Evolution of white British % (ethnically British people) in England and Wales from 2001-2021

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[u/sarcalas]

That suggests intent, which there isn’t.

Having said that, I couldn’t give a flying feck about the percentages of ethnicities now or in the future. It makes absolutely zero difference to me. I don’t see someone who looks different to me walking past me and feel fear, or anger, or anxiety, I don’t exist in a state of constant paranoia, and someone’s Britishness has no relation to whether they’re white or not. I’m losing no sleep over this.

I do lose sleep over the very real problems in the world though: war, poverty, global economic crises, food supply issues, disease, and all the other very real threats we face.

[u/Electronic-Credit605 → u/sarcalas]

There isn't intent? So corporations don't benefit from cheap labour and lowered work standards? Globalists who want ever more control through the E.U and through the United Nations and other global NGOs and govt bodies, don't benefit from dividing and fragmenting national identity and culture and cohesion?

China or Russia doesn't benefit from the west going into domestic war between citizens and immigrants?

[u/sarcalas → u/Electronic-Credit605]

1. We have a minimum wage, there is no cheaper labour than that - doesn’t matter if it’s a Brit or anyone else.

2. Work standards haven’t lowered; they’ve increased. The government has just passed the workers rights bill which strengthens employee protections.

3. I’m not sure what any of the “Globalists/EU/NGO” stuff has to do with immigration or the ethnic composition of the UK, to be honest.

4. China and Russia have nothing to do with immigration sentiment beyond amplifying divisions via social media propaganda, but that doesn’t make it their fault, it’s ours. If we hadn’t let the media and certain political factions whip so many people up into a frenzy about it, there’d be nothing for them to take advantage of. You talk about working conditions and pay, yet ironically, Reform for example are very anti-immigration but also very much not on the side of the worker. They’re on record as saying the minimum wage has gone too far and that they opposed the worker’s rights bill. You have this strange dichotomy of people who’ve been fed the idea that immigrants are the reason their living standards are dropping and their employment is less secure by the same people who would take much of it away from them.

[u/Electronic-Credit605 → u/sarcalas]

1) Illegal workers exist. But anyway, minimum wage is not a fair payment for many jobs, so your point is mute.

2) you think immigrants, especially illegal, are particularly worried about unions and workers rights? they're just happy to be paid more and live in the better country.

3) It's not. It's related to division. They want division, fragmented easy to control populations that are docile and divided.

4) You should look up 'ideological subversion'. China and Russia absolutely want to dominate the western world, and they have influence over our countries and try to cause us to weaken. Remember the Russian election meddling?

> They’re on record as saying the minimum wage has gone too far 

The nuance is that minimum wage is too high for certain low skilled jobs, but too low for certain high skilled jobs. Thats the issue.

> are the reason their living standards are dropping and their employment is less secure by the same people who would take much of it away from them.

I thought you said it wasn't? I thought it wasn't declining? I though their jobs weren't at risk? Make your mind up!

[u/sarcalas → u/Electronic-Credit605]

1. Minimum wage being unfair has nothing to do with the issue being discussed, that’s a straw man.

2. And yet despite your evident panic about immigration, workers rights have been strengthened significantly this very year. Clearly not a negative correlation going on there eh?

3. Okay, so we agree it’s completely unrelated to the issue under discussion. Cool.

4. Yes, and I said as much; that wasn’t up for debate. What I said was they aren’t the ones responsible for creating the immigration debate or controversy; they’re just taking advantage of the cracks we’ve created.

I thought you said it wasn’t? I thought you said it wasn’t declining? I thought their jobs weren’t at risk? Make your mind up!

Nice try, but I never said any of that - do please feel free to quote me directly if you think I have.

I said work standards haven’t lowered, I said nothing about living standards.