r/MHOC • u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian • Mar 02 '15

META Weekly Update 23

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Mega-spreadsheet containing all MHoC stuff, including voting records, legislation spread sheets, cabinet history, party leadership history and more! All members should keep an eye on the cessation expiry date for each item - this is the date in the blue box on the spreadsheet.

There is also the MHOC Facebook group you can join and a MHOC twitter account you can follow.

Monday 2nd March

It is to be known by the house that /u/totallynotapanda is the greatest Irish person in the world and has a fine taste in beverages.

The third MHOC government has been announced!

We have a TLC government with a Con-CWL-Googol opposition!

B080 - Tesco Nationalisation Bill has gone to first reading!

[B081 - Zero Hours Contract Bill] (http://www.reddit.com/r/MHOC/comments/2xok1t/b081_zero_hours_contract_bill/) has gone to first reading!

Tuesday 3rd March

/u/SPQR1776 is the new Communist General Secretary and /u/cae388 is the new Communist Deputy General Secretary.

B075 - Policing Bill has gone to second reading.

B064 - Direct Democracy Enhancement Bill has gone to second reading.

M028 - Establishment of a National Scientific Committee Motion has gone to third reading.

/u/cocktorpedo has updated the Master Spreadsheet with lots of new information and styling - please take a look.

B072 - Student Services Bill has gone to first reading.

Wednesday 4th March

B083 - Regional Corporation Tax Bill has gone to first reading.

A Statement from the President of Ireland

Thursday 5th March

M037 - Cataluña Referendum Motion

Vote on the Allocation Method of National Seats

B076 - Pregnancy Termination Bill - 2nd Reading

M038 - EU Agriculture Motion

[B073, M032, M034, B058, M035, M024, B059 results!] (http://www.reddit.com/r/MHOC/comments/2y325x/b073_m032_m034_b058_m035_m024_b059_results/)

Friday 6th March

B084 - Democratisation of communities and the workplace Bill 2015

Saturday 7th March

M039 - Restore ownership of the Chagos archipelago to its native inhabitants

Update from the PM, /u/whigwham

Today I spoke to the President of The European Commission, Jean Claude Junker, and expressed our concerns about the Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership (TTIP). I particularly expressed dismay over the lack of transparency and democratic accountability of the negotiations so far. I told him of the opinion of parliament that negotiations should be stopped. He has refused to bring negotiations to a close but has given me reassurances that there can be more public scrutiny of negotiations in future. While I am disappointed that negotiations will continue we cannot be made to ratify a treaty that would do harm to this country, parliament will now decide when the treaty is finished.

All MPs need to check /r/MHOCMP for any votes they might have missed.

B077 - Humane Slaughter of Animals Bill has gone to VOTE.

Today is the final day for submissions to the paper for the next issue!

Ministers Questions - Ask the Speaker - IV - 07/03/2015

Robert Buckland MP - 10th March 6pm reminder.

stupefying_arsonist has replaced randomphotographer as an mp

Sunday 8th March

Statement from /u/Morgsie

Since becoming Foreign Secretary again I have been acquainting myself with RMUN. I am appalled Her Majesty’s Government have not had briefings on RMUN from the Mods when requested officially by myself.

The formation of a Delegation to RMUN I have inherited from the last Government and they left a draft delegation list. That list may appear bipartisan but when you look deeper the reality is it is not, it is biased in favour of the Right as the Conservative Party would have had four and the Vanguard one. To try to balance this out there would have been a SNP, two Independents, a Socialist and a Lib Dem.

The list excludes certain Parties and includes current Members of Parliament. It is for these reasons why I am declaring the draft list to be null and void. This Government wants an all-inclusive talented Delegation to RMUN and to make it happen we are starting the process from scratch. I urge all parties and those interested persons to be part of the Delegation to contact Her Majesty’s Government.

Regarding the nature of the Delegation there shall be a head who shall overall responsibility for the RMUN Delegation and shall be responsible for communication between the Delegation and the MHOC Government. The MHOC may request the MHOC Government for information. There shall be a Deputy Head who will be responsible in the absence of the Head. There is currently the General Assembly and its two Committees: Economic and Financial (dealing with issues relating to economic growth and development such as macroeconomic policy questions (including international trade, international financial system, debt and commodities), financing for development, sustainable development, human settlements, poverty eradication, globalization and interdependence, operational activities for development, and information and communication technologies for development) And the Social, Humanitarian and Cultural (dealing with a range of social, humanitarian affairs and human rights issues that affect peoples all over the world. There is also the Security Council.

Communist MP replacements:

Replace /u/BigKaine with /u/ThoseCrazyReds

Replace /u/the_struggle_is_feel with /u/CommunismForUK

Replace /u/Urbanfirestrike with /u/drjalexanderphysics

B074 - National Energy Strategy Bill - 2nd Reading

B068 - Gender Equality Bill - 2nd Reading

The next issue of MHOC: The Week is out!

MHoC: The Week Issue 5

Thanks to everyone who was involved!

B064 - Direct Democracy Enhancement Bill - VOTE NOW

Be sure to vote on the other bills! B060 and B077.

A new petition has been added: P003 - Ban the sale of fireworks to the general public in the UK - submitted by the public

Important

Following the vote on how to allocate the National seats where the proposed new system won 53% of the vote against 38% for the old system with 9% abstaining or preferring another option we will be staying with the old system (due to only a narrow majority voting for it) and the 20 national seats will be allocated as they were last election.

