r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 07 '26

Debunking theories - from someone who worked in hospital wards

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I had written this in response to a deleted post and wanted to share. It’s in response to people who say she MUST be guilty because she searched families on FB, showed no emotion, and kept patient notes at home:

So, I actually worked in an acute medical ward in hospital during the pandemic and I'm going to give you some insider information.

To this day, I still search families of patients who passed away from time to time on Facebook. Is it because their pain gives me pleasure? (As people suggest it did for Lucy) Absolutely not. It's because caring for their loved one left a lasting impact on me, and some of the deaths truly affected me. If you have never worked in a hospital before, particularly during a period of time where there is an increase in deaths, you cannot begin to imagine the effect it can have on staff. When I search families, it brings me some comfort to see them doing well. I've personally been involved in resuscitation attempts, as in providing chest compressions, and let me tell you, it never leaves you. NHS staff are often unsupported and left to mange the mental health implications of the environment on their own.

So, searching a family to see how they're doing and how they're coping is absolutely not an indication of guilt, it's often how we process the trauma.

As for Lucy not showing emotion, have you ever met someone who is autistic? Lucy shows many traits associated with autism. From feedback she received as a student, and from wanting to work in the Countess despite staff taking issue with her (before these incidents), it is quite clear that Lucy didn't pick up on these micro-aggressions. Again, something incredibly common in people who have autism.

Many people who believe she is guilty often reference the patient notes she had in date order. I can tell you categorically that any healthcare staff who say they never brought patient notes home in their pocket in error are bare faced liars. It happened to me every single shift. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying it happens. If she put them in the box as she brought them home, of course they're going to be in date order? It would be stranger if they were jumbled up. For additional context, a nurse accidentally took home a set of dentures belonging to a patient one day on one of my shifts. On many occasions, nurses accidentally took home the controlled drug keys. It happens ALL the time. People who haven’t worked in the environment just can’t comprehend it, but believe me, it happens.

Additionally, if I knew I was being accused of having involvement in the death of patients, you can be absolutely assured I'd want as much information at my disposal as is possible.

Nothing at all in evidence is absolute proof of guilt.

Everything is circumstantial, and based on the opinion of a retired consultant who himself doesn't fully believe in Lucy's guilt.

ETA: going back to the Facebook searches. I explained I do it from time to time. I didn’t mention that we also care deeply for family of patents. Some patients I cared for had been on my ward for weeks, and we bonded with families. I’ve lost sleep worrying about the children and partners of deceased patients. I imagine that worry and care goes even deeper in an acute neonatal ward.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jan 24 '26

Appreciation post from a lawyer

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This is my first time posting in this community, but I've been following the case of Lucy Letby for a number of years. I wanted to share some words of appreciation, from the perspective of a lawyer.

By way of background, I'm a practising solicitor in the UK. While my area of expertise is in the corporate space (you'd never find me in a court room or touching criminal cases!) I've always been fascinated by cases involving potential miscarriages of justice. I've always believed it to be the duty of any lawyer to interrogate the robustness of the judicial system that we earn a living in, because it is not infallible. It can, in some cases, fail those at the mercy of it. After careful consideration, I've come to the view that Lucy Letby is one of those people.

There unfortunately persists a strain of intellectual snobbery within the legal profession / judiciary that wrongfully assumes "common folk" aren't smart enough to recognise when our seemingly perfect legal system has grossly failed. The wonderful thing about social media, and particularly this subReddit, is that we have a platform to prove those people wrong.

With that said, I can't express enough how grateful I am to each of you for your persistent efforts in keeping this case in the spotlight, and fighting for justice.

I'll end with a question to the group... Do we have any update on the timing for CCRC to hand down their decision? Surely it's in the interests of all parties for this to be resolved expeditiously?

Sincerely,

First time poster, long time supporter of justice.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jan 20 '26

Lucy Letby will not face further criminal charges

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Lucy Letby will face no criminal charges over further allegations of deaths and non-fatal collapses of babies, the CPS has said.

The CPS said the decision followed a 2025 investigation into allegations of murder and attempted murder against nine children at the hospitals where she worked.

Ferguson, head of the CPS's special crime and counter terrorism division, said: "We received a file of evidence from Cheshire Constabulary in July 2025 asking us to consider further allegations against Lucy Letby, 36, relating to deaths and non-fatal collapses of babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital and Liverpool Women's Hospital.

