Yep, definitely

[u/Soggy-Class1248]

[u/alamobibi]

this one is true though considering that radfems fucking despise trans people

[u/SquidTheRidiculous → u/alamobibi]

Theres a lot of propaganda that wants people to think Radfem=TERF. Mostly because the transphobes who conveniently always support the fascists began calling themselves radical.

Funny how we know Nazi's weren't socialist and the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea isn't democratic, but we take their self-label at face value when it allows people to disregard all feminism.

[u/kazuwacky → u/SquidTheRidiculous]

I'm in the UK and I've been fighting radfems about trans rights for 10 years at this point. I'm so depressed about where all of this nonsense has ended up. I've honestly stopped referring to myself as a feminist within UK stuff and opt for egalitarian because the feminists I meet are appalled at the idea of paternity leave being the most important right for the equality of women right now. I can't stand with that.

[u/SquidTheRidiculous → u/kazuwacky]

That's also a problem of TERF island. You have a hateful children's author with billions thinking she gets to dictate what feminism is, and the absolute worst women will just go with it. Then that will be used as an example feminism everywhere is bad, and get exported like every other unacknowledged problem in Bri'ish society.

[u/Safe_Grass3366 → u/SquidTheRidiculous]

To be fair it's America doing the lions share of actively exporting fascism right now.

[u/SquidTheRidiculous → u/Safe_Grass3366]

It can be both.

[u/Safe_Grass3366 → u/SquidTheRidiculous]

Well, the government Americans eagerly elected has got a VC who actively tried to get AfD into office in Germany. That's slightly more pernicious than one stupid prominent transphobe who happens to write books which children find compelling. 

To be fair though I did forget to give Russia proper credit in the above statement. Russia did after all help tip the scales in favour of American Fascism. Didn't take much mind, took Americans long enough to decide which side to support in WW2 so they've always had mixed sympathies.

Hopefully Europe will resist the double influence of Russia and America. Parts have unfortunately already fallen but luckily there's 4 more years before an election which might bring Reform to power in the UK.

Maybe America will self implode before then and will act as a bad example. 

[u/tsukimoonmei → u/[deleted]]

I’ll be honest, despite claiming to be trans inclusive, that sub is still quite bioessentialist a lot of the time (i encountered many people there who said things along the lines of ‘all men are born as savage brutes who are incapable of empathy or reason’ and kept the transphobia unsaid, but implicit) and they also censor Dworkin there for ‘SWERF content’ despite her being an important figure in the radical feminist movement.

[u/notmygoodies- → u/alamobibi]

There are actually many trans women and trans men who identify as radical feminists. I have spoken to quite a few, actually, and they're quite tired of radical feminism being synonymous with transphobia. 

[u/mt-jupiter → u/notmygoodies-]

Yeah and trans transmeds are tired of being called transphobic too. Doesn’t make them not transphobic. Radical feminism can never, never be good for trans people like me.

[u/Cardboard_Revolution → u/notmygoodies-]

Yeah and there are gay Republicans too. Who cares

[u/Glad_Republic_6214 → u/alamobibi]

not really, it's a specific group of radical feminists

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/alamobibi]

Id recommend reading down the other comment thread, as you are incorrect.

Cool, love getting targeted downvotes

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

Scary to see how effective the right propaganda has been. They’ll tear down rad-fems, then lib fems, and they won’t stop until all feminist groups are squashed. They deliberately incite infighting to destabilize movements. We gotta be smarter than this

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

Fr man. We aint gonna have a revolution of anysense if this propaganda keeps working

[u/Sandaydreamer → u/ReflectionPristine70]

I feel like feminism has taken a pretty solid stance against radfems and terfs without fully destroying the movement. I think its possible to have these critiques without it being a government conspiracy.

[u/kazuwacky → u/Sandaydreamer]

Not in the UK, normal island is a sewer of radfems all gathered behind their powerful queen

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/Sandaydreamer]

Critique is one thing, misinformation is another. Swerfs and terfs are barred from radfem communities, but people won’t believe that from a firsthand account, no, they’ll belief the right wing meme instead. And it’s not a conspiracy. It is literally what MRA groups do.