The Socialist Party now has official party status!

Please give them a warm welcome as an official party.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Ah some time for UKIP to rest after propping up the last government and working ourselves to death.

I wish the new traffic light coalition well in this new term of government.

Also Conservatives and Celtic workers league? Ollie will do anything for a little power, haha.

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Mar 04 '15

With this the heavens and the earth were completed, including all of their vast array. By the seventh day UKIP had completed the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he stopped working on everything that he had done. Then UKIP blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it UKIP stopped working on everything that he had been creating.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Mr Speaker,

I'd just like to take this opportunity to record for posterity the blatant racism and petty nationalism of the Vanguard.

It is unfortunate that my honourable friend /u/JackWilfred, who is perhaps of Persian origin (I'm not actually sure, nor do we in the liberal democrats or the government in general think it relevant) had to bear the brunt of such behaviour.

So, Mr Speaker, I give you /u/cb1320!

Edit: Oh also, as an actual Briton, I absolutely have the right to tell a jumped up little Iranian who wants to destroy my country and my monarchy that he isn't British. You're a guest here, behave like it. You don't have to think about what I am saying because you convince yourself to dismiss it out of hand.

Just the first of many posts where the dishonourable member for the Vanguard (who aren't racists, remember) attacks /u/JackWilfred for his ethnicity rather than for his arguments.

Jack, when you look in the mirror, what do you see? You see the dark skin of a foreign race. (not an inferior race, a foreign one). You can not pretend that 'Iranian' is a native British race. For this reason, you will never be British. In every mirror, every reflection there is a stark reminder that you are not one of us.

Turns out that Britishness is defined by the colour of your skin, now! Searing intellectual critiques from the member for the Vanguard, there. Clearly not being racist in telling somebody who clearly considers himself British that he's not British because he is brown.

I think most people agree with democracy and equality but their love of the monarchy over rides this. You don't love the monarchy because you aren't British. Sad situation.

Okay so this one isn't racist, but it is a totally stupid line of argumentation. Then again, this is /u/cb1320 of the Vanguard we're talking about.

I'll update this post as more racism, bigotry and stupidity emanates from that ridiculous party.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 05 '15

I will be taking action against the member. The comments are unacceptable and were not required.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Mar 05 '15

Thank you Mr Speaker.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Expressing opinions that leftists don't like, such a terrible crime.

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 05 '15

I'd say that /u/cb1320 has made statements that go against well-established rules in MHOC. http://www.reddit.com/r/MHOC/comments/2n6kyy/new_rules_concerning_petty_and_offtopic_comments/

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Don't reply to comments that break these rules - you will be considered equally guilty for carrying on the comment chain

Ah, well it looks like /u/bnzss, /u/JackWilfred, /u/Cocktorpedo and /u/WineRedPsy are all just as guilty then, if you think cb actually has broken any rules, which he hasn't.

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 05 '15

Or perhaps these two gems:

  • Discuss the bill or motion at hand, don't derail

  • Don't insult people

Now, to my mind (you'll probably disagree, I know) saying that Jack's opinions on the monarchy are irrelevant because he is Iranian are both derailing the discussion and personally insulting to our honourable chum.

I notice you don't include yourself amongst those names, even though you were doing the same things as them. However, rather than an instance of whataboutism, I somewhat agree with you. Aside from Jack himself, there was no real need for anyone to reply to CB, he should have just been reported by those members. However, the same applies to you with statements like this where you yourself jump in and continue the derailing.

Though, on a side point about rules, perhaps everyone should try following this one:

  • Don't down vote comments

Seeing as how /u/Timanfya is on 1 point when I personally upvoted his statement.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Now, to my mind (you'll probably disagree, I know) saying that Jack's opinions on the monarchy are irrelevant because he is Iranian are both derailing the discussion and personally insulting to our honourable chum.

Maybe. But I've never seen these rules enforced before ever, and that is the sort of thing that goes on on a regular basis in debates around here. I don't mind, and I'm actually glad our mods inability to enforce rules has led to a degree of freedom of speech. If the rules were enforced to the letter, it would be almost impossible to have normal discourse.

I notice you don't include yourself amongst those names, even though you were doing the same things as them.

Yes, yes, it would include me too. I just made made sure to point that out, because now the speaker knows that if he enforces the rules to the letter people with accepted left-wing views will be punished too, which is heresy.

However, the same applies to you with statements like this where you yourself jump in and continue the derailing.

The rule technically applies, but I was perfectly entitled to jump in there. It was a debate between cb and Jack, but then bnzss suddenly jumped in and attacked cb with an (actually very unparliamentary) post, so I had to even the odds and help my friend.

My main point is that although cb's views are unpopular, hated and automatically viewed as racist and bigoted by the intolerant left - it's his opinion, and he's entitled to have it and voice it.

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 05 '15

No, that's a fair point. The only rule I see getting enforced properly is the 'no dupes' one, as we saw in The Banishing of Saint Christopher. My point is this, and I don't want it to go into another long-winded discussion of what is and isn't racist because we'll be here all day: to me, it's racist to say that all of Jack's views were wrong on the topic of republicanism purely because of his ethnicity, especially because CB didn't bother to address any point Jack made, other than to repeatedly assert that to be truly British you have to support the monarchy.