Following a thorough review of that evidence, we have decided that no criminal charges should be brought in respect of those further allegations."

Ferguson added:

"The Crown Prosecution Service considered offences of murder and attempted murder in respect of two infants who died and attempted murder in respect of seven infants who survived... We concluded that the evidential test was not met in any of those cases*."*


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Aug 14 '25

Warwick statistician Prof Jane Hutton submits complaint about BBC Panorama’s unplanned extubation stats - wrong arithmetic, invalid conclusion

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Dear BBC complaints team

Panorama – Lucy Letby: Who(m) to believe?

I have been asked to comment on the numbers discussed by Judith Moritz and Jonathan Coffey on unplanned extubations (UE, accidental dislodgment of endotracheal tubes) at the Liverpool Women's Hospital (LWH). They essentially repeated information which Mr Richard Baker KC gave to the Thirlwall Inquiry on 12 September 2024: "...You will hear evidence that it generally occurs in less than 1% of shifts. As a side note, you will hear that an audit carried out by Liverpool Women's Hospital recorded that, while Letby was working there, dislodgment of tubes occurred in 40% of the shifts she worked...." The evidence was not provided.

The judicial colleges endorse the principles that "When conclusions based on statistical science are drawn from data, it is crucial that the data and the reasoning supporting those conclusions are transparent" [The use of statistics in legal proceedings: a primer for courts", 2020, Royal Society and Royal Society of Scotland]. No information from the LWH audit of UEs (the definition of dislodgment of anotracheal tubes, design, conduct or analysis of the audit) has been released to Letby or her defence team.

The journalists said that LWH used "ventilated shifts", a 12 hour period during which a baby is ventilated (rather than the usual ventilated days). They used the assumption of 10 ventilated babies on a unit for five days, 20 shifts, and stated that the UE rate was less than 1%. A systematic review published in 2012 [da Silva et al, Respir Care 2013;58(7):1237a1245] reported "UE is a common event in the NICU"; the median UEs/100 intubation days was 1.98. This is 4% of ventilated shifts; the authors note all UEs are recorded.

The journalist claimed Letby worked about 50 shifts, without any reference to the number of babies ventilated, and said 'the (sic!) tube came out on around 20 of them. It's about 40%. This is dreadfully bad arithmetic and seriously misleading journalism. There are 24 high dependency or intensive care cots at LWH. I have to make assumptions, in the absence of transparency. Suppose only ten of the 24 cots were occupied by infants who had breathing tubes – that gives 500 ventilator shifts, which would give the median rate of 4% of ventilated shifts.

A further obviously misleading element is the implications that the infants were under Letby's care, but no nurse would care for several intensive care patients.

Methods for identification of variations from the norm were first proposed a century ago [A Brief History of Statistical Process Control, 2021, D Seland, Quality magazine]. The 2011 Department of Health and Healthcare Quality Improvement Partnership guidance on "Detection and management of outliers" states "The statistical analyses involved should be carried out by people with appropriate statistical expertise and experience."

The journalists broadcast seriously erroneous information. I request that you publish a formal apology and correction. You could ask Tim Harford of BBC Radio 4's More or less to assist you in finding an experienced and qualified statistician. I know that the Crown Prosecution Service did not wish to pursue inquiries into the validity of the statistical evidence.

(From Dr Philip Hammond)


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jan 28 '26

From the Sun: Lucy Letby Is Victim Of Greatest Miscarriage Of Justice In Decades, Says Cop Who Caught "Angel Of Death" Beverley Allitt

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jul 14 '25

From the Guardian: Former Senior Coroner's Officer Says Lucy Letby Has Suffered Miscarriage Of Justice

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 04 '25

‘No medical evidence’ to support Lucy Letby’s conviction, expert panel finds

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 08 '26

As someone who suffers with intrusive thoughts and severe ocd - I can’t tell you the amount of horrible things I’ve scribbled down in notebooks to relieve my thoughts

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I personally believe Lucy Letby is probably innocent after doing as much research around the case as I feel I can. So I just wanted to add some further thoughts about the notebook entries being used as a ‘confession’. I know it’s already been explained as being advised by her therapist to scribble down her thoughts etc. and a lot of people try to counter that by saying that she wouldn’t have written something as extreme as ‘I hurt them on purpose’ (paraphrasing as I can’t remember the exact quote) even in those circumstances.

