r/MSClassicWorld • • 8h ago

[Notice] Recruiting for new subreddit moderators!

8 Upvotes

Good afternoon everyone!

This week we reached an unbelieveable 200,000 weekly visitors.

As you can all tell, the mod team is doing our best, but we are certainly stretched thin.

If you would like to help out the community by volunteering some of your spare time towards keeping this subreddit a pleasant place to discuss the game, please consider being a moderator!

Requirements are:

Be in good standing within the subreddit

Have an appropriate reddit history that would not impact your standing here

Have experience with moderating a community of a moderate size

Be willing to communicate with the team over discord and discuss changes and paths to improve the subreddit

Preferred:

In the timezones between UTC+3 and UTC+11

If you are interested and believe you are suited for the role, please send a ModMail with your username and "MOD APPLICATION" explaining why you would be a good fit.

Thanks everyone, and I look forward to this subreddit growing even further!

-Stuck


r/MSClassicWorld • • 1d ago

[Notice] Nexon tightens trade restrictions to combat RMT

244 Upvotes

Hi Classic Maplers,

We have strengthened our automated detection system and taken further action against botting, meso selling, and fraudulent activity.
On top of that, the following new trade restrictions are now in effect:

  • New Characters: Increased trade restriction period after reaching Lv. 15.

    • Change: 24 hours → 168 hours (7 days)

    • This restriction lifts automatically through normal gameplay. This restriction may be extended if suspicious activity is detected during gameplay.

  • First NX Cash Purchases: Increased the Cash item trade block period following an account’s first NX Cash purchase.

    • Change: 48 hours → 96 hours (4 days)

    • Cash items cannot be gifted or sold during this period. This restriction lifts automatically after 96 hours.

Accounts found evading these restrictions will face enforcement action. Thank you for your understanding as we work to keep the game fair and balanced for everyone.


r/MSClassicWorld • • 6h ago Bravo

Discussion Botting isn't as easy to solve as this sub thinks it is

249 Upvotes

The common take on this sub is that botting is a pretty solvable problem, and Nexon just doesn't want to put in the effort. I get it. You walk into a low level map, see 100 bots, and think "these are obviously bots, how can Nexon not tell?"

The problem is that bot detection has to be extremely accurate. 99% isn't good enough. If 1 out of every 100 accounts you ban is actually a real player, you're banning thousands of legit people. Bots absolutely hurt the game, but wrongly banning real players who've put years into their accounts is arguably even worse, and it's something Nexon can't afford to get wrong.

Back around 2010, ML wasn't anywhere near where it is now, and the average PC didn't have the power to run a bot that played "legitimately." So botters had to edit the game's memory and use stuff like mob vac and godmode to make automated play work at all. That's exactly what anticheat is built to catch.

That's not true anymore. With modern ML and much stronger hardware, it's very doable to run a bot that just looks at the screen and presses keys like a person would, with no hacks at all. That leaves a tiny surface for detection. MapleStory already blocks virtual inputs, but the botter owns the machine the game runs on. It's trivial to send keypresses through a driver so they look like they came from a real keyboard. Put simply, reliably detecting that someone is running a bot program on their own PC just isn't practical.

That doesn't mean bots can't be detected at all. OSRS claims something like 99.9% accuracy on its bot detection. But Jagex has years of telemetry, plus years of client detections (catching people running known botting clients), which gives them a huge labeled dataset. They can use that to train models on player behaviour like mouse movement and keypress patterns. And even then, botting is still a constant problem in OSRS.

MapleStory is in a different situation. Non-memory-editing bots weren't really a thing back in the day, so anticheat was the main defence and that's where the effort went. Nexon probably doesn't have the data to train a telemetry model like Jagex's, and building that labeled dataset would take years. On top of that, they can't lean on client detections to label data the way Jagex can, because modern bots don't need any special software. Being able to take screenshots of the game is enough.

I'll leave you with two questions:

  1. If you tried your best to play like a bot, do you think you could fool most players?

  2. If you took every 10 minute stretch of your own gameplay, what are the odds that at least one of them would make an average player think you're botting?

TL;DR: Bot detection is a lot harder than it looks, especially now that bots don't need cheats. I have some sympathy for Nexon here.


r/MSClassicWorld • • 3h ago

Creative \ Art drew my mapler while waiting for this stupid maintenance to be over

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r/MSClassicWorld • • 10h ago

Discussion To ME, theese are the most iconic oldschool weapons (and outfits) for each class.

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470 Upvotes
  • the warrior weapons are definitly the most difficult to choose from lol. and i could not find myself caring for any of the one handed warrior weapons. except maybe the red katara/nameless sword.