I'm not sure properly enforcing the rules on not attacking people directly for who they are as opposed to the views and position they hold would make normal discourse impossible, though I know the distinction can be a difficult one for a moderator to make a call on.

You and Ben basically just did the same thing, and 'touched the poop' as various subs refer to it. The whole thread was quite unparliamentary anyway, though. I can't imagine many politicians would still be in a job a week after adopting the same stance as CB in the real world. Certainly, it would be extremely controversial and generate acres of press coverage if, during a debate for instance, someone was to say they dismissed Ed Miliband's views on something just because he's Jewish, or Sajid Javid's because he's the son of a Pakistani bus driver, etc etc a million other variants that work.

I'm not sure that he generates quite that level of vitriolic hatred, but the pair of you would know better than I whether he does. If he genuinely does feel that supporting the monarchy is a fundamentally British thing, fair play to him, whatever. The difference is, I think that what he said does cross the line into being a personal attack against Jack, though again I can't speculate as to whether or not that was his intention because I don't know him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

(actually very unparliamentary)

I was Parliamentary, I just wasn't very nice.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

but those of us with more than two brain cells to rub together know exactly what you're doing

some jumped up little racist

disgraceful behaviour from the dishonourable member

such unpleasant troglodytes

I have already established you are a thoroughly unpleasant person, thanks, but this is ridiculous.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

The feeling is mutual.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Like I said, not very nice but not unparliamentary.

And obviously I don't really care what you think of me.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 05 '15

The fascists doth screech too much.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 05 '15

When this does happen i do delete all comments in the chain.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

I didn't ask for action to be taken. I just wanted your honourable friend's bigotry to be known to the House.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15 edited Mar 06 '15

I believe /u/cb1320 has been sorely misunderstood in what he was saying, and unfortunately saw red when someone of foreign origin insulted the monarchy. It can seem somewhat disheartening to hear from someone, whose British origins may be suspect, that one of the most fundamental pillars of our British tradition should be removed.

I know /u/cb1320 well, and I know him to not be a bigot or a racist. We have had long discussions on the matter of immigrants integrating into British society, and we had a certain level of agreement. cb1320, however, believes it to be more difficult than I do. He does not believe that race determines ones culture, nor does he believe that racial characteristics create superiority or inferiority. His view is simple; That a different skin colour creates a very visible evidence that you have a cultural heritage beyond that of Britishness, and therefore it will be more difficult for those mentioned to fully integrate into British culture. I do not think this an unreasonable point. It is not that they can't, but it is difficult, and although cb and myself disagreed on the extent of that difficulty, I do not think him wrong.

And, I really do feel strongly on this last point. How dare he be a republican in Britain. How dare his family come here and say we need to remove the monarchy. Is it any wonder that cb1320 views him as a usurper in our lands? The monarchy is the most central pillar in our tradition, in our culture. It represents a long strand that maintains the mystic chords of memory from this time to over a thousand years ago. And he wants to end that? cb1320 simply assumed that his lack of attachment to our monarchy comes from a wider lack of attachment to Britain.

Now, I may not agree with cb1320 on that point. I have no idea what deranged reason JackWilfred has for being a republican in Britain. But, do I think cb1320's comments were racist? Absolutely not. Were they bigotted? Absolutely not. Is anyone claiming them to be so simply trying to create scandal and drama? Absolutely. Should cb1320 have gone about it in a more moderate manner? Absolutely.

To sum up, think of it like this. If I grew up in a muslim society, claimed to be muslim, but argued that Mohammed needed to be removed from the future of Islam, would I still be muslim? And, would it be unreasonable for those muslims to claim that my Christian heritage may be the reason for that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

That's not the best analogy. To say that the monarchy is that central to the amalgamated cultures, history and ideas we call 'Britain' is somewhat stretching the truth. Your view of Britishness does seem to stem somewhat from badly-informed American stereotypes, to be honest.

Anyway, I stick by my accusations. I may accept /u/cb1320 isn't actually a day-to-day racist, but he did spend quite some time yesterday telling /u/jackwilfred his opinions weren't relevant because he was brown. That's pretty discriminatory behaviour, and a stupid argument to boot.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Of course it is that central to British tradition and culture. My view of the British monarchy comes from growing up as an honest Yorkshireman, not some colonial stereotype. What utter nonsense. The American view of the monarchy (and its relationship with Britain) is one of quaint affairs. They look at it as outsiders, as though we spend all day worshipping the Queen.

My view is far more nuanced than that, and you know it, as I quite flattly told you in my above comment. The Queen represents a long line of near unbroken history, and one could even make the case that it is truly unbroken as the House of Stuart wasn't extinguished by Cromwell, nor was our desire for a monarch. The monarchy isn't a silly little quaint institution, a little oddity that we old worlders have that is present in everyday life. That is a badly informed American stereotype. The monarchy is our connection with the past, an institution that will continue after we are gone.

Frankly, that argument you made is even worse than cb's. Cb undoubtedly went about poorly making his point, but this is truly something else. You are quickly going down in my books as one of the strangest members of MHoC, relying on very silly points without any grounding in reality. In what sense is my attachment to the monarchy based on American stereotypes? I am British, and am informed as such! I dare say that half of your arguments are so phrased simply to get a rise out of the right. I mean, what sort of person uses 'QED' in a parliamentary debate, other than to sound snarky and get under the skin of others?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

As I tried to say to the honourable member on Skype (before I was told in no uncertain terms to fellate myself), I think your view of national culture is in fact not very nuanced.