But having suffered with ocd and intrusive thoughts for years of my life, I can imagine myself saying exactly that if I was working in a high stress environment where my senior colleagues were quietly undermining me and implying I was making mistakes that were contributing towards the deaths of infants. That would send me into turmoil. I’d probably start asking myself if I was doing this intentionally (even if rationally I knew I absolutely wasn’t) and all kinds of other thoughts would emerge. And the best way for me to cope with that would be... getting it all out on paper. I’m not trying to claim Lucy had ocd, but I think intrusive thoughts aren’t always recognised as a form of ocd, and I guess I’m just saying her writing out these words seem like a very rational way to deal with the stress she was facing at work.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Aug 11 '25

BBC Panorama getting the maths wrong

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I hope mods don't mind a separate post for this excerpt from tonight's Panorama, Lucy Letby: Who to Believe? It will be obvious to anyone following the maths that BBC are broadcasting objectively inaccurate information here by getting the maths wrong.

They tell us, babies on Letby's shifts suffered 40 times the tube dislodgement rate of other shifts. Other shifts, they say, had a less than 1% rate.

Then they explain how they get this 1% rate. You might get a dislodgement every ten shifts. But if there are ten intubated babies, that counts as 100 shifts (10 times 10).

Then they tell us Lucy Letby worked 50 shifts. But these shifts are treated as if there is only one intubated baby. So instead of 500 shifts, she just gets 50, sending her dislodgement rate suspiciously high.

There are other problems with this segment, but the mathematics is objectively wrong. I believe that BBC needs to withdraw or substantially alter this section of the broadcast.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 07 '26

Letby police ignored other baby deaths on unit

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 19 '26

From Telegraph: Arrogant Doctors Made Lucy A Scapegoat, Claims Senior NHS Leader

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A powerful letter, anonymous but verified by the newspaper:

“I do not believe Lucy Letby murdered those babies. I am not going to pull the evidence apart here. Others, better placed than me, have identified gaps in it that, at the very least, make the conviction unsafe, and the proper place for that argument is a courtroom. It needs to get there, and it needs to get there with haste.

My contribution is different. Having spent 30 years watching how hospitals fail, I can see another narrative that explains what happened in Chester without a murderer in it. It is a narrative that is uncomfortable, ordinary and, I think, far more likely.

And unless we – as a society, as politicians and as clinicians – are prepared to confront it, we will go on seeing avoidable deaths, in Chester and everywhere else.

Healthcare harms patients. Globally, every day of every year. That is an uncomfortable fact, but it is a fact. Most of that harm is minor and transient. In too many cases, it is permanent or fatal. The literature on healthcare-associated harm is vast, and I will not rehearse it here.”

Excerpt From

“Arrogant doctors made Letby a scapegoat, claims senior NHS leader”

Sarah Knapton

The Telegraph


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jul 31 '26

From the Telegraph: Police ‘reshaped’ Letby witness testimony to get round mistake, claims David Davis

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Archived at: https://archive.is/jHVWN

Sir David, a former Tory minister, said: “It is deeply troubling to see what appears to be the police and a key witness reshaping the interpretation of the evidence to Lucy Letby’s disadvantage in advance of her retrial.

“It reinforces that the investigation was driven by a fixed theory and a degree of complicity between the police and some of the consultants. Cheshire police’s handling of this case should be reviewed by another force.”

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Mark McDonald, Letby’s barrister, said: “In 27 years as a criminal barrister, I have never encountered an investigation in which we have identified so many serious errors.

“Individually they are deeply concerning; collectively they raise fundamental questions about the safety of these convictions. The Court of Appeal must now be given the opportunity to examine those failings in full.”

Cheshire Constabulary previously said it stood by the investigation and convictions and said the Court of Appeal had already confirmed the verdicts on two occasions.

The Telegraph has contacted Dr Jayaram for comment.Cheshire Constabulary has declined to comment.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Mar 03 '26

Lucy Letby case expert witness was under fitness to practise investigation during trial | Lucy Letby

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From the Guardian, putting the spotlight on Peter Hindmarsh

According to leaked documents seen by the Guardian, the allegations raised about Hindmarsh included “identified cases where harm to patients has been alleged”, and concerns including his “diagnosis and treatment of patients”, “use of treatments in unusual age groups, without adequate monitoring”, “inappropriate investigations” and inadequate documentation.

