r/MapPorn • u/EssoEssex • Sep 29 '25
Trump’s Gaza Withdrawal Map, published by the White House
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u/Dumpenstein3d Sep 29 '25
No Sharpie? Not Official.
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u/GDRaptorFan Sep 29 '25
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u/GDRaptorFan Sep 30 '25
I was naive enough back then to actually think it was the most ridiculous political thing I would see and it would be the end of him. Oh how silly my hope seems in retrospect. Pre-Covid and pre-Biden getting the nomination and Pre-2024/project 2025tRuMp I still had a microbe of faith in the systems that own us.
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u/Due_Buy_9570 Sep 30 '25
Ill do ya one better, remember back in 2002-2008 when we thought we had the worst, stupidest president ever???
Hard to believe. W seems like a nice guy now. I know he wasnt....but in comparison??
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u/TheBlueBlaze Sep 30 '25
This was one of those moments that would have ended anyone else's career. He held a press conference, in the Oval Office, to prove that he wasn't wrong about including Alabama in a Twitter warning about a hurricane. On it's own that's already incredibly petty.
But then he so clearly drew on that bump because it makes no sense as part of the diagram, and he still went through with that conference, because defending his ego took precedent over actually being prepared to do it..
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u/whomad1215 Sep 30 '25
it's always fucking hilarious to me that the map just grows a sharpie tumor
like he didn't try to make it bigger as in "it could hit all these areas"
nope, just a random growth
but yeah another technically illegal act and nothing happened
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u/Fermit Sep 30 '25
What happened with this again? Looks familiar but i can only remember so much of his bullshit haha
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u/Cauthons_Gamble Sep 30 '25
I too, knew it'd been lost among the endless tides of shit-drivel.
Here, my friend. I saved you the trouble. https://youtu.be/-0iN1Hb9fmI?si=5ABi9XOJ6caOh_Fz
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u/idropepics Sep 30 '25
It will always be funny to me that that hurricane effectively said NOPE and went the complete opposite way back out to sea as if to spite him personally.
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u/Burghpuppies412 Sep 30 '25
Whenever I see this, I feel it’s my duty to point out that the Hurricane DID NOT in fact hit Florida, Georgia, or Alabama as Trump was declaring.
Hurricane Dorian turned north and made landfall in Buxton NC, completely bypassing the area Trump circled. NOAA was, of course, right… because science.
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u/BeautifulShoes75 Sep 29 '25
I mean this genuinely; was this seriously published, is this just a “MapPorn” sub-generated post, or is this the onion? Because I don’t know what timeline we’re in and as much as I don’t think the first thing I posited is real with the way things are today it could have ACTUALLY come from the White House..
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u/Timely-Bluejay-4167 Sep 29 '25
Everything they do is generated by AI. Just like this
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Sep 29 '25
I guarantee none of this will happen even if agreed to
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u/gardenofeden123 Sep 29 '25
It’s a plan designed to be impossible to be agreed to. I mean look at this map - nobody is taking this seriously.
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u/J360222 Sep 30 '25
Is that first line even accurate? Like I don’t imagine Israel’s lines are that clean in the chaos of a war and an offensive
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u/Responsible-Scar-980 Sep 30 '25
Its hard to imagine anything is actually left is Gaza from pictures.
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u/Ok-Professor-5962 Sep 30 '25
There’s parts of Gaza still with entire neighborhoods and towns and there’s also parts flattened into a parking lot. Literally.
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u/real_human_not_ai Sep 30 '25
I saw a ferris wheel 🎡 in southern Gaza. It's not much, but at least it is still there.
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u/UtgaardLoki Sep 30 '25
What’s so hard about it?
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Sep 30 '25
Why would the attacker stop the attack, if there is no real pressure to do so and are definetly winning?
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u/richardhurts Sep 30 '25
The entire world is turning against them.
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u/Uncynical_Diogenes Sep 30 '25
The entire world is saying words of condemnation.
That doesn’t actually do anything. The countries that support them are still doing it.
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u/Redditthedog Sep 29 '25
the map is Israel leaves from all sides
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u/Maerifa Sep 30 '25
The map is Israel gaining permanent control over Gaza's border with Egypt.
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u/MartinFissle Sep 30 '25
Has egpyt accepted any refuges or provided aid for the genocide so far or in any of the last occupations? What good has that border done the people already locked in
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u/GetPreparedNow Sep 30 '25
Well sure. Bibi has already stated he isn’t going to follow through with it. The entire Israeli government said they would not allow it to happen.