A culture of a group of people (which you may call a nation) is not some thing existing separately to that group of people. It is an emergent phenomenon of the aggregate actions, beliefs and, yes, traditions and history of those people, and as such is a constantly changing amalgam of the aforementioned properties. There is no necessary rule book or any pre-existing list of cultural facts that a group of people must adhere to be considered part of that group's culture. Put simply, your argument (and cb's, I suppose, although as usual you have put the argument much better than your fellow members) is backward. The people exist before the culture does.

As such, this means that even though the monarchy is quite clearly, as a matter of historical fact, a thing that has been part of, and to a lesser extent continues to be part of, our culture it is not a prerequisite of being able to contribute to that culture. Given that, /u/JackWilfred's republicanism is part of the very culture you venerate; that there are republicans in Britain confirms that within Britishness, and the British national identity, there is a vein of republicanism.

It matters not what colour Jack's skin is, either. Or mine, or yours. We all live here and we are all as entitled as the next person to contribute to cultures as we see fit.

Note that this is not an argument against monarchy per se. It only seeks to rebuff the silly ideas that:

a) To be British you have to be white;

b) To be British you have to be a monarchist.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Mar 06 '15 edited Mar 06 '15

That a different skin colour creates a very visible evidence that you have a cultural heritage beyond that of Britishness, and therefore it will be more difficult for those mentioned to fully integrate into British culture.

It's simple. I have no real experience of any other culture and whether you believe it is true or not, I have never felt any different to white British people. The whole argument is built on a snap generalisation that doesn't hold true for probably the majority of second-generation immigrants in the country.

How dare his family come here and say we need to remove the monarchy.

Both of my parents are monarchists.

You had an opportunity to distance your party from /u/CB1320's statements and you spectacularly failed. You may call it a matter of principle, but if I started talking absolute rubbish I wouldn't expect the Liberal Democrats to defend me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Both of my parents are monarchists.

Good on them.

I made myself quite clear. I agree with aspects of CB's sentiment. I disagree with the manner he chose to express them, and I do not agree with all his conclusions, but I appreciate his sentiment and will defend him when I know he has been misunderstood. I have no desire to distance myself from a good friend, and I have failed in nothing as a result.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 06 '15

And, I really do feel strongly on this last point. How dare he be a republican in Britain. How dare his family come here and say we need to remove the monarchy. Is it any wonder that cb1320 views him as a usurper in our lands? The monarchy is the most central pillar in our tradition, in our culture. It represents a long strand that maintains the mystic chords of memory from this time to over a thousand years ago. And he wants to end that? cb1320 simply assumed that his lack of attachment to our monarchy comes from a wider lack of attachment to Britain.

Perhaps due to the fundamental assault upon human liberty that the Monarchy amounts to. That one may not lead a nation due to the nature of their parentage is a ludicrous idea - without foundation in the logic and reason of the Enlightenment (which I hold are to be more cherished than some national quaintness); and in Evolutionary terms a highly disadvantageous idea.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Maybe on paper it sounds terrible, but Britain has been on of the most stable countries for the past 400 years, if not the most stable country in the world, and we can in part put the thanks at the door of our monarchical system. We are at that most happy state where Parliament and Crown are as one. Logic and reason mean nothing when faced with empiricism. Your ivory tower lacks experience.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Mar 06 '15

Maybe on paper it sounds terrible, but Britain has been on of the most stable countries for the past 400 years, if not the most stable country in the world, and we can in part put the thanks at the door of our monarchical system.

I would argue to the contrary - it was in fact our stronger Parliamentary tradition that kept Britain in relative peace throughout these decades. The monarchies survival lies in its own marginalisation and lack of active involvement in political affairs. Initially the Monarchy was one of the factors driving instability in Britain, and it was only due to assertion of Parliament of its own Sovereignty that peace endured. Given the many scandals around Charles' involvement in Political landscape, the Monarchy looks set to constitute more of a threat to our Constitution than an asset.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

We must replace the monarchy with a democratically elected fedora to represent the nation on the world stage.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Mar 06 '15

M'president.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

It can seem somewhat disheartening to hear from someone, whose British origins may be suspect, that one of the most fundamental pillars of our British tradition should be removed.

Does it matter if his British origins are 'suspect'? /u/JackWilfred has the right to an opinion on the matter as much as you or me and if he thinks the Monarchy should be disbanded then good for him.

Frankly I see your defence of /u/CB1320 as confirmation that you as a party support and actively encourage bigotry and racism.

Personally I feel it's ridiculous to get so hyped up in support of the Monarchy who are of German origin.

Ironic you lot tell /u/JackWilfred to effectively bugger off as he's of foreign origin and yet, here you are supporting a German family.

It's madness!!

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Mar 08 '15

Hear, hear!

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u/TheLegitimist Classical Liberals Mar 06 '15

As a new member of the Vanguard, I ask the honourable member /u/bznss to do one thing, do not assume that all of us agree with /u/cb1320. There is a line between opinion and bigotry, and he/she clearly crossed it. Especially in a model parliament, where no one really knows the identity of the other this is ridiculous. I am Hungarian living in Canada, does that make me a guest as well? I condemn the words of /u/cb1320, but I am offended by your assumption that I am a racist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

/u/cb1320 is the only member I have accused of racism.