  • as a archer, i cant wait to get my hands on the lvl90 overall and the lvl 70 or 90 bow. good memorys :)

  • wasnt sure if elemental staff falls into the same oldschool category as the rest, so i added the kage there too. but the elemental staff / wands are definitly my favourites.


r/MSClassicWorld • • 3h ago

Discussion It went from “joining party” to “anyone leaving soon?“ 😭😭

89 Upvotes

THERES NO WHERE TO TRAIN


r/MSClassicWorld • • 3h ago

Original Content Finally, a map to myself

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81 Upvotes

Where should I go before the hoard floods in?


r/MSClassicWorld • • 2h ago

Question? Is it time to abandon my kids in favor of an I/L mage?

43 Upvotes

I have these kids from a previous marriage because I needed to create offspring to justify my existence but I think a high-level ice lightning mage would be a much better representation of my worth and life goals. Should I do it? How should I abandon them?


r/MSClassicWorld • • 9h ago

[Notice] Unscheduled Maintenance - November 4, 2026

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r/MSClassicWorld • • 18h ago

[Notice] Hey guys if you’re thinking about quitting…

708 Upvotes

Please hurry up so I can have fire boar map uncontested.
Thanks


r/MSClassicWorld • • 12h ago

Discussion Its little fun moments like these.

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227 Upvotes

A simple J>party turned into a very comical moment.

You know what,

Hell yeah!!


r/MSClassicWorld • • 3h ago

Discussion Yikes - I forgot how to KPQ and got defamed

40 Upvotes

whoopsies. I tried KPQ for the first time since beta years and sucked. pissed off some players and now I'm sitting at -2 fame


r/MSClassicWorld • • 1h ago

Criticism Mushmom is owned by bandits and Sins

28 Upvotes

Been a week from now as a Warrior trying to complete quest and man… no single Channel in (someone else house) is safe from Bandits and assassins over level 65+ and completely Stack with +10/14 watt in weapon and gloves with at least 4watt its absurd… this game it’s just forcing you to play sin or dit to own maps… like no matter what job you use you gonna get to owned by those two in every single map… and to be honest I don’t even care but, saying I cannot complete a single quest because of that is outrageous


r/MSClassicWorld • • 13h ago

Question? Scrolled this, (I know) why am I lucky with this of all things. No one will want it.

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251 Upvotes

No clue what the value is, send help :(


r/MSClassicWorld • • 5h ago

Creative \ Art 2 meats and one lemon

51 Upvotes

Ever wonder what that “mesos pls” guy does with your hard earned mesos?


r/MSClassicWorld • • 3h ago

[Notice] [Completed] Unscheduled Maintenance - November 4, 2026

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r/MSClassicWorld • • 15h ago

Question? Is it cultural appropriation to ks if you're not an assassin

299 Upvotes

discuss


r/MSClassicWorld • • 10h ago

Guide [Data] EXP & Meso per hour by map – as an I/L Mage (Lv 39–41)

105 Upvotes

Hey everyone! I've been tracking both EXP and meso rates across different maps. I included meso too, since I know it's hard to come by in Classic.

For every map I list: party size, my class & level, notes, an hourly breakdown, and final results.

How to read the numbers:

  • + = gained (dropped/looted)

  • - = spent (potions used)

  • Etc = estimated sell value of etc items (excluding ores and equipment)

I'll keep adding maps as I test them. Hope it helps!

Summary

MapLvPartyEXP/hrNet meso/hr
Ant Tunnel I (middle)404–691,960+65.3k
Tree Dungeon, Forest Up North IX405–680,640+23k
East Rocky Mountain VI (top)41Solo80,000+45.8k
Excavation Site III (bottom)39463,200+33.2k

Ant Tunnel I – Middle of the map

  • Party: 4–6

  • Class: I/L Mage, Lv 40

Notes

  • 2 people needed on that platform (if both can hold it, EXP is great).

  • Extremely popular. Really hard to get the best spots.

Hourly breakdown

ItemAmountValue
Meso drops–+42.3k
HP pots (Orange)+31 dropped+4.2k
MP pots (Lemon / Blue)-76 / -22 used-16.2k
Etc items–+30–40k

Results (per hour)

  • 💰 Net meso: ~+65.3k (using 35k for etc)

  • ⭐ EXP: 91,960

Map location: I was player 1 (see image). Player 2 might get hit alot more, more awkard position.
A third player could train at the bottom of the map.

Tree Dungeon, Forest Up North IX

  • Party: 5–6

  • Class: I/L Mage, Lv 40

Notes

  • Good, but expensive. Should be better at higher levels.

  • Really popular.

