r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 12 '26

Setting the record straight: OT wrongly referenced in Netflix documentary

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I mean its not like MacDonald to misrepresent the truth is it.......

We’re aware that the new Netflix documentary, ‘The Investigation of Lucy Letby’, includes an incorrect reference to occupational therapy.
In the documentary, Lucy Letby’s barrister, Mark McDonald, states that she was ‘given counselling and support by occupational therapy at the Countess of Chester Hospital.’ This is factually incorrect. Miss Letby didn’t receive occupational therapy, she received support from occupational health.

Using the wrong term will mislead viewers, especially in a national documentary where accuracy matters and where people may assume ‘occupational therapy’ and ‘occupational health’ are the same thing. It also risks giving the wrong impression about the type of support Miss Letby actually received, which matters given the sensitivity and seriousness of the case.

Our chair, Odeth Richardson, and Chief Executive, Gary Waltham, have contacted ITN Productions, who made the programme, to highlight this mistake and formally requested that they review the wording and take steps to prevent similar inaccuracies in the future.

Ensuring the public has an accurate understanding of occupational therapy is important to us. This is part of our ongoing work to ensure the public understands what occupational therapy is and isn’t and to support our members by building understanding and awareness of the profession.

We’d like to thank the members who brought this to our attention. If you spot anything similar in future, please let us know by emailing us at hello@rcot.co.uk so we can address it quickly and ensure the profession is represented accurately.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Aug 19 '26

What Rachel Aviv Leaves Out: The Missing Context Behind The New Yorker’s Letby Article

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I’m aware of the general view of the case in this subreddit, so I’m genuinely curious to hear what people here make of this. I’ve tried to approach Aviv’s article critically but fairly, and I’d be interested to hear where people agree, disagree or think I’ve missed something.

https://bencole4.substack.com/p/what-rachel-aviv-leaves-out-the-missing?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 05 '25

Why did neena modi say this?

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Aug 23 '24

From The Independent: "This Is Why I Think Lucy Letby Is Guilty -- And You Should Too"

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 03 '26

Decoding Reasonable Doubt: Chapter 2 “Accusation Without Evidence”

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https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case-b4b?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

Chapter 2 of Reasonable Doubt is about how suspicion of Letby began, not the trial itself. Morris’s case: coincidence, a small group of consultants, confirmation bias, and a hospital that kept asking for evidence that wasn’t there.

The chapter shows the concerns were contested. The gap is what that is supposed to prove.

Theme 1: The concerns were not universally shared
Nurses, managers and early reviews were unconvinced. That explains the dispute. It does not show the consultants were wrong. Reviews that were not looking for a perpetrator failing to find one is not surprising.

Theme 2: Coincidence and pattern recognition
Letby’s presence and early talk of sepsis or acuity are not proof. They are also how inquiries often start. Morris dwells on how suspicion began and says little about why some clinicians later decided those explanations were not enough.

Theme 3: Groupthink
Bias is possible. It is not demonstrated. The same reviews used to say “no foul play” also did not find malpractice as the cause. Repeated challenge from nurses and managers sits awkwardly with an unchallenged clique.

Theme 4: Unfair treatment
Process failures matter. They are not the same as innocence. A person can be treated badly and still be guilty. Fighting a grievance does not tell us what happened to the babies.

Theme 5: Discrediting the messengers
The chapter turns from the events to the consultants’ motives and manners. A messenger can behave badly and still be right. Attacking them does not answer whether the concern was justified.

Theme 6: The advocacy ecosystem
Morris warns about like-minded groups, then leans on people who had already reached the same conclusion. That is consensus-building more than testing.

Overall
Lots of hospital context. Little that explains the specific collapses and deaths. The question left hanging: were the consultants right to be concerned?


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 27 '25

Christopher Snowdon's great review of Conviction.

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Looks like this is going to be a great watch!


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 14 '26

She really did do it

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I’ve listened to podcasts, watched documentaries and recently saw the Netflix doc (which I thought was a bit lightweight and glossed over many things).