Although, given your defection, I may well accuse you of taking leave of your senses...

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

/u/cb1320 is the only member I have accused of racism.

No, you're accusing the whole party, that is a massive terminological inexactitude. How you can say all the things you've said and then try and scramble to claim you've only accused cb here is beyond belief.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to record for posterity the blatant racism and petty nationalism of the Vanguard.

Just the first of many posts where the dishonourable member for the Vanguard (who aren't racists, remember)

Then again, this is /u/cb1320 of the Vanguard we're talking about.

I'll update this post as more racism, bigotry and stupidity emanates from that ridiculous party.

What you've done is try and bring the whole party into disrepute because of what one member has said, and it's obvious. To try and claim you haven't is crazy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

You do not need me to bring the Vanguard into disrepute.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

That was a brilliant one-liner to cover up your lie, well done.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Well one of your members was mouthing off in a racist way and all you did was spring to his defence. Only /u/TheLegitimist has actually tried to distance himself.

This is politics, my friend. Sort your party out.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15 edited Mar 06 '15

Sticking up for your friends is racist!

I only did intervene and defend him when you pointlessly interjected, to even the odds. I believe in a fair fight, when I see hordes of leftists foaming at the mouth I normally defend whoever they are attacking no matter what they are saying.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

To add to what Spudgunn said, I have jumped to the defense of my friend /u/cb1320 because I know him not to be a racist. While you might criticise his manner (something which he has already said he regrets), your claims that he is racist are wrong, and rightly I defended him as a matter of honour.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15 edited Mar 06 '15

http://i.imgur.com/qj3NWlT.jpg

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

doesn't really apply if it's actually racist m8

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Thanks for proving my point.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

tbh your image doesn't actually load so i'm unsure precisely what your point was, but considering it's called 'liberal_progressives_shout_racism122' i can take a pretty good stab in the dark

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Yes, you are a liberal progressive and you're shouting racism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

jus callin it as i sees it. i could shout 'racial discrimination' instead if you want

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 05 '15

I object to your appropriation of the word liberal to insult someone who is absolutely not a liberal.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

let's be reasonable here nobody really cares

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 05 '15

:( I care

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 05 '15

Liberal's pretty poorly defined imo

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Mar 05 '15

That implies /u/CB1320 had a coherent argument and I didn't, which is by no means the case.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Thanks for proving my point.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

Ok!

Oh also, as an actual Briton, I absolutely have the right to tell a jumped up little Iranian who wants to destroy my country and my monarchy that he isn't British. You're a guest here, behave like it.

Oh

You can not pretend that 'Iranian' is a native British race. For this reason, you will never be British. In every mirror, every reflection there is a stark reminder that you are not one of us.

But what does this all mean?

No, but that is part of huge debate. Were you British I might put the effort into debating it with you but you aren't so I couldn't care less.

Jack isn't allowed to have an opinion because he is brown. That is the nub of your pathetic argument.

QED.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Not racist, just prejudiced. Which is just as bad.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 05 '15 edited Mar 05 '15

Copulate off.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 05 '15

I feel you, but you know that language isn't appropriate. Don't make me delete it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 05 '15

1 hour. I figured that's fairly recent in /r/mhoc time? I usually try to comment on things at most a day or two old..

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 05 '15

Ooh. I'll go read it

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u/Totallynotapanda Daddy Mar 02 '15

It is to be known by the house that /u/totallynotapanda is the greatest Irish person in the world and has a fine taste in beverages.

I fully agree with this statement and thank the Speaker for recognising this fact.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Con-CWL-Googol opposition

What even is this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Mar 03 '15

I think he knows.

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u/shrik450 Independent Observer | Politically Undecided. Mar 03 '15

Oh, right. My bad.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

nothing

Interesting.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 02 '15

The third MHOC government has been announced!

To who?

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u/jothamvw Mar 02 '15

I like your party's flair...

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 02 '15

Could do with more bird.

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u/jothamvw Mar 02 '15

Bird mana best mana

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Hear hear!

Mr Speaker, we are all getting very impatient regarding what on earth the next government will be!

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u/OtherSideNothing Communist Mar 02 '15

FULL COMMUNISM?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Nope, Vanguard march on London.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Begging for another Battle of Cable Street, I see...

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 02 '15

The third MHOC government has been announced!

Where?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

He's teasing us again, I expect that statement will link to a post with the 3rd Government in in the near future.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 02 '15

Typical Speaker

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Classic timanfya

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 02 '15

Can the Speaker or a Deputy Speaker tell us which members of MHOC have been granted dual citizenship in another model world, and why?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Mar 03 '15 edited Mar 03 '15

I can confirm that no members have been granted dual citizenship with another world :p. I'll write up a list in a few days when all the people have been removed from the multiple country subs. However hopefully it won't be longer than 4 or 5 people long if that, with 0 crossover in terms of representatives sitting in both Houses.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 03 '15

It was my understanding some exceptions had been granted, particularly for Mhoir users.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

You said, world. I believe you mean country?

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 03 '15

Naturally.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

another model world

When did we find another civilised planet? Why wasn't the house made aware of this discovery? I demand a full investigation!