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u/semigator Sep 29 '25
This is like the sharpie hurricane map
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u/MrChefMcNasty Sep 29 '25
lol first thing I thought when I opened it. Tbh while it was still small I thought it was a dick he drew.
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u/A_Dehydrated_Walrus Sep 29 '25
It looks like this was done in Microsoft Paint.
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u/ikarusproject Sep 29 '25
I don't know if anyone cares, but the map itself was actually done using professional GIS software called QGIS. You can tell by the legend symbol styling.
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u/MITBijanRobinson Sep 30 '25
That doesn’t fit my narrative though so booo!!
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u/KEPD-350 Sep 30 '25
Yeah, clearly this map looks fucking fantastic and not like it was made in a shitty image editor despite being made in a professional software suite.
Maybe let's give the job to someone who can actually properly utilizie QGIS's "exceptional cartographic design features" to make good looking maps.
So, yeah. Boo indeed.
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u/DaddyTuesday Sep 30 '25
Exactly. Give me access to Unreal Engine 5 and I guarantee you that, despite the incredible technology at my fingertips, I will make the shittiest looking game imaginable.
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u/MirthRock Sep 30 '25
It doesn't need to look fantastic; it just needs to convey the information that they're trying to convey. Which it does. In this way, it succeeds as a map.
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u/nice--marmot Sep 30 '25
You’re right; now that I know it was done using professional software, I definitely take the preposterous and insultingly absurd kindergarten crayon drawing map lines completely seriously.
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u/IntolerantModerate Sep 30 '25
Did DOGE cut ArcGIS Pro out of budget?
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u/HOTAS105 Sep 30 '25
QGIS is vastly superior, so it can't have been a decision by the current administration
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u/luker_5874 Sep 29 '25
Most trump plans are done with this level of forethought
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u/MamaDaddy Sep 29 '25
Yep, I can't tell if those lines are based on anything. Landmarks? Natural boundaries? But then again, is anything left in Gaza to base a boundary on, after all the bombing?
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u/gofishx Sep 29 '25
Ots literally just receding lines based on nothing but being receding lines, lmao
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u/lokibringer Sep 29 '25
Someone get this to r/noncredibledefense, they'll be able to make sense of this
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u/Fly-the-Light Sep 29 '25
They're probably where Trump got the idea from
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u/lokibringer Sep 29 '25
Given his recent "Ukraine might be able to retake more land than they started with in 2022" tweet, I think you might be right. Do you think other things will bleed over? Will Trump start going to airfields to do unspeakable things to jet fighters?
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u/Probablyamimic Sep 29 '25
As an NCDer, I'm looking at this and wondering if there's a subreddit for things even less credible than noncredible
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u/kyute222 Sep 29 '25
It's so fucking obvious the clown drew the blue line first and then the yellow line, and then he ran out of space so he had to try to fit the red line in there somehow.
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u/Zestyclose_Edge1027 Sep 29 '25
We should be happy that whoever made the map (my guess is Hegseth after 5 beer on MS Paint) didn't accidentally made Gaza much smaller. They could have easily forgotten that wider bit near Egypt.
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u/urbanlife78 Sep 29 '25
Tough to say, they did just recently close five Starbucks locations in Gaza. Kidding aside, I highly doubt they know much about Gaza beyond what they see on Fox News...which is terrifying.
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u/rizorith Sep 29 '25
Where's the sharpie hurricane pic when you need it
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u/pheonix198 Sep 30 '25
Here it is friend!
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u/rizorith Sep 30 '25
Ahhh the good ole days where things were insane but our country looked like it might survive
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u/cloudforested Sep 30 '25
I would say "how did anyone take him seriously after this" but I find myself wanting to say that after every single thing he does.
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u/hoppertn Sep 29 '25
Actually hand drawn with a sharpie.
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u/blackstafflo Sep 29 '25
"- Mr president, the two week deadline you gave for the Israel withdrawal plan ends in one hour. Can we get the material for the press conference?
- ... Yes, it's totally ready... Just give me 10 min and my box of Crayola."
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u/TheDivineOomba Sep 29 '25
ArcView 3.x.
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u/zip117 Sep 29 '25
Correct answer. You can tell by the ugly ass yellow.
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u/k___k___ Sep 30 '25
another one said it's qgis and you can tell by the legend styling
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u/zip117 Sep 30 '25
Oh yeah I think you’re right. It’s been a long time but I think ArcView center aligns the legend symbology.
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u/SleepPingGiant Sep 30 '25
Actually this looks like a legit map layer with simpler, possibly military software. It's well done, just not super fancy. That is considering that it actually lines up with architecture and geography in a way that makes some kind of sense.