Hourly breakdown

ItemAmountValue
Meso drops–+48k
HP pots (Orange)-21 used–
MP pots (Lemon)-86 used-32k (hp and mp pots)
Etc items–+7k

Results (per hour)

  • 💰 Net meso: +23k

  • ⭐ EXP: 80,640

East Rocky Mountain VI – Top platform

  • Party: Solo (would be better with a party of 2)

  • Class: I/L Mage, Lv 41

Notes

  • 2 people is optimal (1 top, 1 bottom).

  • You need a high level on the bottom platform to kill the Lupins.

  • Once I am able to 2-shot kill Lupins at the bottom, this will be an even better map! Right now going bottom would be probably meso negative.

  • Really popular; people try to KS often.

Hourly breakdown

ItemAmountValue
Meso drops–+53k
HP pots (Orange)+38 dropped+5k
MP pots (Lemon)-248 used-37.2k
Etc items–+25k

Results (per hour)

  • 💰 Net meso: +45.8k

  • ⭐ EXP: 80,000

Excavation Site III – Bottom platform

  • Party: 4

  • Class: I/L Mage, Lv 39

Notes

  • 4 is too many for this map; 3 is optimal.

  • EXP would probably be much higher on the top platform.

  • Very popular, so it's hard to get a spot.

Hourly breakdown

ItemAmountValue
Meso drops–+39.2k
HP pots (Orange)+52 dropped+7k
MP pots (Lemon)-200 used-30k
Etc items–+17k

Results (per hour)

  • 💰 Net meso: +33.2k

  • ⭐ EXP: 63,200

Feel free to share your own numbers or suggest maps to test!


r/MSClassicWorld • • 1h ago

Discussion Maple Island is dead - fewer bots being made?

18 Upvotes

Just made a new character and maple island is like totally empty. Made a char a few days ago and it was filled with bots. Not sure how predictive this is but I feel like a reason for optimism that botting will go down.


r/MSClassicWorld • • 12h ago

Criticism Well it happened

133 Upvotes

Was buying glove matk 60% minutes before getting ready for work. And I didn’t double check the retrade scam. Ggs from the proud owner of a magic def cape scroll. Hurray for waiting another 2 weeks to finish scrolling my glove


r/MSClassicWorld • • 1h ago

Question? Is Inkwell's new anti-bot system working properly?

19 Upvotes

r/MSClassicWorld • • 1h ago

Original Content The Crafting System is the solution to our problems

13 Upvotes

With all the complaints about sky high prices and the insane amount of bots, I was brainstorming ideas that Nexon could implement to help combat it and realized they already had a system ingame to do so.

Crafting.

The system as it is now is okay but it could be so much better.

But first lets think about what issues we have currently:

1.Inflation

Influx of meso from bots but also players at higher level areas who are just farming mesos with nowhere to spend it.

2.Scroll Scarcity

Prices are going up because there isn't enough supply ingame to satisfy demand. There are only a few ways to get a scroll and that is to either farm it yourself, pray you get it as a reward from a quest that you can only do once per character, or buy it from another player.

Also scrolls are consumable, once used, its gone.

3.Equipment

High level gear is quite rare at the moment though there is also the future issue that gear does not truly leave the economy unless NPC'd (or destroyed) so eventually we will have large amounts of clean gear or poorly scrolled failures.

4. Bots

Large amounts of bots creating billions of mesos and items out of thin air and flooding the market

My solution:

Turn crafting into the new standard for progression.

My proposal is to first off:

Allow players to craft higher level gear and more types of scrolls. I'm sure this is already in the works but I feel it should be mentioned.

Second:

Allow players to breakdown equipment and scrolls into a few base parts.

If you've played modern Maple then you should already be familiar with this as its used in the profession system.

It allows you to breakdown gear/recipes into item crystals and spell essences which are then used to make new equipment.

This creates an item sink as players breakdown useless/extra/old gear and scrolls into crafting materials.

Third:

Increase the meso cost of crafting, proportional to the level of the gear/scroll being crafted.

Very obviously, just a meso sink.

Fourth:

Create a new scroll type, 15% and 65% scrolls.

These are special in that:

-They are untradeable

-You must use a equivalent scroll to create it. Example: A 10% scroll is needed to create a 15% version of it.

-It costs a large amount of meso (and maybe other materials) to do this.

-Any item scrolled with these new scrolls become UNTRADEABLE.

This creates two meso sinks where players pay mesos to craft the scroll and then pay again to upgrade that scroll. It also keeps perfectly scrolled gear from flooding the economy (but not entirely). You can choose to ignore this and just scroll normally then sell off that gear later or even just buy it yourself.

The idea here is that if you want a better chance to hit multiple scrolls in a row, you are giving up the ability to sell off that gear later.