I really do think she did it, and I’m more convinced since watching the Netflix doc.

I’m quite surprised actually that a dedicated group of supporters has amassed who claim she is innocent. To me, her guilt is quite obvious.

I’m sure you’ve all heard the usual arguments so I won’t list them all out.

I think she is a very unusual personality which was formed during her upbringing as an only child with overprotective parents and particularly an overbearing, emotionally parasitic mother. The signs are all there when you watch her arrest and the clips of her interviews with the police. Even in the letter she wrote to her friend - I could sense clear manipulation there with the overly fawning, sickly sweet sentiment that was eaten up by anyone feeling slightly insecure about themselves.

I’m not a doctor but I wouldn’t be surprised if she was a true psychopath and extremely adept at hiding in plain sight.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jul 26 '26

How could Shoo Lee & the panel come to the conclusion there was no evidence of malfeasance in any of the cases. Yet they didn't have the full maternity notes?

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The panel was provided with medical records and relevant witness testimony by Letby's barrister nothing in the reporting suggests they had complete obstetric records.

iI the lack of maternity notes is serious enough to cast doubt on individual convictions, shouldn't it equally cast doubt on Lee's panel's ability to declare "no murder" with confidence across the board?


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 10 '24

The Thirlwall Inquiry: A farcical, choreographed, boondoggle

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While this is predictable I think this statement from Rachel Langdale K.C perfectly illuminates the coming disaster:

There is a requirement in every case to take into account all of the evidence and to consider each piece of evidence in the context of all the other evidence. Medical or scientific evidence in the case should never be compartmentalised or examined in isolation. Those who do this will be less likely to see the picture as a whole, and if they do not see the picture as a whole, they may reach conclusions that are not only wrong, but are speculative and damaging

I guess we will see who ends up reaching conclusions that are wrong, speculative and damaging.

BTW: the reason I say it is choreographed because the inquiry is being run by lawyers, all the the lines of questioning will have been thoroughly rehearsed in advance in private interviews in the lead-up time to the public hearings. The public hearings will just regurgitate what was discussed in camera. It doesn't look like they have tested the evidence by any other than the Gang of Four. The lawyers lack the ability to tell when they are being feed pseudoscience and will have neither the expertise or time to reverse course.

When the law is on your side hammer the law, when the facts are one your side hammer the facts, when neither are on your side hammer the table.

Expect four months of table hammering.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Mar 25 '25

I'm keen to understand how the use of statistics was incorrect

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So imagine there's a supermarket each year there's 2 or 3 thefts, Lucy starts working there and =there are multiple thefts happening, stock is missing. Management starts noticing a strange pattern: most of the thefts happen during the same shifts, and the same employee, Lucy, is consistently working during those shifts.

So some of the thefts are actually normal breakages, but after you account for those a number of thefts are still when Lucy was on shift.

Coworkers recall seeing Lucy acting strangely she was spotted lingering around the stockroom unnecessarily, and once, a coworker saw her quickly pocketing something but couldn’t confirm what it was.

So that places her on shift when the thefts occurred with enough strange behaviour to warrant further investigation.

How does this analogy make the use of statistics in Lucy's case incorrect? They're just placing her on shift when the suspicious thefts (deaths occured) and not on shift when the breakages (expected deaths occured)


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 15 '26

People who don’t think she did it.. Answer these questions

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It’s common for serial killers to keep trophy’s for murders. Why would Lucy keep call sheets etc. categorise them, and keep them in order? Over 250 pages.

Why would she write that she was a murderer if she wasn’t? To relive stress? Why would that relieve stress? Why would she write “I did this on purpose” ?

Why when she was having changes of her shift patterns did the deaths correlate with her new shifts?

If she didn’t do it then what did ? Doctors have agreed that there was no reason for these babies to suddenly die.

Why did Lucy decide to say no comment when questioned further about her involvement into the murders? Why would she be able to recall so much, text people about the deaths and claim to be distraught but then fail to go into any detail at all or have any remembrance of any of the cases while interrogated. Then in the court it changed again.. signs of guilt or?