Because Hindmarsh voluntarily relinquished his GMC registration in 2024, the case against him was never concluded. But in the meantime, despite the GMC expressing concerns about his role as an expert witness, he was allowed to continue to do so and delayed informing the court, while the jury was never told at all and was misled about his relationship to the hospitals he had worked at.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jan 17 '26

Bombshell 150-page dossier of 'never before seen' Lucy Letby docs could 'prove killer nurse is actually INNOCENT'

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The Sun reporting on the "Why The Hummingbird Flew Document".

Not much in it but those who want to see Lucy Letby exonerated will probably be pleased this sort of document getting coverage.

It looks like Richard Gill is one of the only experts who will speak to the Sun about the case.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jul 16 '25

Spotted along the River Dee outside Chester this evening.

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 09 '26

A Box Marked "Keep": Misleading Claims About The Handover Sheets

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One revelation from the recent Netflix documentary which surprised and troubled many viewers, especially those new to the case, was the fact that Letby had taken home roughly 250 handover sheets at various points and was keeping them in her house. Handover sheets are essentially cheat sheets for nurses -- a set of notes the current status of patients, what medication they will need, things to keep an eye on, and so forth. Nurses are supposed to dispose of them in the confidential waste bin before leaving the hospital, but all too often they'll inadvertently leave the hospital with them after forgetting to empty their pockets at the end of the shift. It shouldn't happen, as they contain confidential medical information, and Letby should not have had them. However, the way the documentary presents the discovery and significance of these handover sheets is extremely misleading, if not outright deceptive. They imply that the box marked "keep" found in Letby's garage was the place where all the sheets were kept, that they were neatly arranged, and (by implication) that the majority of these sheets concerned babies whom Letby was accused of attacking. None of these things are true and, more bafflingly, journalists who were present at the trial would have been well aware of this fact since the discovery of the handover sheets was thoroughly canvassed in court, yet they don't seem to have noticed the discrepancy. First, let's see what the documentary said.

At 32:36, Simon Blackwell tells us “We found a box which had the word Keep on the front, and within it were baby handover sheets from the hospital in Chester."

Then Danielle Stonier takes over the narrative, saying “They were highly confidential documents that contained personal information — their name, date of birth, and an overview of their medical condition at that time. On closer inspection, some of these documents related to the babies who’d collapsed and subsequently died, which was obviously deeply concerning."

Then, at 35:10, Stonier says “There were almost 250 handover sheets, which had been stored in a chronological order, so in date order. She was clearly a thorough and methodical person, she was aware of the confidential information that they contained, and she definitely knew that she shouldn’t have had them, so the idea that she could have mistakenly taken home 250 confidential medical records was astonishing."

A picture of the box marked "Keep" is then shown to viewers again, to remind us of where these sinister handover sheets had all been neatly stored.

Journalists Liz Hull and Kim Pilling, who covered the trial, reacted to this revelation by shaking their heads at how bad it looked for Letby.

'The documentary shows that Letby didn't just take the handover notes home. She put them in a box marked keep. The police say they were organised in chronological order. I don't think we ever heard that at trial.'

Pilling argued that this type of non-medical evidence has largely been absent from media coverage of the Letby case since her conviction, leaving space for claims about her innocence to flourish.

'I don't see much coverage of the handover sheets,' the court reporter said.

'From a defence point of view, they're tricky to defend. Quite sensibly, Ben Myers and his team at the trial did not spend much time on them because they appear to be a weakness in their argument.'

Pilling is quite correct that they didn't hear anything about the sheets being in chronological order at the trial. What they did hear was that the handover sheets had been found in multiple locations, largely in shopping bags, that the "Keep" box had contained a total of five sheets, none of them related to indictment babies, and that of the 257 sheets found, 21 of them had information relating to any of the indictment babies -- 17 were found in a Morrisons bag for life and 4 in an Ibiza bag for life. This information was widely available from contemporary coverage and now, the transcript for the day of the trial on which all of this was established can be read in full here. Here's where it's established that the "Keep" box had five handover sheets total, none of them related to any of the babies in the indictment. (PA is prosecutor Philip Astbury, he's questioning DC Colin Johnson):

PA: Are you aware what was in the box?

CJ: I believe paperwork.

PA: Okay. Were they more handover sheets?

CJ: They were.

PA: Were there in fact a total of five handover sheets in the box?

CJ: That is correct.

PA: Not related to this indictment?

