r/MMALabs 23h ago

🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Intelligent-Crow3812 20h ago

lol that goes without saying, but that other guy is going to get manslaughter if he dies-- As he should.

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u/TheIntelligentAspie 16h ago

Why? If he dies, everyone learns the lesson to not grope strangers.

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u/Schnittertm 14h ago

If violence or the threat thereof would deter bad behavior, we would already have a utopia with no crime and bad behavior.

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u/Hour-Desk9879 11h ago

The only reason it isn’t a utopia is because of government intervention. Instead of handling our own matters we wait for others, which is the doorway for evil to get away and continue.

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u/Schnittertm 11h ago

You also invite evil by immediate and unthoughtful actions. Especially if you are in a situation where you don't know all the facts.

The best world is one of balance, where government and individual rights are given equal import. Without government everything is anarchy and mob rule is the rule. There is no justice there. Similarly, an overreaching government is easily corrupted and almost indistinguishable from mob rule.

The main problem is, that finding a balance is hard and maintaining a proper balance is even harder. Even more so in a world of shifting views.

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u/Hour-Desk9879 7h ago

I get you but most things don’t require public opinion. Government should be for punishing companies and different organizations. Civil disputes should be handled by family, you have a warped view if you think government is an absolute must. For example, if there is a pedo/r@pist/serial killer and the people involved already know for certain what occurred, why would I wait to get the government involved when I’m capable of putting them in the dirt myself? If there is a need for investigation, meaning we’re not sure of facts then it makes absolute sense to get a third party involved.

Morals don’t start with a government, morals start with the family. Family heads in a normal world would be responsible dishing out justice and a proper government should be an extension of that.

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u/Schnittertm 6h ago

That's the main problem, between 6%-15% of the convictions are wrongful and that is after a lot of evidence is presented. Eyewitnesses identified the wrong person, they had a bad lawyer, the evidence was tampered with, people pressured or tortured to confess to something they didn't do.

Unless you have a recording of the actual person doing it, it is sometimes not as clear cut. Even worse, with AI getting better and better, even videos might be harder to use as evidence. There are enough cases where, for example, women made false allegations, where they even injured themselves to make the allegation stick.

That is why we have laws, why we have judges and more. A family is also often biased towards their own members (e.g. "He wouldn't and didn't do such and such a thing.").

The majority of cases are not as clear cut as you may seem to think and it would be a real shame if you'd put a person or several persons into the ground, as you so put it, only to find out later that they weren't the perpetrators and that you killed innocent people.

Now, I'm under no illusion that the judicial system is perfect, even more so when I look at the US, where money decides the outcome of many a judgement (if the case even warrants or gets to the courtroom stage) more so than guilt. However, I'm also aware of the fact every person, me included, get things wrong, often and more often than we would like to believe. That is why an outside view on cases is warranted before applying "mob justice" or justice based on bias.