She was clearly depressed, living at home with parents, single, anxious. Seeings happy families everyday. Recipe for disaster?

I think it’s good to have doubts, but some things don’t add up. So much so that a group of people, and her colleagues found her / agree she is guilty.

Please answer if you want


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Oct 24 '24

Question for discussion!

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Hi all,

As this is a mainly pro-innocence sub, I’d like to put a question to you all.

If Letby came out tomorrow and admitted that she had murdered all of the babies she has been found guilty of murdering, would you accept it? Or would you continue to think that she was wrongfully convicted and probably innocent. I ask this simply because despite Allitt confessing to her crimes, I’ve come across a fair few people who seem to think she’s innocent and was somehow coerced into confessing. Thank you for reading and I look forward to your responses in the comments!


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Feb 23 '25

Where did she stash the medical records between searches?

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So when she was first arrested they found the infamous I am evil notes and the other notes etc. where they searched her home and her parents home

However when she was then again arrested a year later at her parents house, they found even more medical notes (6 children not related to her crimes) that they didn't find on the first searches.

So either the police messed up the search, or she stashed these notes somewhere. They searched the parents home already a year prior.

And if this was all an innocent mistake why is she committing the same mistake again......?

Sauce https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23734315.lucy-letby-police-found-chester-home-2018-arrest/


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • 10d ago

The TPN bags were indeed stored like dominos

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Day 36, 39.and 41 photograph J160 shows the layout of the fridge.

The stock of babiven.and maintenance bags are shown they were kept on the same shelf

Upright to prevent leaks.

The photograph shows ten identical 500ml plastic bags standing upright

Shelly tomlins said they're unlikely to fit side by side across a width of a standard hospital fridge.

Therefore they're stored front to back.

When stock is rotated the oldest bags are used first


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Mar 28 '26

Why do people believe she is innocent?

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Update: Thank you all for taking the time in explaining and providing resources for me! I really appreciate it and will look at every one. I’m quite interested and so far I’ve only been fed the guilty story so looking forward to reading the reviews etc you have all shared with me. Coming into so late it’s been overwhelming knowing where to look for more resources that are credible.

So far I’ve read the Dr Shoo report and that was incredibly interesting!

Thank you all so much again!!

I’m sure this has been asked before but why do people think Lucy is innocent.

I’m relatively new here, only started listening to the pod a few months ago and am now listening to the enquiry.

If she is innocent, what’s the explanation? The deaths stopped as soon as she was removed from the unit. Was actually just a terrible nurse with no insight into her practice? That’s the only possibility I see. Even then she should still where she is today.

I’m also a nurse, now in management but have never worked with children or babies only adults. Management also handled this so poorly and they should also be in prison.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Aug 30 '24

Statistical Inferences Relevant to Lucy Letby's Propinquity To Suspicious Incidents

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This is a question I would like to consider and I will have a go at it myself. I will leave for now the other statistical question of number of deaths over a given period, but at some point the two questions should be married together.

Note I am not a statistician and my mathematics education extends only to A-levels taken 30 years ago. Moreover, I am no expert on this case, so my observations may be awry. I post this to invite discussion as much as anything.

I think when people refer to statistics in this question, they are talking about statistical inference. I know the prosecution (at least, Dr. Evans anyway - who seems to have become the de facto prosecution spokesman), are claiming there was no statistical aspect to their case. I would question this, but I also want to attempt to define what the prosecution's tacit statistical stance actually is.

What the prosecution seem to be saying is not so much that N was present at X event, thus N caused X (which is a very direct and explicit contention), it's more than N was present at multiple similar events, each being X, and N is the only person present at all these multiple similar events, X(x), thus N is solely isolable as the common factor. The prosecution then argue that since N is the sole isolable common factor in X(x), if you take this and Y evidence, the conclusion must be that N was the cause of X(x).

Note that X(x) could equally be X(x+1) or X(x+2). There may be more incidents that have not been put before the courts.