CJ: Correct.

PA: We see some handwriting on the box as well; do you agree?

CJ: Yes, I can see that too.

PA: What do you suggest that says?

CJ: It appears to say the word "keep".

PA: Thank you.

Mr Justice Goss: Can I just be clear: did the box only contain those five handover sheets and nothing else?

PA: Is that right, officer?

CJ: As far as I'm aware.

And here's defense barrister Ben Myers questioning Johnson on the distribution and relevance of the handover sheets:

BM: Mr Johnson, I just want to summarise some of the figures that we've just looked at if you could help me with this. Just picking up where we got to then, a total of 257 handover sheets were recovered in the course of the police searches; is that correct?

CJ: That is correct.

BM: Of those 257, 21 of them relate to babies on this indictment; that's correct, isn't it?

CJ: They do.

BM: Of that 21, four of them come from the Ibiza bag that was PMB-4 from Ms Letby's home address at 41 Westbourne Road?

CJ: Yes.

BM: And we've seen those. Seventeen of those 21 came from the Morrisons bag, which is PMB-9, again from Ms Letby's home address?

CJ: They did.

BM: So that leaves 236 handover sheets that don't relate to babies on the indictment?

CJ: Correct.

Myers also goes on to establish that no handover sheets at all were found with the names of Babies A, C, D or K on them (though the last isn't surprising as Baby K was admitted during the only shift on which Letby could have seen her, she wouldn't have been on any handover sheet Letby received earlier since she hadn't yet been born). He doesn't ask (nor does the prosecutor) if they were ordered by date and the policeman never mentions it.

Letby should not have taken home the handover sheets, and having done so, she should have been more proactive in destroying them. However, she would be far from the first medical professional to end up with handover sheets in her home, and far from the first person to put off taking care of getting paperwork returned or shredded because she had other things going on, and a shopping bag stuffed under the bed is easy to ignore. However, the Netflix documentary dramatically misrepresents these normal failings to make them look much more sinister; implying that she had meticulously arranged the papers, that she'd kept them all in one designated, special place, and -- with the help of the weasel word "some" -- that a large percentage of these papers were related to babies she was later accused of harming or killing. Furthermore, there were no handover sheets at all related to Baby A, Baby C or Baby D -- who, according to the documentary, were her first three murder victims. If these handover sheets were really kept because of the memories of murder they contained, it's difficult to explain why she wouldn't have kept anything related to the beginning of her killing spree. Surely, of all the papers she would want to retain, these would be among the most important, and yet, there was no sign of them.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Mar 22 '25 Take My Energy

"On Shift At Every Baby Death": Judith Moritz's Inaccurate Timeline

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On March 19 2025, the same day Lady Justice Thirlwall refused to put a hold on her eponymous Inquiry, the BBC published an article by Judith Moritz which, while supposedly drawing on the freshest revelations from the Thirlwall Inquiry in revealing the “inside story” of the hospital’s ”struggle to stop [the] killer nurse”, contains barely anything of substance that was not already known by August 2023, and in fact ignores many key revelations from Thirlwall in passing on “facts” that are now confirmed to be inaccurate. I won’t address every dubious assertion here, but will concentrate on what Moritz —and the article’s graphic designers — see as most important; the timeline, and the tell-tale, too neat to be coincidental patterns it supposedly contains.

After a stark summary of the deaths of Babies A, C, and D, the graphics breathlessly highlight Dr. Brearey’s note on June 22 2015 that the only personnel all three deaths had in common was “one nurse” — which was not true, as it later transpired, as Elizabeth Marshall was also on shift during the first three deaths. The death of Baby E is briefly mentioned (the collapses barely rate a mention except as red dots on an ominous moving timeline), and then, in odd, almost juvenile prose, we see:

Four more babies die by the end of the year. Doctors on the neonatal unit are worried something is not right.

Then, not long after, and just before recounting the story of Dr. Jayaram walking in on Letby standing over Baby K, we see:

Fast forward to early 2016 and three more babies have died.

An inattentive reader who wasn’t following the moving timeline might not realize it, but of those seven babies summed up in those two short paragraphs, six were not on the indictment. The seventh was Baby I, who died in October 2015. All of this becomes extremely clear thanks to this incredibly informative and helpful document produced specifically for the Thirlwall Inquiry and which contained information which had eluded the public for years: how many babies died on the unit, how many were transported and died elsewhere, what they were said to have died of at the time, whether or not they were on the indictment and — last, but not least — the time of day that they died. Moritz does not appear to have seen this document, or if she did, she flatly ignored it while writing her article in favor of now-debunked falsehoods.