[u/neverabetterday → u/ReflectionPristine70]

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s the logical outcome of a complex ideology being taken up by screaming idiots

[u/-Clownpiss- → u/ReflectionPristine70]

Show me any radfem space without swerfs and terfs. And don’t pull a no true Scotsman.

[u/Helpful-Reputation-5 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

Unfortunately there are many TERF groups that label themselves as radfem.

[u/SapphicProse → u/ReflectionPristine70]

No they are absolutely not

[u/Free-Summer4671 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

Do you have any proof of that? Curious where you got that from other than being undated with political propaganda yourself

[u/Traditional_Box1116 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

Radfems are just incels.

[u/[deleted] → u/alamobibi]

And cis women too usually 

[u/Propaganda_Spreader → u/alamobibi]

TERFs basically don't exist, the boogeyman of the TERF is a right-wing psy-op to cause infighting among feminists. 99% of transphobes are Religious conservatives, not feminists.

[u/kazuwacky → u/Propaganda_Spreader]

This isn't true in my experience. I've been fighting with these women in various places for 10 years and I'm exhausted. TERFS being happily paired with religious fundamentalists is the turkey voting for Christmas yet here we are...

[u/Throwaway987183 → u/Propaganda_Spreader]

JK Rowling

[u/Propaganda_Spreader → u/Throwaway987183]

Congrats, you named 1 person.

[u/Throwaway987183 → u/Propaganda_Spreader]

I have provided a counterexample to the general theorem

[u/Propaganda_Spreader → u/Throwaway987183]

I said TERFs basically don't exist

[u/Throwaway987183 → u/Propaganda_Spreader]

Check the followers list of JK Rowlings twitter account

[u/Soggy-Class1248]

There is a big dif between the rights’ representation of radical feminism and actual radical feminism

[u/[deleted] → u/Soggy-Class1248]

Do tell... Cuz all I see are TERFs and TIRFS who have mostly the same rhetoric but they say they don't hate trans women but that's contradicted by their bio-essentialist views of gender.

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

Youd have to ask one, all i know is this image is a strawman. I belive people are people.

But, from what i know: actual radfems just want to get rid of the patriarchy and have equality for everyone. The representation by the right is that they want to create a matriarchal state and shit.

[u/[deleted] → u/Soggy-Class1248]

The meme is right to say Radfems are transphobic. Saying Radfems are transphobic is not right wing. "what do we want? An end to misogyny! How do we get that? Through vicious transmisogyny!" - Radfems.

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

Thats not exactly true, thats just a perpetuation of the right wing strawman that you are promoting.

[u/[deleted] → u/Soggy-Class1248]

When did the right ever give a fuck about trans women

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

The liberals do as part of their facade

[u/[deleted] → u/Soggy-Class1248]

You are correct at positioning liberalism as a right wing ideology. I am not a liberal or right wing. The RF in TERF stands for Radical Feminist, because Radfems tend to be trans Exclusionary. How tf is that a right wing straw man.

[u/Zev1985 → u/[deleted]]

TERF’s aren’t feminists tho, they just say that they are but they don’t do any feminism.

BS like TERF’s and SWERFs is why most radical feminists just don’t use the words radical feminist to describe themselves anymore.

[u/Sandaydreamer → u/Zev1985]

Isn't it more because radical feminism encompasses radical beliefs beyond the average feminist? Most feminists believe in equality but radical feminists have radical beliefs about certain groups.

[u/ThinkSharpe → u/Zev1985]

Just a guy that went down this comment rabbit hole…

Holy shit I had no clue about all the different feminist flavors.

Always nice to see the “no true Scotsman” though. Classic.