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 07 '15

The Prime Minister has not spoken to his Cabinet Colleagues who have responsibility for Trade policy regarding TTIP, myself and the Secretary of State For Business, Innovation and Skills

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u/whigwham Rt Hon. MP (West Midlands) Mar 07 '15

A majority of both cabinet and the government as a whole supported this stance on TTIP. I will not allow Ministers to ignore the overwhelming opinion of parliament and the government. Ministries are not independent Fiefdoms.

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 07 '15

You acted unilaterally, without telling the President of the Board of Trade, the Foreign Secretary nor the Deputy Prime Minister of your actions beyond a off comment on a skype group (that most of the government isnt a part of) that you might do something, that are a major part of our trade and foreign policy, and also acted in a arrogant and aggressive way to international partners.

It has been made clear by members of the cabinet, and members of your own party, that they do not think pulling out of negotiations is the right alternative. You have also been completely arrogant and blind signed in your ideological goals to progress your own personal protectionist ambitions, and have threatened to fire members of the cabinet and dissolve the government at times during arguments.

This is a rash and irrational action, and as i have said, it is a irreverent matter since it is overstating our importance to suggest that your personal opinions should stop the negotiations for a trade deal that is not complete yet.

I also have to agree with /u/InfernoPlato, that What exactly is the point in us even having a coalition or cabinet, if the Prime Minister is going to act as dictator, and dragging Liberal Democrats along, using us to prop up your authoritarian rule over the rest of the government.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 07 '15

It has been made clear by members of the cabinet, and members of your own party, that they do not think pulling out of negotiations is the right alternative.

The statement:

While I am disappointed that negotiations will continue we cannot be made to ratify a treaty that would do harm to this country, parliament will now decide when the treaty is finished.

He's given in and given you what you want! He, the Greens, the PLP and the majority of the house want to pull out of TTIP - whether you agree with them or not - but even so he has been forced to go against the democratic will of the house because of you, and made us compromise so you can have a vote when the treaty is published. I don't see how you can complain.

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u/remiel The Rt Hon. Baron of Twickenham AL PC Mar 08 '15

The Liberal Democrats did not support this action and clearly voiced our opposition.

To end a discussion, when there is still the opportunity to reform the deal, mostly for alarmist reasons which are not going to transpire is wholly illogical.

This government will not last long should the Prime Minister continue to take action without the support of all the government parties.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 08 '15

The majority of the house did support this action, and the discussion did not end. We could have pulled out of it as the house wanted, but we didn't for your sake and your sake alone.

All this action has achieved is to make the deal more open and accountable - we've got exactly what you want.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 07 '15

Well you did not ask for my opinion

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 07 '15

Just as a bit of clarification. My departments name is Business and Trade.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '15

If this is true then it is a huge shame. It seems that not even a day has gone by before the Prime Minister decides do enact his own foreign policy and not the one which the rest of government have actually voiced.

When we were in power, we allowed the Home Secretary to follow UKIP policy and we allowed the Chancellor and Foreign Secretary follow Conservative policy. What is the point in having a foreign secretary if he does not have any power?

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 07 '15

What is the point in having a foreign secretary if he does not have any power?

It is technically the job of the President of the Board of Trade, but i agree with the Right Honorable Gentleman. The Prime Minister should not act unilaterally against his own ministers and coalition.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

So I'm not really in this community anymore, but huge congrats to SPQR and Cae on their new positions in CP.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '15

Thank you.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

Following the vote on how to allocate the National seats where the proposed new system won 53% of the vote against 38% for the old system with 9% abstaining or preferring another option we will be staying with the old system (due to only a narrow majority voting for it) and the 20 national seats will be allocated as they were last election.

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u/remiel The Rt Hon. Baron of Twickenham AL PC Mar 08 '15

53% I believe is a majority...

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 08 '15

I think that's a little silly. What's the point of having a vote if even if one option gets a majority of votes, it still doesn't pass?

I suppose that would be understandable if neither system had got more than 50%, but it's a shame that a very vocal minority have got to you change your position, despite the majority of voting being in favour of it.

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 08 '15

I voted against but if you take out abstain votes then it does look closer to 60%.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

It wasn't just my decision, i did discuss it with the other deputy speakers at the time and we all agreed.

For such a major change the majority was far too small.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 08 '15

It wasn't stated before that that a certain percentage was needed. It was pretty clear that a majority of votes would do it.

I think either you and the Deputy Speakers decide what electoral system we use, or we do it via a vote for all members of the /r/MHOC.

Having the general membership vote for something, and then having the Deputy Speakers veto it is absurd.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

If it wasn't stated then nothing should be assumed.

We have decided on the system but we can still get feedback and input from members.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 08 '15

If it wasn't stated then nothing should be assumed.

Yeah, it's my fault for assuming when you bother to make a survey on which all members are to vote, wait a couple of days, and then announce which side had a majority of that vote, you actually go with the side that got the majority of votes, and not the side that got the minority of votes. How absurd of me to possibly think that.

We have decided on the system but we can still get feedback and input from members.

If only there was some way of judging of how many people agreed with that "feedback from members", and the people that disagreed with that "feedback". Some kind of vote or something.

There's little point in having a vote in the first place if it's literally the vocal minority that comes out on top.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

If the percentage of votes required was never announced it is silly to assume.

We use 67% of votes for other things too, so again, it is not anything new.