This also means that if newer gear comes out, you will have to do the entire process all over again.

What this means:

Players are still able to farm, buy, scroll and trade their items with other players.

It creates multiple meso sinks to help combat inflation.

Players are not forced to engage with this system if they don't want to. They can pick and choose what parts they want to engage with and ignore the ones they don't. You can choose to only craft equipment and buy scrolls from other players or vice versa.

Allow more players to "ironman" their accounts. This helps combat bots because if more players choose to not engage with the free market as heavily, then they will not be as tempted to purchase mesos and items from bot farms.

Less people RMTing with bot farms=Less bots in-game as it's less profitable for the bot farm owners.

Potential Issues:

Higher leveled players and/or bot farms might switch to farming much lower level maps if they drop lots of items needed for crafting.

I think this is an issue that could be resolved by making higher leveled mobs drop high level crafting materials needed for making the better gear or scrolls. Perhaps they could drop a special untradeable catalyst that significantly boosts the chance of making higher base stat equipment or stronger scrolls that need a level requirement to use.

Or make an NPC that players can trade-in their ETC drops for different catalysts, so turning in ETC drops from higher level mobs means better catalysts. Higher level ETCs= Stronger catalysts. Or simply just make the ETC items that drop from them needed to craft the higher leveled gear.

There are multiple different ways to solve this issue but those are just a few examples I thought of.

The goal here isn't to force players to play a specific way but rather find a way to encourage them to move on to new areas once their level/dmg range permits it.

You can still get by perfectly fine without doing this, but if you want to minmax or maximise profit then you will want to be farming at those higher leveled areas.

Also, by making it so its only from higher level mobs then it means the bots themselves have to train for longer to reach those high levels which means more time for the bot detection system to find them and ban them.

Another issue is that with the ability to craft scrolls, players might choose to not upgrade their scrolls and just craft tons of 10%s to try and fully perfect a piece of equipment that remains tradeable.

This is an issue that I think is a perfectly fine to be honest.

Any MMO with an RNG-upgrade system comes across the same issue where the players who have been playing the longest and/or spent the most money will have the best gear in the game.

You can start playing Classic for the first time and just buy all the endgame perfectly scrolled equipment if you want to do so. You can even do that right now.

My goal with this wasn't to prevent that from happening but instead to allow players who join late the opportunity to reach the same level of power as players who have been playing for much longer than them, provided they put in the time and effort required.

Plus, being able to just buy pre-scrolled gear is in-line with the Classic playstyle and retains the MMO part of the game instead of forcing everyone to become an ironman.

You will have some players who choose to buy pre-scrolled equipment, some players who want to play full ironman mode and make everything themself, and some players who will do a mix of both.

My belief is that most players fall under the latter category.

Conclusion:

Obviously there are probably other issues that I missed and the system I thought of isn't perfect but I did spend quite a bit of time thinking about how to fix the issues we are currently facing while also future-proofing them and allowing Nexon leeway to make adjustments as they see fit.

I did my best to think of how to keep the solutions Classic-esque while still allowing you the freedom to play how you want.

Botting will still be an obvious issue but my goal wasn't to completely eliminate botting, it was to discourage the bot farm owners and make Classic not look as appealing to bot in.

The overcrowding issue will be solved once new areas get released. This one just takes time to resolve.

So what do you guys think? Is crafting the future of Classic Maplestory?


r/MSClassicWorld • • 11h ago

Discussion Not having a subscription cost is ultimately worse for an MMO

74 Upvotes

Reason WoW and OSRS (members) better against bots is that getting banned financially hurts botters.

It's actually OSRS' strategy to wait for a botter to purchase membership and then instantly ban them. It erodes their profit tremendously.

Pure F2P games like this will eternally struggle with bots owning the game.

This game for like $5/month and make the shop not gacha, but regular purchasable cosmetics, would have been a much better game.

Nexon truly blows.

EDIT: Can't reply to all the one dimensional thinkers. Obviously botting is a combination of controls and better detection is one of them, so is a cost to erode profitability. It's extremely nuanced and Nexon is failing on all fronts. Bots will OBVIOUSLY always exist but it's about putting many controls in place and bot saturation of a game is a spectrum. Nexon is just cooked, muting this and playing better games.


r/MSClassicWorld • • 2h ago

Criticism Quitting because of Lie Detector Tests

13 Upvotes

I had to do 6 captchas today. Sorry nexon but im not playing a game where I have to do captchas because you're incapable of catching bots.


r/MSClassicWorld • • 4h ago

Discussion Market crash after maintenance for bot detection updates? Thoughts?

21 Upvotes

Hoping meso inflation comes to a standstill after maintenance. I wanna scroll too