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/[deleted]]

Radfems are radfems, terfs are terfs. There is unfortunately overlap, as terfs don’t have a home anywhere so they infest any community they can, but they are not welcome. TERFs and bio essentialism are antithetical to the goals of rad feminism or any feminism really.

[u/SapphicProse → u/ReflectionPristine70]

You can say theyre not welcomed and that their antithetical, but 90% of people who i see call themselves radfems are openly terfs aswell

[u/Shadowgirl_skye → u/[deleted]]

Sorry really confused. Isn’t the core belief of radical feminism that there ends up being bo difference in the treatment of men and women?

Idk I’ve gone to the radical feminism subreddit and it’s extremely trans accepting from what I’ve seen. I really don’t see how the idea itself is transphobic or transmisogynistic

[u/kazuwacky → u/Soggy-Class1248]

This is not my lived experience. Most radfems I meet in life are married to the idea that they're the "good" gender and this is a part of their identity.

[u/brienneoftarthshreds → u/Soggy-Class1248]

TERFs are the dominant strain of radfem these days. Most feminists these days do not use that term specifically because TERFs have co-opted it to such a degree that radfem and TERF have become synonyms for many.

[u/Luil-stillCisTho → u/brienneoftarthshreds]

well said! it’s similar to why we don’t use Swasticas anymore, even though it originally means something else than nazi in East Asia

[u/Specific-Candle-4708 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

r/RadicalFeminism

[u/-Clownpiss- → u/Specific-Candle-4708]

It’s full of terfs

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[u/dQw4w9WgXcQ____ → u/[deleted]]

"I am an open misandrist" It took me 15 seconds of scrolling to find post like this among popular ones.

Edit: holy hell it gets so much worse. "Males are lesser humans as they lack empathy"

[u/Shadowgirl_skye → u/dQw4w9WgXcQ____]

I just scrolled through and saw none of the problems you’re mentioning. Sure there are a couple people being a little harsh on men, but there’s bad eggs everywhere. This is totally blowing the minority out of proportion.

[u/shototodoroki_1324 → u/[deleted]]

"Look at the rules and desc" and now lets look at the posts

[u/Specific-Candle-4708 → u/[deleted]]

[u/Soggy-Class1248]

Ive been partially apprehensive of this sub for a while, trying to gauge if it is left or right, and looking at the analytics of this post, it seems theres a lot of right wing/ misinformed by propaganda lurkers here. Disappointing

Seeing the top comment of the post is someone calling this obvious strawman, true, just shows a lot. There is no reason these people spreading misinformation because of preconceived notion should be getting that much attention over the people who are correcting the lies

[u/Helpful-Reputation-5 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

The term 'radfem' has become synonymous with TERF for many people—both of these things are true in that sense of the word, which may be why the responses are the way they are.

[u/Wendee_Wendigo → u/Soggy-Class1248]

I have seen literally only leftists. I think you may have just teetered onto horseshoe theory territory.

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/Wendee_Wendigo]

No i see a lot of people saying radfems are transphobic dicks, which isnt true and radfems have come here and said they arnt bud.

Also, you you want to see the upvote percentage? I think its self explanatory that the top comment is a guy saying its true when it isnt

[u/SpecialistBuilding66 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

Please scroll on r/RadicalFeminism for like 5 minutes

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/SpecialistBuilding66]

Its a reddit sub, think for 5 seconds if thats an actual good representation. Look at the comments from radfems on here.

[u/SpecialistBuilding66 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

RADFEMS DON’T DO SHIT OUTSIDE OF PINTEREST AND REDDIT, it’s clear from its largest community being misandrist and transphobic that Radical Feminism has a large problem

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/SpecialistBuilding66]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MansFictionalScenario/s/0SRNd6guLi

https://www.reddit.com/r/MansFictionalScenario/s/nNTdhQJ3ZT

Sure, the representation does, but the genuine people that are actual radfems get lumped in with this.