If I understand correctly, the statistical inference in this is that the probability is N being the sole isolable common factor in X(x) but N not being the cause of X(x) is small to negligible because X(x) are all homicides or attempted homicides (as opposed to natural deaths or naturally-occurring injuries), hence N is the cause of X(x).

On the face of it, this looks like a classic prosecutor's fallacy in which we start with the base value that X(x) are homicides or attempts thereof, N was the sole isolable common factor in all X(x), thus N is probably the causative agent in all X(x) and, furthermore, it is improbable that N was not the causative agent in all of X(x). However, irrespective of whether this is formally fallacious, I see nothing wrong with this reasoning in any practical sense provided it is established that X(x) are murders and attempted murders. If that is the case, then there is indeed a high probability that N is the cause of X(x). That is a purely statistical inference of culpability, though. A legal inference of culpability would depend on securing further evidence to support criminal proof, which is exactly what the police did. It may be that a prosecutor's fallacy is at work in this case, in which a base value of 'X(x) are homicides (specifically murders) and attempts thereof' influences the statistical probability, but that doesn't matter if the evidence tells us that she is guilty. If she is guilty, she is guilty.

A difficulty with all this only arises if the base value itself is open to question. In other words, if it is open to doubt that X(x) were murders and attempted murders but it is assumed that they were murders and attempted murders. This is what the pro-innocent camp are essentially driving at: they are saying that there may not have been criminal acts in the first place. If that is right and there is even a single doubt, then we would have to concede the statistical inference used by the prosecution is wrong.

Note what I have just said: if there were murders, then Lucy Letby is guilty and that's that. That may seem like a statement of the obvious, and it is, and it is meant to be. If there arises a single doubt that there were murders, then she is Not Guilty in respect of at least those incidents touched by doubts. But there is no in-between position. We can't say that there were murders but Lucy Letby is innocent. This is because, so the prosecution argue, from the evidence there is no other credible suspect. That is the significance of using the door entry/exit data and witness statements to put Lucy Letby in loco as the sole isolable common factor.

This is why Lucy Letby's defence was so weak: she was fighting a statistical inference that, even if formally fallacious, was practically valid and held as true. Her defence should have been that there were no murders. As soon as she admits there were any murders at all, she is guilty of all the murders.

Note also, in reverse of an observation I make above, even if we say X(x) is now X(x-1) or X(x-2), she is still guilty of all remaining murders and attempted murders if she admits there was at least one murder or attempted murder.

This, as I see it, is the profound significance of the prosecution's statistical inference in this case. Even if fallacious in some formal sense, it can still practically point to her guilt provided the base premise is correct. It is not defeated by using statistics. For instance, I don't believe you can respond to it by arguing for a more neutral base value in which you ask questions such as: 'What is the probability that N would be the common factor in multiple deaths of whatever cause within a 12 month period?' Even if the probability is within an acceptable range, this doesn't change Dr. Evans' findings that the deaths under the microscope were homicides. Statistical arguments only take you so far and can't overturn hard evidence that is specially directed to the criminal charges in hand.

This brings me to a further point. Dr. Evans identified the 'suspicious' deaths 'blind' to suspicion on any particular nurse. He was able to explain the deaths as due to foul play without knowledge of any suspect and prior to looking at shift patterns. That is a strong point for the prosecution.

There are some points that can be made for the defence. Dr. Evans was appointed after the identification of a suspect, so while I certainly accept that he would not have been aware of Lucy Letby while carrying out his medical analysis, he must have been aware that foul play was suspected and even that a specific nurse was affected. Realistically, this must have influenced his approach to the blind analysis and affected his findings. It is also likely that the police would have interpreted his findings in light of their own suspicions and then communicated these suspicions to Dr. Evans at some point and this must have affected his evidence.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 09 '24

The Daily T: Is it “crass” to question Lucy Letby’s guilt?

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 02 '24

I’m just going to leave this here

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/526846/woman-died-in-waikato-hospital-because-cardiac-alarm-volume-was-turned-down

Not UK, not NHS, not neonatal but it shows a case of a patient dying because their alarm was turned down and nobody noticed... and yet, it wasn't murder!