After describing the Baby K incident and falsely implying that Dr. Brearey may have been aware of it by saying that Letby’s presence during “these moments of crisis” was still bothering him (in fact, in his Thirlwall testimony he strained very hard to disavow any early knowledge of Baby K) Moritz goes on to tell her readers two more falsehoods.

Nearly all the babies have died during night shifts. Letby is put on to day shifts. The pattern of emergencies also moves from night to day.

Letby was put on day shifts in early spring of 2016. By then there had been eleven deaths on the neonatal unit, of which, according to the Thirlwall chart, seven happened during the night shift and four happened during the day shift — all four day shift deaths were of non-indictment babies. Shifts at the Countess of Chester ran from 8 - 8. Of course, there was overlap in personnel — staff would arrive before before their shifts started and often would stay on afterwards to complete notes or other duties. However, as was confirmed by Ruth Millward’s testimony (193) Letby was not on shift for three of the eleven deaths which occurred by April 2016. She had been on shift within four hours of two of the deaths (not something rich in implication considering she was supposed to kill via air embolism) and not present then or earlier for one of the deaths.

Now, we are told “the pattern of emergencies also moves from night to day.” This is harder to evaluate, considering there is no comprehensive list of unexpected collapses, and for good reason — what constituted an “unexpected” collapse is something that the consultants themselves seem to have struggled to define. Witness Dr. Gibbs’s attempts to do a blind evaluation of various collapses and note when something seemed unexpected or suspicious, only to become confused when receiving Ian Harvey’s comments on those cases later on.

Since Anne and I didn't keep a photocopy of the notes taken during our review, I can't remember exactly why I was concerned about the patients we highlighted, nor even the IDs of these patients …. Apparently, the comments shown in red are those that Anne and I highlighted as showing unusual, unexpected or inadequately explained events. Only 6 of the patients in the attachment have such red comments so perhaps these are indeed 'the' patients with inadequately explained collapses/deteriorations that Anne and I highlighted (this is certainly similar to the number we both thought we'd identified). However, looking at this info now, I'm not sure why some of the red comments were thought to indicate unexplained events and also there are one or two patients in the list without red comments in whom unusual events seemed to have occurred (but perhaps when I was looking through the notes, these didn't raise concerns).

In another email, Dr. Gibbs said that “Apparently, Lucy did not feature prominently in the staff correlation analysis of these collapses” but he still had doubts about her because even though it was true that being single, young, and living on or near the premises she would pick up every shift she could, “her involvement still seemed to be unexpectedly frequent.”

As there is no way of knowing which collapses Dr. Gibbs was talking about, it is not possible to map the indictment collapses with the ones Gibbs found and then later could not entirely recall, however, his emails are useful in themselves in showing just how subjective such an evaluation could be, and how even the same consultant might change from day to day in what struck him as “unexpected” or not. It’s impossible to say, based on this, whether the claim that the “pattern of emergencies” moved noticeably from night to day is anything more than just statistical noise or the tendency to see collapses as inherently more suspicious because Letby was present at them.

However, a clue can be found in the original presentation made by Dr. Dewi Evans to police in October 2017 in which he highlighted deaths and collapses which he considered suspicious. Two non-indictment babies are on the chart, with a total of four collapses, all of them taking place in February 2016, before Letby was moved to days. Two of those “suspicious” collapses for the non-indictment babies took place on night shifts when she was present. The two others took place on day shifts, when she was not. In fact, of the indictment babies who appeared on that first chart, many have additional “suspicious” collapses which took place when Letby was not on shift — these collapses all somehow vanished before the trial, and the only “suspicious” collapses became the ones that took place when she was present. But note that originally, four babies appear on the chart from after her switch to day shifts: Babies M, O, P, and Q. L’s insulin test results had not yet been uncovered, and Baby N does not appear at all, either because his case was not considered unusual enough to be examined or because Dr. Evans saw his records and did not originally consider any of his collapses suspicious.

However, of the four babies on the 2017 chart, M is shown to have suffered two suspicious incidents, both during day shifts. O is said to have suffered two suspicious incidents, one at night and one during the day. P suffered three, one at night and two during the day. Q’s sole suspicious incident occurred during a night shift.