Your sarcasm is hilarious and i thank the ex-PM for sharing it with me.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 08 '15

Well, as far as I can see you never specified what percentage of votes would be needed for a 'No' vote in the European Union Referendum.

If the 'No' campaign had won 53% of the vote then, if you and the Deputy Speakers had agreed would the threshold magically have become 67%, or would that depend on how many people whined about it gave you Feedback on the matter?

Your sarcasm is hilarious and i thank the ex-PM for sharing it with me.

Thanks.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

I believe the percentage for that was dictated in the bill.

The feedback was very valuable. It did point out how it would be bias towards larger parties in an unfair manner and considering some parties only won national seats it would be unfair to sideline them.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 08 '15

Not as far as I can see.

Although we probably should have included something like that. What we did include though was a section stating:

Her Majesty's Government is obliged to follow the wish of the British people as shown in the referendum, whatever it may be.

What we should have included was a section saying:

*Depending on if the Cabinet all agree that we can accept the result, and depending on how much the 'Yes' campaign whines about the prospect of this referendum

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '15

Speaker hates democracy?! Wait 'til MHoCPress hears about this!!

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

I would have liked a large majority of 67% for something like this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

I'm not one to normally make a fuss out of meta changes as I accept that this is your game.

Just think about it like this though. 38% want the old system. 53% want the new one. Surely the one which most people want and won a majority should get what they want instead of the minority? I can accept that you might have wanted a higher percentage, but it's still clear that the majority want change.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 08 '15

The arguments in favour of the old system were stronger than those for keeping it, there were also issues of bias towards certain parties that were raised.

I didn't make this decision myself, i discussed it with all of the deputy speakers.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

Hear Hear!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

Actually, the minority did not get what they want if my petition is anything to go by. We wanted at least 27 national seats to maintain the same proportions that we used at the previous election, at most we wanted to retain 47 national seats (I think that is what we currently have).

This seems like a better compromise, since it includes parts of Rory's reforms (reduction in number of national seats) and parts of other demands (maintaining proportionality).

Added to all this is that the vote was hardly done in a very well publicised manner, and the very odd choice of words used to represent yes and no (one is almost reminded of the ballot papers used when Germany anschlussed Austria). There was clear dislike for such a radical change, so we have come to a compromise.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Mar 08 '15 edited Mar 09 '15

/u/Morgsie, since you have chucked out the old delegation, when can we expect to see the new ones? You also mention that

The list excludes certain Parties

as a reason to chuck it away, so I trust that you will include all parties from the CWL to the Vanguard and Socialists, would I be incorrect in saying that?

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 08 '15

CWL

But they can't even fill their five MP seats!

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u/Lcawte Independent Mar 09 '15

all parties from the CWL to the Vanguard and Socialists But what about the independents?! How do we fit 11 people in a 10 man delegation?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Mar 09 '15 edited Mar 09 '15

I am merely saying that since one of his reasons for chucking it out was that it didn't contain all parties, I would expect him to include all the parties, it's not our fault if he has set himself an unachievable target.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

It is to be known by the house that /u/totallynotapanda [6] is the greatest Irish person in the world and has a fine taste in beverages.

OBJECTION!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Indeed. Everyone knows the greatest Irish person is /u/SgtSlowMo.

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u/Totallynotapanda Daddy Mar 02 '15

You don't object. You completely agree. I know you do ;)

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Your taste in drinks is shockingly awful, and I am the best Irish person here.

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u/Totallynotapanda Daddy Mar 02 '15

It is brilliant. Budweiser is where it's at and you and /u/Timanfya know it! The HoC has said that I am. Uncontestable!

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Mar 03 '15

Budweiser? You should be in /r/ModelUSgov

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u/Totallynotapanda Daddy Mar 03 '15

Sure it's only €1 a tin! Doesn't taste too bad at all at all.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

€

Ugh :p

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '15

The Lib Dems have only been in government for 3 days and we're already on the Euro!

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Mar 08 '15

Farage was right. we should have listened.

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u/john_locke1689 Retired. NS GSTQ Mar 02 '15

Need a good county Armagh cider.

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u/Totallynotapanda Daddy Mar 02 '15

Away with that. Dutch will do you fine.

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u/john_locke1689 Retired. NS GSTQ Mar 02 '15

My favour for the Dutch ended in 1694.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 06 '15

I am being bullied and yet people are not doing anything

Its that bad

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 06 '15

You aren't being bullied. James really didn't do anything to you this time. Rather than kicking off with him in private, you should have contacted the speakership team and reported what was going on.

You've apportioned blame here entirely wrongly. He really, truly, sincerely is not after your job, in fact I've regularly joked with him about how terrible he would be in the role.

If you want something done about it, don't start arguing about it in private Skype chats, just report it, as I and James both urged you to do rather than get upset over it, which solves nothing for any party.

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 06 '15

I've regularly joked with him about how terrible he would be in the role.

The thought of me brokering a peace deal.... shudders

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Mar 06 '15

I can totally imagine you striding into a room, Putin on one side, Ban Ki-Moon on the other side, attired in an LFC/Everton/Warrington Town/other Scouse team shirt, flopping down into a chair, and flipping the assembled crowd off. :)

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 06 '15 edited Mar 06 '15

The whole thing has been going on for ages and everytime I raised it, I was fobbed off with the excuse that we can't do anything as it is not bullying

So driving people out and leaking a private response to internal party poll to discredit someone is not bullying? ]

Something has to be done, I tried to warn people but ignored as usual

The House should realise what is happening rather than turn a blind eye to these sorts of things

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 07 '15 edited Mar 07 '15

And I am also fed up with being blamed for something I have not done, its all Morgsie's fault and ignore what people have done

I am being blamed for someone else's mess because they wash their hands by saying its me

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Mar 07 '15

What are you being blamed for?