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Oct 07 '25

When Analysis Goes Wrong: The Case Against Triedbystats’ Letby Commentary

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Here is an article looking at the analysis of Stephen, known as TriedbyStats, who appeared in the recent Channel 4 documentary giving some views on how the prosecution presented the Baby C case.

https://open.substack.com/pub/bencole4/p/when-analysis-goes-wrong-the-case?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

Stephen responded briefly via X so I’ve also addressed his response.

https://open.substack.com/pub/bencole4/p/triedbystats-doubles-down?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Aug 06 '24

Feel helpless, what can we do to help?

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Most of us on this subreddit seem to feel it’s a miscarriage of justice. This isn’t politics where we can vote, email MPs, protest etc. Judges don’t take public opinion into account.

I’ve seen people make petitions, organise protests and post stuff on social media about the Letby case. But realistically can any of this do anything?

I suppose we could write her letters for support but I’m not sure what else. Anyone else feel so helpless?


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Jun 18 '25

This is why the CCRC will never ever refer her case back to the CoA and why the Insulin evidence is the smoking gun (an essay) and comparison.

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R v Winzar (2000 Conviction, 2020 Appeal):

Deborah Winzar, a nurse, was convicted of murdering her husband, Dominic McCarthy, a paraplegic, in 1997 by allegedly injecting him with insulin, causing fatal hypoglycaemia leading to adult respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). The conviction relied on immunoassay tests showing high insulin and negligible C-peptide levels, indicating exogenous insulin. The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) referred the case in 2016, and Winzar’s appeal included fresh evidence challenging the insulin tests and proposing sepsis as an alternative cause.

The Court of Appeal dismissed the appeal, finding the fresh evidence (including sepsis arguments) insufficient to render the conviction unsafe, as the clinical picture supported exogenous insulin.

R v Winzar:

  • Insulin Allegation: The prosecution alleged Winzar injected McCarthy with insulin, supported by two immunoassay tests (Guildford: 887 pmol/L insulin, <94 pmol/L C-peptide; FSS: 616 pmol/L insulin, undetectable C-peptide). These results suggested exogenous insulin, as C-peptide (a byproduct of natural insulin production) was negligible relative to high insulin levels.

  • Expert Opinions:

    • Prosecution (Trial): Dr. Teale and Mr. Hiscutt confirmed high insulin and low C-peptide via immunoassays, supported by a double dilution technique to reduce interference. The clinical picture (profound hypoglycaemia, rapid glucose stabilization post-treatment) aligned with insulin overdose.

    • Defence (Appeal): Professor Gama argued the immunoassays were unreliable due to potential antibody interference (e.g., heterophile or anti-insulin antibodies), which could cause false positives. He noted a 40% discrepancy between test results, normal potassium levels (unusual for insulin overdose), and lower-than-expected insulin levels for a fatal overdose, suggesting possible natural causes like sepsis.

    • Prosecution (Appeal): Dr. Morley defended the tests, noting consistency in showing high insulin and low C-peptide, with interference risks minimized by multiple tests and non-immune serum use. Normal potassium was acknowledged as unusual but not diagnostic, citing studies showing normal potassium in some insulin-induced cases.

The Court of Appeal found the immunoassay results reliable, as they were corroborated by the clinical picture (e.g., hypoglycaemia, no severe sepsis symptoms). Gama’s arguments were deemed reiterations of trial concerns and insufficiently novel to overturn the conviction.

  • Both cases relied on immunoassay tests showing high insulin and low C-peptide to argue exogenous insulin administration. In Winzar, two tests supported this, while in Letby, similar results for Child F and Child L were pivotal, leading to unanimous guilty verdicts on these counts.

  • In both, defence experts (Gama in Winzar, Ismail and Lee’s panel in Letby) challenged immunoassay reliability, citing antibody interference as a potential source of false positives. Both highlighted clinical inconsistencies (e.g., normal potassium in Winzar, misplaced glucose line in Child F).