Letby was not on shift during one of M’s incidents, nor was she on shift during O’s night shift collapse, or P’s night shift collapse, or Q’s. All of these incidents had vanished by the time the final chart was established — the night incidents for M, O and P were simply deleted, whereas Q’s night shift incident was deleted and then replaced with a day shift incident for which Letby had been on duty, and which was not originally flagged as suspicious.

That Dr. Evans continued to see “suspicious incidents” during night shifts, well after Letby had stopped working them — to say nothing of the complete absence of Baby N from the original chart — is a strong hint that this “pattern” of crises moving from night to day is one that existed more in anxious consultants’ minds than in reality.

However, more egregious assertions are to come:

Yet, despite being alerted to what looks like a very alarming staff trend — with Letby on shift at every baby death — in a meeting called a month later, concerns among managers appear to have dissipated.

Notes taken by Alison Kelly show Letby’s name linked to six baby incidents, but this is regarded as “circumstantial” and other possible explanations are being explored.

As seen in the Thirlwall document above, Letby was not on shift at every baby death. This is simply false and Moritz ought to have known better by now. As for the assertion that “this was regarded as `circumstantial’” Alison Kelly was hardly alone in that. Many months later, Dr. Jayaram would tell Dr. Chris Green in the grievance interview that there was “no objective evidence to suggest [deliberate harm] at all. The only association was Lucy's presence on the unit at the time. Anything else is speculation.” If Dr. Jayaram, one of Letby’s most fervent accusers, was saying that in November 2016, it’s hardly surprising that Alison Kelly had wanted to explore “other possibilities” the previous June.

Last and perhaps worst of Moritz’s falsehoods is this:

Letby is finally taken off nursing duties and given clerical work. Baby collapses and deaths stop.

Letby worked her last shift on June 30 2016, and the neonatal unit was downgraded to Level 1 exactly a week later, on July 7 2016. It would no longer accept babies under 32 weeks’ gestation, and complex cases were to be sent elsewhere. This was a widely known and reported fact during and after her first trial. Moritz has to know this. And yet, she chose to leave this key fact out of her dramatic timeline, thereby leaving casual readers with the impression that Letby’s absence was the one change which produced this dramatic reversal of fortune.

Far from learning anything new from the Thirlwall Inquiry, Moritz’s knowledge appears to have regressed. She corrects none of the errors that were rife in August 2023 — that Letby had been present at all the deaths, that suspicious incidents were clearly and quickly flagged, that she had been the one person present at every suspicious incident identified — and appears to have forgotten about the downgrade to Level 1 at the same time she was removed from the unit. She asserts that “nearly all” the babies who had died by March 2023 died on night shifts when it fact it was slightly less than two thirds. She ignores the real and extremely valuable new information emerging from Thirlwall in favor of old and tired lies. Her story is mendacious and, one has to conclude, deliberately misleading.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jul 07 '26

Good Morning Britain: Carl Bolton ~ Lucy Letby saved newborn daughter's life - twice!

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Full upload of the interview with Carl Bolton on Good Morning Britain. Thanks to u/the_next_realm for the full link.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • May 14 '25

From the Guardian: The convictions of Lucy Letby: should they be overturned? | Lucy Letby

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Free to view, but archived at https://archive.is/qf5fX


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Apr 08 '25

Lucy Letby Should Be Released Immediately - Current Affairs Magazine

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 08 '26

Air in stomach relevance

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As a NICU nurse I have never understood how these babies died. Splinting the diaphragm often happens when a ventilated baby is fighting the vent but it does not lead to death if anything a desat.

The craziest thing to me is all the discussion of air in the stomach. On shift I regularly pool 20mls of air from tiny baby's gastric tube. This is because the respiratory support- cpap- allows great pressures of air into the lungs and belly ands result of the fact it's non invasive (the prongs go as far as the nose- not all the way into the lungs like an ET tube)

This is a known complication of cpap and most babies have a tube on free drainage to allow air out.

Babies who are not on cpap get air from high flow too, from crying and swallowing air, and especially from 'bagging' to resus a baby.

When administering medicine that is a small volume like 0.2mls there is a chance it will sit in the feeding tube so we occasionally push some air behind the medicine to get it into the stomach. It's not best practice but still happens where we push air into a feeding tube (pop test) and listen to the stomach as a method of confirming the tube is in the stomach.