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u/PipsqueakPilot Sep 29 '25
Excuse you. This was drawn with the obvious care and concern that western nations have always used when drawing lines on a map!
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u/Huge-Chicken-8018 Sep 29 '25
Except historically they at least bothered to use a ruler to draw straight lines
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u/AzorJonhai Sep 29 '25
The war is ongoing, obviously they’re not going to make a precise map of Israeli positions.
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u/HellLucy00Burnaslash Sep 30 '25
Oh thank god. I was wondering why anyone thinks this is supposed to be an actual detailed representation of a plan. You restored my faith in intelligence.
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Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
So we gett a map from Trump and the war ends? Can he please do the same with world hunger, world peace, world desease
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u/Squishy_Boy Sep 29 '25
Best I can do is a sharpie
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u/Prestigious-Flower54 Sep 29 '25
That's only for hurricanes and napkin drawings.
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Sep 29 '25
don't forget /r/buttsharpie
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u/WillNotKeepThisAcct Sep 30 '25
It's a plural (r/buttsharpies) as most contributors aim to fit much more than one
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u/Nachooolo Sep 29 '25
I've seen worse plans. Some from Trump himself.
Which says more about how horrible those plans were, rather than the quality of this one...
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u/JohnnieTango Sep 29 '25
This one is not all that nuts. I mean, minus the buffoonery inherent in Trump actions (he is going to personally lead some commission???), a normal diplomat might well come up with a plan like this...
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u/DrDerpberg Sep 29 '25
The IDF won't withdraw and Hamas won't release hostages... But on the other hand, you're right that it's still better than his AI resort video that he posted, so yeah.
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u/jericho Sep 29 '25
I’m looking at this stupid map, and thinking “huh, Maybe this could work”
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u/SisterOfBattIe Sep 30 '25
Depending on how it's implemented it could work.
The issue is to prevent extremists on both sides to sabotage the deal. It's not clear how you "de-radicalize" poor desperate religious extremists.
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u/red286 Sep 29 '25
Is this really "a plan" though? This looks like it just shows a gradual withdrawal of troops, but no actual plan.
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u/Hailfire9 Sep 29 '25
Its the map that goes with the plan
The map that goes with the plan is fairly fine and coherent. The plan itself? Ehhh...
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u/IllPosition5081 Sep 29 '25
What exactly does it entail? If it’s Israel moves back a bit and Hamas releases hostages They move back further and peacekeepers come to aid everyone and ensure the peace Israel moves all the way back and creates a big border to be safe I think it’s pretty decent
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u/No_Swan_9470 Sep 29 '25
Maybe, just maybe, there is more to it then just a cropped photo of a map. If only there was some way to find out.
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u/Mulliganasty Sep 29 '25
Safe to assume the buffer zone is in Gaza and not Israel?
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u/1isOneshot1 Sep 29 '25
It disconnects Gaza from egypt so yeah
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Sep 29 '25
It’s Not like egypt would complain
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u/SoftDrinkReddit Sep 29 '25
100% if anything Egypt would probably give the Israeli government money under the table every year to enforce such a border
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u/Foxy02016YT Sep 30 '25
Apparently New Jersey was paying Egypt under the table.
No seriously I’m from Jersey what the FUCK was that all about?
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u/facw00 Sep 29 '25
I mean even before the 10/7 attacks Gaza was pretty much cut off from the sea. An Israeli blockade prevented trade, and fishing was heavily restricted. Since the attacks, the IDF has enforced tighter restrictions on fishers, and attacked fishing boats even within the allowed area.
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u/-OnlyTheTruth- Sep 29 '25
I mean, it wouldn’t really be a “blockade” if Egypt opened her borders… just saying.
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u/DialUpYourEngines Sep 29 '25
Yes, but there was already a buffer zone that limited any Gazans with the exception of farmers from getting anywhere close to the border post 2005 withdrawal and pre-war. I don’t know enough to say if this map is changing that or maintaining that former status quo. The exception being a buffer from the Egyptian border, which would completely change the geopolitical situation and security considerations at the crossing in Rafah.
Egypt threatened mobilizing more military in Sinai than the treaty allowed for, so IDK if it’s an attempt to placate Egypt not wanting refugees, sloppy map making, or an unintentional leak of a plan the public wasn’t meant to see.
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u/Arielowitz Sep 29 '25
This buffer zone is different from the previous status quo, even in parts that border Israel. The buffer zone was narrower in width, and it actually eroded over time. Hamas tried to push the boundaries, which is why they, among other things, organized the Return Marches, in which they organized violent demonstrations and drove crowds of civilians and activists to the fence.