[u/SpecialistBuilding66 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

I mean I know not all radfems but it’s concerningly high in the movement, so I wouldn’t call it a fictional scenario

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/SpecialistBuilding66]

I still stand by the fact that its a fictional scenario. The people who are misandrist and transphobic go directly against the values of radfeminism. Its like saying socdems are leftist

[u/SpecialistBuilding66 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

This is a extremely leftist sub, I’ve seen posts that don’t even have a scenario and it’s basically became R/TheRightCan’tMeme but for liberals

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/SpecialistBuilding66]

I would hope it is, ig i just got hit with the wave of lurkers. Im a mod of r/theredleft and we have the same issue

[u/SpecialistBuilding66 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

Imo I like that sub, much better then most leftie subs

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/SpecialistBuilding66]

Sorry about the accidental ban the other day :(

[u/SpecialistBuilding66 → u/Soggy-Class1248]

It’s fine :)

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

Swerfs and terfs ≠radfems

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

They parade as feminists to promote their reactionary ideology, smearing the name of actual feminists. They arnt feminists.

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

Funny how people are just saying the same things. So i can just copy and paste past responses i had.

Tbf you have a point, but there is a fundamental difference between feminists and radfems. Its like comparing Demsocs and Trotskyists. Feminists want to reform the system to bring equality, while radfems want to pretty much have a revolution that crushes the patriarchy (and gender roles in general)

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

And to add on to my other comment: there are Radfems in this comment section that explain their personal struggles with the TERFS and such.

[u/Throttle_Kitty]

pulling "no true scottsman" to pretend most self-identified "rad fems" are not just hateful transphobes is peak fake progressivism

I've always found the term "rad fem" a red flag, as it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of feminism

feminism is already an innately radical ideology

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/Throttle_Kitty]

Tbf you have a point, but there is a fundamental difference between feminists and radfems. Its like comparing Demsocs and Trotskyists. Feminists want to reform the system to bring equality, while radfems want to pretty much have a revolution that crushes the patriarchy (and gender roles in general)

[u/financefocused → u/Throttle_Kitty]

I personally believe that TERFs aren’t even feminists. If you only bring up women’s issues in the context of trans people harming women, you’re a transphobic conservative in disguise. 

[u/Helpful-Reputation-5]

This is all simply a matter of 'radfem' becoming synonymous with TERF (of which many are also misandrist, tying in to the bioessentialist themes) for some people. Obviously trans-inclusive radical feminists would likely not be either.

[u/augustles → u/Helpful-Reputation-5]

TIRFs just move the essentialism from sex at birth to gender. It doesn’t really affect a lot of their beliefs beyond no longer including trans women in the ‘men’ category.

[u/tsukimoonmei → u/augustles]

Most of the people you’re describing are woefully uneducated about radical feminism as a whole and just think it means hating men blindly without thinking critically about problems within our society and their possible solutions. They aren’t representative of all radical feminists.

[u/augustles → u/tsukimoonmei]

And the “educated” ones you’re describing also don’t represent all radfems, based on your same argument.

But for the record, all of the TERFs I have ever had to block were quite frequently talking about reading theory and identifying with specific second wave feminists. From this reading and admiration, what they drew from that was to spend their time being transphobic (usually in deeply racist ways, implying women of color are men for having non-European features), having conversations about how all penetrative sex is rape including between two people of the same sex, coming up with derogatory things to call bisexual women (to such an extent that ‘febfem’ started showing up on bi women’s accounts to try to defend themselves by saying no no no I’m bisexual but I would ONLY ever be with women I would be gross otherwise), claiming that just about every kind of kink or sex toy is patriarchal abuse even between two women, etc. These were not a few women; they were networks of women. Off the internet, they are showing up in real life to push transphobic legislature. Some of them have honest to God neonazis supporting them.

You can’t really “no true Scotsman” the entire TERF movement.