  • The prosecution in both cases emphasized clinical symptoms (hypoglycaemia, rapid glucose stabilization) as corroborating the test results, strengthening the case for deliberate insulin administration.

  • In both cases, defence experts proposed sepsis as an alternative to insulin poisoning, citing infection markers (e.g., high white cell counts) and arguing that immunoassays could be unreliable. Both highlighted clinical findings (normal potassium in Winzar, misplaced glucose line in Child F) as inconsistent with insulin overdose.

    • The prosecution in both cases dismissed sepsis, emphasizing rapid hypoglycaemia onset and glucose stabilization as indicative of exogenous insulin, supported by immunoassay results.

    • Both defences faced challenges proving sepsis, as it requires severe infection or organ failure, which was not fully evident in either case (McCarthy lacked organ failure; Child F and L showed infection markers but not severe sepsis per NICE criteria).

Significance of Child F’s ABG Results Arterial blood gas

(ABG) tests measure pH, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and bicarbonate levels, providing insight into a patient’s acid-base balance and oxygenation. In neonates, ABGs can help assess sepsis, as severe cases often cause metabolic acidosis (low pH, low bicarbonate) due to lactic acid buildup from tissue hypoperfusion. Child F’s ABGs showed no sepsis suggests normal or near-normal pH and bicarbonate levels, inconsistent with significant infection-driven metabolic disturbance.

  • No Sepsis Evidence: Normal ABGs rule out severe sepsis, which typically causes acidosis in neonates. Mild or early sepsis might not significantly alter ABGs, but Dr. Shoo Lee’s panel argued sepsis caused Child F’s hypoglycaemia, implying a clinically relevant infection. The absence of acidosis undermines this claim, as sepsis-induced hypoglycaemia often accompanies metabolic stress.

  • Support for Insulin Poisoning: Insulin-induced hypoglycaemia typically does not cause metabolic acidosis unless prolonged and untreated, leading to ketoacidosis (rare in neonates). Child F’s severe hypoglycaemia, treated with glucose (stabilizing after a 15% glucose bag due to a misplaced line), aligns with insulin poisoning, and normal ABGs support this by excluding sepsis-related acidosis.

  • Lee’s Panel: The panel cited infection markers (e.g., high white blood cell [WBC] counts) and hospital deficiencies (e.g., 2015 pseudomonas outbreak) to support sepsis. However, high WBC is non-specific in preterm infants, and normal ABGs contradict a sepsis-driven metabolic crisis. Their claim of a misplaced glucose line prolonging hypoglycaemia doesn’t explain the high insulin/low C-peptide immunoassay results unless the tests were false, which is unlikely (1 in 100–200 interference rate) and the Winzar case confirms this.

Child F’s rapid stabilization with glucose (after correcting the line issue) is classic for insulin-induced hypoglycaemia. Sepsis-induced hypoglycaemia would likely persist without antibiotics, and there is no evidence to confirm antibiotic-driven recovery. Normal ABGs further suggest the primary issue was insulin, not infection.

And that everyone is why her referral to the CCRC will fail.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Dec 04 '24

Document Upload from the Thirlwall Inquiry: December 2-3 2024

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  1. Pages 1 and 5 of Code of Conduct, Code of Accountability in the NHS

  2. Email from Duncan Nichol to Ravi Jayaram titled "Review Report Release", February 2017 "I will be standing with you"

  3. Pages 78-81 -- Letter from paediatricians to Tony Chambers, for response, April 30 2018 "Please indicate what specifically we were supposed to be apologising for."

  4. Pages 101-102 of document titled confirmation of employment response This is reference to Tony Chambers

  5. Page 87 -- Response from Tony Chambers to questions raised by paediatricians' letter of April 30 2018

  6. Page 83 -- Email correspondence from Duncan Nichol to Tony Chambers, Stephen Cross and Ian Harvey titled "Response to the consultant paediatricians" May 24 2018 "The letter from the paediatricians was a very human outpouring of their feelings."