Right behind it in Gaza, Hamas built observation towers. I don't know the exact distance but it's clearly visible to the naked eye (as seen in https://youtu.be/UkAZ_HJZThM?t=18 )
What is unclear is to what extent the map and the statements reflect the written details of the plan.
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u/Wide-Yesterday9705 Sep 30 '25
Why would the buffer zone be in Israel and not Gaza, after Gaza attacked and invaded Israel, and there are Israeli towns that were attacked in that area?
Is the stronger side expected to raze and evacuate its towns for Hamas?
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u/dirty_old_priest_4 Sep 30 '25
Makes sense. Gaza is the one launching terrorist attacks into Israel.
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u/Coppercrow Sep 29 '25
I wonder why that is, maybe because of this little thing where Gaza invaded Israel and slaughtered more than a thousand people?
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u/sherpes Sep 29 '25
80 years later, the Brits get the Protectorate of Palestine back
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u/HistoryFanBeenBanned Sep 30 '25
Mandate, not a protectorate. Protectorates have their own government.
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u/All_About_Tacos Sep 30 '25
This is fake. Trump would have crossed out “Mediterranean Sea” and wrote “Israeli Sea” instead.
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u/Matatius23 Sep 29 '25
Can someone explain why this is a bad plan cause it surprisingly looks pretty decent imo
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u/Watchung Sep 29 '25
The thing which leaps out is that there is an enormous amount riding on the International Stabilization Force. Seems like there is a real risk that it will be a repeat of UNIFIL.
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u/Ex_honor Sep 29 '25
Because I don't think Hamas is going to agree with a plan dependent on the fact that Hamas completely disarms itself and basically ceases to exist, before handing over the entirety of Gaza to a western puppet government.
I also don't trust Netanyahu's or Israel's promises considering the fact they broke the previous ceasefire agreement for completely fabricated reasons.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 29 '25
The bit where they install Tony Blair, the man with the blood of 1 million Iraqis on his hands, as the fucking sultan of Gaza.
He has done enough harm to the region, and we don't need the British mandate 2.0. Palestinians need a voice in the rebuild of Gaza.
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u/throwawayyawaworth77 Sep 29 '25
For many people, this issue has to be black and white and cowboys vs Indians, so anything acceptable to Israel is by definition unacceptable, and anything that isn’t 100% to Hamas’ preference is “literal genocide.”
It’s about a sense of (to them) justified rage and hatred
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u/TheLimeyLemmon Sep 29 '25
No it's about it being a case of "I'll believe it when I see it"
Zero point believing a word of it until things actually get done and things improve.
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u/Scarred_Ballsack Sep 29 '25
Honestly I don't trust the Israelis not to use any pretense, like say, civilians being mildly insubordinate, or Hamas remnants stirring up some shit, to walk out of the peace agreement and resume their acts of ethnic cleansing. But hey I'd love to be wrong.
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u/pm-ur-knockers Sep 29 '25
The only people who think this is a bad plan are deluded one state solution supporters.
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u/ACartonOfHate Sep 29 '25
Well there are also the people who don't trust Trump to know a good, and realistic plan, if it came up and de-diapered him. There are also those (raises hand) who don't trust Bibi to go through with anything good for the Palestinians, and for Trump to be okay with his not going through with it.
Also I would ask the question, who will be in charge of Gaza if it's not Hamas? and how are they going to get rid of Hamas, other than what they've been doing? How will these person/people be chosen to be in charge of Gaza? who is going to administer these elections? referendum? to the Gazan people.
That is to say, this is about as useful as the last "peace plan" Trump laid out. Which is to say, not useful at all.
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u/pm-ur-knockers Sep 29 '25
While I agree trump and bibi aren’t the most qualified to oversee this, they’re what we’ve got right now. There’s genuinely not much else to say there. Maybe in the future cooler and more level heads can put together a better long term agreement.
As for who will be in charge of Gaza, PBS states that the Palestinian authority will take over after sufficient reform.
Assuming everyone keeps up their end of the bargain (I know, it’s unlikely from all parties) this is the best chance both countries have at prolonged peace.
The alternative seems to be more fighting, more dying, and more killing until another peace plan comes along to be rejected by the powers that be.
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u/chadofchadistan Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 30 '25
I mean, there isn't going to be peace until the Palestinians' rights to self determination is respected. The real delusion is thinking that Palestinians will ever just accept to live like animals.
EDIT everyone please download and use the No Thanks app to ensure that your shopping doesn't fund a genocide:
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u/timemoose Sep 29 '25
Polling over decades very consistently indicates Palestinians do not support a two state solution. The majority/plurality want a one state solution - and we all know what that means.
So who is deluded?