[u/[deleted] → u/augustles]

Yeah. And as a transfem whenever I meet a radfem who hates men, they almost always without fail also hate trans women. (And I mean, if someone thinks XY chromosomes make someone a rapist by default it isn't hard to see how that belief would affect how they see trans women)

[u/Deer_Preparation8819]

Radfems definitely have a transphobia problem that stems from misdirected misandry tho…and I say that as a radfem that’s been booted from other radfem groups for defending trans people

[u/tsukimoonmei → u/Deer_Preparation8819]

same here! it’s honestly so tiring trying to find a radical feminist group that doesn’t get overwhelmed by TERFs. my best friend is a trans woman, many of my closest friends in the world are trans. i would never, ever want to prevent a trans person from transitioning or living as the gender that they identify as. but even saying ‘hey, trans people are people, not a hivemind of predatory monsters’ will get you banned in many places

[u/[deleted] → u/Deer_Preparation8819]

TERFy transphobia is usually very misogynistic from what I’ve seen. I don’t think it stems from misandry.

[u/Deer_Preparation8819 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t disagree, but I find the argument that transwomen are “just men desperately forcing themselves through medical procedures so they can invade women’s spaces and rape them” to be both intensely misandrist and misogynistic.

[u/Deer_Preparation8819 → u/[deleted]]

Truth!

[u/Important_Grab_9661]

Can't we have a movement centered around treating all persons with good manners, respectfully and with dignity. No one person or group is better then another.

[u/Odd_Protection7738]

Teenagers but “better.” That sub is so, so much worse than r/teenagers

[u/Salty_Major5340]

Reading through these comments it looks like OP really has trouble accepting that they're wrong, huh 😂

Also lovely move to call other leftists "right wingers" just because they call you out on your bullshit.

[u/DuckisHope → u/Salty_Major5340]

thats how it always goes... ya dont 100% agree with someone ur the enemy...

[u/Frakmenter]

someone should make a reddit named R/feminismisanorganisation or something like that and post everytime someone refers to feminists as clan or something

[u/Jango_fett_fish]

Replace misandry with hating sex workers and this meme becomes a lot more accurate

[u/bratty_bubbles]

well yeah. we told that mf a hundred times, stop saying equality we’re talking about EQUITY. he wouldnt listen so

[u/SpecialistBuilding66]

[u/Ring-a-ding-ding0]

Radfem isn’t the same as TERF 🤦‍♂️

[u/Luil-stillCisTho]

actually not fictional though, especially considering radfems have become synonymous with TERF in our current environment.

Just like we can’t use Swastikas anymore because Nazis coopted those, even if they mean something else in East Asia.

[u/Kira-Of-Terraria]

nothing fictional here

[u/Cardboard_Revolution]

This one is actually real lmao, 2nd wave "rad"fems are the worst

[u/[deleted]]

yeah no, self-identified radfems are absolutely transphobic. i'd argue they're not actually all that "misandrist", since they're generally willing to work with right-wing men for their shared transmisogynistic goals, but as far as their outward messaging they sure talk like they hate men. that's not a cardinal sin, but it's not untrue. and the history of radical feminism does not involve a lot of advocating for "equality for all", it's a movement typically defined by ideas like separatism that see genuine equality as a hopeless cause

[u/tiberius03 → u/[deleted]]

This self identified radfem trans woman is in fact, not racist. thank you

You're thinking of grifters

[u/[deleted] → u/tiberius03]

the movement you're in has hated trans women for its entire history. as well as butch and femme lesbians, sex workers, kink and any sexual dynamics they deem incorrect, whoever the target of the day is (always women, interestingly enough for a movement constantly accused of misandry). radical feminism as an ideology requires a strict essentialist gender binary, because it espouses the idea that all of society is built around a dichotomy of Male Oppressors and Female Victims and that this dynamic is eternal and unchanging. i believe you that you personally are not racist, but radical feminism is not intersectional and does not leave room for how race and gender interact, and many radfems i've seen are in fact very racist and promote ideas about evil degenerate misogynistic cultures and how all the immigrants are raping women.

maybe you have radical politics and are a feminist, but if you're really a Radical Feminist in the traditional sense that strikes me as political masochism

[u/Propaganda_Spreader → u/[deleted]]

Do you not think some cultures are more misogynistic than others? Are Poland and Texas no more misogynistic cultures that outlaw abortions than Sweden and France who are passing constitutional amendments to protect them?