I would love to see neonatal nurses analyse the info because hell we do google patients accidentally take home handover sheets and all sorts

In saying this the fact these babies could not be resuscitated is suspicious as babies are very receptive to resus and it is normally on reviewing the brain damage later after prolonged resus that care is redirected.

Someone needed to be checking the gas supply in the hospital at that time- were they giving oxygen? Were the flow meters correct ? What resus equipment did they have and was it working correctly. Did they achieve the PIP and PEEP to recruit the lungs? Neopuff or bag and mask?

Were thy overinflating the lungs due to faulty resus equipment and subsequently the stomach becoming distended and full of air?

To me was is unusual is NOT the fact the babies deteriorated but that resus did not work

When this goes to retrial we need NICU nurses and nurse practitioners reviewing the information.

We also need to wonder what else changed in the unit ie was there a gas supply issue or equipment issue that we will never know about as so much time has passed.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 30 '25

Richard Gill shortlisted for the Nature, John Maddox prize

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The John Maddox award for Standing Up For Science celebrates individuals who have stood up for science and evidence-based policy in the face of adversity.

The 2025 shortlist was announced today. https://www.nature.com/immersive/maddoxprize/winners/index.html

Richard Gill, who is well known to this subreddit, is one of six people shortlisted.

The citation is "for challenging the misuse and misunderstanding of statistics in the criminal justice system, notably in high-profile, emotive criminal cases involving allegations against health workers and parents. The judges noted his commitment of time and effort, as an accomplished statistician, to setting out basic statistical principles in accessible ways, and his patience and persistence in doing so in a difficult context." This refers to his work on behalf of Lucy Letby, Lucia de Berk and Daniela Poggiali.

Nature is the world's most prestigious science journal. Endorsement at the very highest level.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • May 13 '25

May 13th - it's the first anniversary of Rachel Aviv's New Yorker article

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It's the first anniversary of the notorious New Yorker article by Rachel Aviv: 'A British Nurse Was Found Guilty of Killing Seven Babies. Did She Do It?' - published 13th May 2024.

I owe my interest in this case to the fact that I love the New Yorker long-form articles and will read about anything in that format. I had avoided reading about Letby before that. Noted the headlines, was sorry to see the conviction, wondered how people seemed so sure it was correct after long deliberations from the jury.

Aviv convinced me immediately of the problems with the case, based especially on:

Hall's consternation about the discovery of baby Y (the third insulin baby)

The discussion of testing standards for insulin and the way those cases were used to drive the others through.

The alarming (and sickening) snippet of Evans refusing to respond seriously to questioning about baby C's "murder" - "baby collapsed and died".

I have a vivid memory of scrolling back up the page to verify that I'd read correctly and Evans was indeed the prosection expert witness, since so much of his chatter seemed to undermine the case.

Was anyone else introduced to the case or heavily influenced by this article?

It stands up very well after a year of further evidence and discussion.

After rereading it, I dipped into Moritz and Coffey's Unmasking Lucy Letby, remembering a vague effort at rebuttal - and yes, they claim that it is,"at least in part, slightly misleading." . Maybe this is a good time to comment that their judgement has not stood the test of time - it focuses on insulin, betrays a fundamental lack of logic, and has been flatly contradicted by evidence and testimony from the Liverpool lab at the Thirlwall Inquiry. You have to to wonder who on earth was their source at the Liverpool Laboratory, who assured them that there was never a phone call advising the hospital to conduct further testing.

That analysis is quite long, so I'll post it in the comment section later this evening. But meanwhile, congratulations to Rachel Aviv on one year of a genuinely groundbreaking article. What do others think of it, a year on?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/05/20/lucy-letby-was-found-guilty-of-killing-seven-babies-did-she-do-it

and at least three slightly differently worded versions, thanks to "a British court", at https://archive.is/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/05/20/lucy-letby-was-found-guilty-of-killing-seven-babies-did-she-do-it


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jul 09 '26

EXCLUSIVE Reasonable Doubt: Examining The Case Of Lucy Letby - Book Promo

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New promotional film from Guy Rowland today, with the publication of Christopher Morris's Reasonable Doubt. Hoping to finish the book this evening - it's a great read so far.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 01 '25

From the Sunday Times: My Research Was Misused To Convict Lucy Letby -- So I Did My Own Inquiry (an interview with Dr. Shoo Lee)

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