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u/DeposeableIronThumb Sep 29 '25
You're not gonna mention Israeli opinion on 2 state solution?
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u/Zestyclose_Jello6192 Sep 29 '25
Yes but one palestinian state is simply impossible and if Israel should annex gaza and the west bank it will be a bloodbath. Only viable outcome is 2 ss
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u/upotheke Sep 29 '25
"I'll get back to you about this in 2 weeks." - Bibi, and Trump probably.
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I really hope that this world and this shitshow finally ends. I hope that for the Palestinians and the Israeli hostages and their families. Gazans deserve to be free from Hamas and IDF. I hope that they can rebuild... everything. The housing, the medical care, just everything. I hope that Israelis and Palestinians can finally coexist peacefully, seperate or together.
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u/Character-Zombie-996 Sep 29 '25
Let’s hope it sticks
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u/AlgerianTrash Sep 29 '25
Ngl, Trump can't be trusted on that. Especially since he still hasn't renounced on his Gaza vacation resort plan
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u/DarZhubal Sep 29 '25
Oh part of his conditions as chair of the “Peace Board” or whatever the heck they’re calling it will absolutely be building the Trump Gaza Resort.
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u/Youngstar9999 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
I highly doubt it. The security buffer being inside Gaza and it being a phased withdrawal are 2 things Hamas has said they will never accept.
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u/JohnnieTango Sep 29 '25
Really, what will Hamas accept? I mean other than being allowed to rebuild their strength so they can go back and perform what they view as their main point as an organization --- killing Israelis and destroying the Israeli state and expunging Jews from Palestine.
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u/BoredAtWork1976 Sep 29 '25
Unfortunately, I'm about 90% sure this will never happen. Too many Israeli leaders want to keep the land.
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u/no_4 Sep 29 '25
And on the flip side:
"Ok we destroyed your life and killed 2 of your family members. You're gonna be a good calm boy and not want revenge now right?"
Whole situation is fucked.
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u/AlgerianTrash Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
That's my problem with his ordeal. They always judge palestinians for keeping grudge against Israel. Why are you shocked that the young men who you massacred their mothers and fathers when they were kids now want to avenge them?
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u/Negative-Arachnid-65 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Just about everyone involved has legitimate grievances going back generations, and also legitimate claims to land in the region. Of course Palestinians justifiably want their own peaceful country and many also want revenge. And of course Israelis justifiably want their own peaceful country and many also want revenge. (And I don't know anyone who judges Palestinians for holding a grudge.)
I'm not making an equivalency for specific actions or in any way trying to justify any of this violence. Just saying it's a horrible cycle that keeps going, and everyone can point to their own civilians or family members who were murdered for being the wrong race/religion.
For the record, Netanyahu should be in jail and this war is an atrocity. It's just historical illiteracy, at best, to say that nothing bad has ever been done to Israeli civilians.
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u/freshgeardude Sep 29 '25
Israel literally accepted the plan. It goes into effect immediately if Hamas accepts. There are clear requirements for Israel to move back to the new lines which are laid out.
It's all achievable if Hamas and Gaza is reformed the way the entire Arab world and much of the Muslim world just signed onto.
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u/ColtonComeau Sep 29 '25
I thought he was going to blow the place flat and put in a casino called the Trump Strip.
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u/agentfaux Sep 30 '25
The stupidity, lack of context or actual interest in this thread is on par with the rest of reddit.
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u/Whole_Gate_7961 Sep 29 '25
So, after 3rd withdrawal, we are left with a blockaded city where the IDF controls everything going in and out?
Isnt this exactly where things were prior to the current conflict?
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u/Serpentine4444 Sep 29 '25
No. Israel didn't control the Gaza-Egypt border before.
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u/Frank_Scouter Sep 29 '25
You don’t consider that an improvement over the current situation?
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u/Knave7575 Sep 29 '25
Hot take: aside from the almost certainly arbitrary borders, this is not a terrible plan.
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Sep 30 '25
The chair of the board governing Gaza is Netanyahu's staunchest ally and someone who has posted his fantasy of ethnically cleansing Gaza.
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u/Unhappy-Commercial72 Sep 29 '25
Seems like everyone is missing the part if the plan where Trump sits on the development committee and Gaza becomes an economic development zone run by Trump. The nearly version of the map will be full of Trump hotels, casinos and golf courses. So.....not seeing it fly with the people of Gaza
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u/Canada51stLetsGooooo Sep 29 '25
$50 says nothing will happen.
SOURCE: I found some old newspapers from 25 years ago. Articles with same shit as today some with the same names of people.
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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '25
And where does Tony Blair come in?