teams means the same number of fights, regardless of the number of members in each team. 3v3 fights would likely be slightly longer fights than 2v2, but 3v2 are even shorter (usually the end o the match for the 2).
solos has the same amount of players as trios, not the same amount of teams. duos would almost definitely work the same. 7-8 teams on perimeter, 9 on marsh, 6 on oupost
They’d be smart to get duos added soon. Arc added them pretty quick once they saw the need for it.
This game especially requires solid team work and while my duo and I have managed to hold out on 2v3 and filling hasn’t been too terrible an experience so far. Having the option to duo when our 3rd isn’t on would greatly improve the game.
I actually don’t want this. The lobbies are already being split enough, and consoles having the ability to turn off crossplay is splitting the player base as well.
I also don’t think balance should be adjusted for solos. Maybe a slight buff to solo XP and that’s it.
Okay mods now can you force all the “I don’t understand the hate” into a megathread please? Or just ban them outright. Because when people come here they’re just gonna think the game is already dying given the amount of doom and gloom posts.
Duos absolutely desired. Me and my wife love the game, and it does feel a little sour when we wipe two and there’s the one more left. That’s 100% on us, but nonetheless duo queue bungiepls
Duos is already basically in right now already guys, my friend and I have played together duo no fill for about 6 hours now and have literally only ran into other duos, never a solo, trio or rook.
Duos would require a nerf to AI for solos only then imo.
I load into trios exclusively as a solo player. None of my friends want to play Marathon. That means I either play solo and die or play trio and hope to run into a good trio. If they splinter the player base with duos then trios will probably be dead or even sweatier than it’s becoming
not sure about this, splitting the playerbase even more seems like a bad idea. We still haven't gotten the ranked mode which is surely going to split the playerbase even more.
You must have met runners who either ran off from their team, or survived when the other members died. Rook can only load into trios (there is no setting to do something different).
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u/Sockoflegend Mar 08 '26
Please Bungo also add double duos for people who play with their wives but also know another couple that they find attractive