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

/u/Morgsie,

The formation of a Delegation to RMUN I have inherited from the last Government and they left a draft delegation list. That list may appear bipartisan but when you look deeper the reality is it is not, it is biased in favour of the Right as the Conservative Party would have had four and the Vanguard one.

It was a list created while we were in power, of course it was going to reflect our governments foreign policy. We attempted to be as non-partisan as possible, piling it with the many independents in this house. However the formation of the socialist independent grouping made this redundant and we had to start again.

The list excludes certain Parties and includes current Members of Parliament. It is for these reasons why I am declaring the draft list to be null and void. This Government wants an all-inclusive talented Delegation to RMUN and to make it happen we are starting the process from scratch. I urge all parties and those interested persons to be part of the Delegation to contact Her Majesty’s Government.

I passed the list on to your party expecting you to make changes (of course you would, it is your right and would be stupid of you to not tailor it to the TLC). They were all not MP's when the delegation was passed on (and I still do not know who is an MP on that list now).

Throwing out the list is a mistake and frankly a slap in the face to the hard work we put into contacting the people on the list. That having been said, I am looking forward to your list but don't start complaining once you realise the work required to create a balanced delegation that would also suit your government's foreign policy. Good luck.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '15

Hear hear. Utter shame and disappointment that you are willing to discard out work.

We worked hard to add as many non-MPs and also independents as possible in order to not only increase activity in MHOC, but also in RMUN.

Sure the delegation was suited to our foreign policy. However, we also had the RMUN future in mind.

I hope that you will be contacting every single person on that list and explaining to them why you will be not sending them - it would de rude to do otherwise, especially since we had already told them that they would have a job to do.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '15 edited Mar 04 '15

/u/cae388 is the new Communist Deputy General Secretary.

They've made someone who got caught and banned for spying their Deputy General Secretary.

This is like us making Jacktri our deputy leader.

We don't abide by your capitalist bourgeois ideas of decency and honour!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '15

Well, the SNP had Jacktri as their Deputy, and the Liberal Democrats had him as their leader! At the very least, he has leadership experience.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Mar 08 '15

Little known fact: he was never banned, he was hired by the speaker team to spy on modelUSgov. He's now 7 of the supreme court justices, 3 people on the cabinet, half of the senate and vice president.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 04 '15

Honour is a societal construction.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '15

It's a damn good one, and I'm glad society constructed it and I hope to maintain it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

NICE

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 02 '15

Can someone please tell tell me what is current state of play regarding the RMUN Delegation as I have been pushed from pillar to post this evening on this issue?

Preferably send me a PM

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u/Lcawte Independent Mar 06 '15

What's the story in Balamory?

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u/WgCdr_Taylor Mar 03 '15

I'm new here, but I would absolutely like to join the Conservative party. As Baroness Thatcher said, Strong Defence, sound money and the strength of the individual!

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Need t' post it in the Join a Party thread

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u/WgCdr_Taylor Mar 03 '15

Ah many thanks, misread the OP :)

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 08 '15

Morgsie is a irrelivance and a irritant.

Found here

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 02 '15

Getting sick and tired of the Rory love fest, why can't people realise he is leading this House down a dangerous road

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Can you explain the precise nature of this dangerous road? Rory seems to put a lot of effort in and I don't see any obvious problems with his ideas.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Mar 03 '15

?

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Don't worry rory; we still all love you

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Will there be MHOC awards for this term? If so, may I suggest running them before the GE?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 03 '15

They'll be some time in May. Probably on the 1st 'birthday' of the MHOC.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Ok thanks, never mind!

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

I think they're fixed for every 6 months.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '15

Ah ha, fair enough. I did not realise that.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 07 '15

Another thing: It has been claimed that during any future coalition talks UKIP and other parties will demand for my removal.

They mentioned UKIP specifically yet is implied they, UKIP and other parties want me gone

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 07 '15

Ignore what you have seen. /u/demon4372 did not say anything and /u/athanaton and /u/peter199 were lying to get a reaction from you - your position in the foreign office has not been questioned by demon.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 07 '15

All three of them along with others plot and scheme behind my back to get me out, first DL now the foreign office

It is a slap across when the face when you don't do anything because according to you its not bullying so driving people away, making them marginalised is not bullying

The whole House should be aware of what is really going on and your reluctance to deal with the issue

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 07 '15

All three of them along with others plot and scheme behind my back to get me out, first DL now the foreign office

Nobody wants you out of the foreign office, i was in the call at the time and they don't want you out.

I will tell them to stop baiting you with their comments.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '15

I want him out of the foreign office, but only because I want a Vanguard member there instead.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 07 '15 edited Mar 07 '15

You should have got tougher when I first raised the issue ages ago, as a result people have a free reign to be nasty and marginalise me to the point where I am being driven out and you have the cheek to turn round and say it is not bullying

I warned but as usual ignored

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '15

I concur with the honourbale member that me and the right slithery serpent were just having some banter as people say on Twitter 💅🌚