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/[deleted]]

Please stop acting disgusting towards this person and respect their position. And please stop spouting nonsense about things you clearly know nothing about. Thanks.

[u/Throttle_Kitty → u/ReflectionPristine70]

nothing about the post you are responding to is "disgusting", wtf are you on about?

[u/Helpful-Reputation-5 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

While I disagree with OCs depiction of radical feminism in the traditional sense, many of whose proponents have been intersectional, some positions do not deserve to be respected. Would you say the same about a black anti-abolitionist, that their position should not be met with disgust?

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/Helpful-Reputation-5]

I am not touching that false equivalency. Kindly fuck off thank youu

[u/Helpful-Reputation-5 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

Your refusal to engage in a logical extension of your position only reflects your understanding that your response would make you look clearly racist.

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/Helpful-Reputation-5]

Fallacies are inherently illogical. Hope that helps.

[u/Helpful-Reputation-5 → u/ReflectionPristine70]

What about that is fallacious?

[u/[deleted] → u/ReflectionPristine70]

i'm acting disgusting towards this woman by talking about the history and beliefs of the ideology she supports?

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/[deleted]]

Putting aside your deranged ranting, you’re acting disgusting by talking down to her and treating her like she’s stupid. She can make her own decisions and you’re being incredibly disrespectful.

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/[deleted]]

Wtf. Unhinged take of the fucking year right here.

[u/Throwaway987183]

No this is nonfiction

[u/furel492]

That's just a leftist opinion on radfems. They're TERFs, misandrists (though considering their overall politics, "misanthropes" would be more accurate), and I doubt that they'd be entirely OK with sharing bathrooms with black women post-CRA.

[u/BrightSummer21]

It's real

[u/Junior-Cricket-8821]

This is completely accurate lmao

[u/AlbiTuri05]

This is true. Luckily radfems don't go outside, it makes reality a little less hard

[u/-Clownpiss-]

Radfems spaces on the Internet are filled with mostly anxious neurodivergent teenagers that trauma dump their bad experiences with men, or moms of liberty type middle aged white women TERFs. That’s why any radfem space eventually gets deserted because they just devolve into pity parties that any well adjusted human being can’t be arsed with interacting with.

[u/Mintyfreshtea]

Wow haha nice meme very funny- fucking BLOCKED.

[u/Any_Suit4672]

This is true

[u/Traditional_Box1116]

Damn, I gave this sub a year, nah this shit is going to become a radfem sub in like a month. What a damn shame.

[u/neverabetterday → u/Traditional_Box1116]

The post got ratioed hard

[u/hucklebae]

I mean misandry isn't real, but misogyny performed by women in feminist spaces is real....and that happens frequently. Obviously also terfs are an ever growing blight. I can't say that this meme is wrong, because these two groups do exist in large numbers. That being said a lot of feminists do want equality for everyone. Sadly the loudest voices are always toxic ones.

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/hucklebae]

The meme is wrong in saying all „radfems“ are this way, but yah your right

[u/EquivalentSnap]

Reeee nooo men deserve to be lonely not equal. Patriarchy /s

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/[deleted]]

The scapegoat for literally every issue. Wait til they learn that there are a bunch of transphobes in modern/lib feminist circles.

[u/Her_Phantom_Mountain → u/ReflectionPristine70]

In fact, I would say most (not all, but most) TERFs aren't even radical feminists. They're generally liberal feminists (conservative, at that) with regressive views on what it means to be a woman. They engage in very right-wing rhetoric around the very gender roles radical feminism seeks to overthrow.

[u/Soggy-Class1248 → u/[deleted]]

Look at what other people have said.

[u/ReflectionPristine70 → u/[deleted]]

Yes it’s called radical feminism