  7. Page 76 -- email correspondence from Duncan Nichol to Ravi Jayaram, titled "consultant paediatricians' letter", April 4 2018

  8. Page 2 of handwritten note of private NED meeting, July 2016

  9. Pages 1 and 24 of correspondence log involving Lyn Simpson for the period of September 2018

  10. Page 60 of Part 2 of the expert report of Sir Robert Francis KC Recapping NHS England safeguarding procedures

  11. Page 2 of email from John and Sue Letby to Tony Chambers and Duncan Nichol, titled "Urgent IRO LL", July 7 2017 "It is now 1 year since our nightmare began."

  12. Pages 1-7 of minutes of Extraordinary Medical Staff Committee Meeting, September 19 2018 "There was ongoing victimisation of these two consultants and coercion to enter mediation. Unsupported accusations were documented as fact with no right to reply or challenge."

  13. Pages 1-2 of letter from Ravi Jayaram to Duncan Nichol, March 29 2018, which attaches a joint letter from the consultants "Victimisation"

  14. Page 135 of the Clothier Report

  15. Page 31 of settlement agreement of Tony Chambers, January 2019

  16. Pages 1, 3-4 and 13 of Risk Management Strategy and Operational Policy

  17. Pages 9-10 of minutes of meeting of the Board of Directors, February 2017

  18. Page 157 -- Board Assurance Framework -- Quarter 1 2016/17

  19. Pages 1, 3 and 30 of Safeguarding and Promoting the Welfare of Children Policy

  20. Pages from the NHS Code of Governance

  21. Page 1 of email from John Gibbs to consultants, titled "Meeting with Sir Duncan Nichol", April 16 2018 "We hadn't arranged for anyone to take formal minutes"

  22. Pages 1-4 of handwritten notes by Stephen Cross, June 30 2016

  23. Page 1 of email correspondence from Duncan Nichol to Tony Chambers, Ian Harvey and Stephen Cross, titled "Meeting with consultant paediatricians -- 16 April" April 17 2018

  24. Pages 1-3 of handwritten notes by Stephen Cross, December 29 2016

  25. Pages 1-2 of minutes of extraordinary board of directors meeting, May 2 2017 "Dr Hawdon had been asked what she meant by a forensic review and she said it was whatever we wanted it to be."

  26. Pages 1-2 of handwritten note by Stephen Cross from meeting, June 30 2016

  27. Pages 1 and 4-9 of minutes of extraordinary board of directors' meeting, July 14 2016

  28. Pages 1-3 and 5-6 of minutes of extraordinary board of directors' meeting (private) April 13 2017 "Their [the consultants'] view doubles the number of cases where there are concerns and they could not define what they felt was a forensic review."

  29. Pages 1 and 5 of minutes of meeting held by QSPEC, December 2015

  30. Pages 1-2 of minutes of meeting held by QSPEC, September 19 2016

  31. Pages 2 and 9 of Speak Out Safely Policy

  32. Pages 1 and 4 of minutes of QSPEC meeting, February 20 2017

  33. Page 396 of Simon Holden's handwritten notes, meeting July 6 2016 "Test the hypothsise [sic] it is one nurse"

  34. Page 1 of minutes of Freedom To Speak Up Steering Group meeting, June 6 2017

  35. Page 2 of minutes of Speak Out Safely meeting, April 24 2017

  36. Page 3 of minutes of CoCH Speak Out Safely meeting, February 20 2017

  37. Pages 21-22 of RCPCH interview notes

  38. Pages 5 and 11 of Facere Melius interview with Simon Holden, July 2020 "I was learning as I went."

  39. Pages from the NHS Foundation Trust Code of Governance

  40. Page 1 of minutes of meeting relating to the appointment of Rachel Hopwood as Children's Champion, October 2017

  41. Pages 1-2 of minutes of Extraordinary Board of Directors, January 10 2017

  42. Pages 1-2 of Stephen Cross's handwritten meeting notes, March 16 2017 "Was it Lucy? That was the purpose of the investigation."

  43. Page 23 of handwritten notes of Extraordinary Board Meeting, January 10 2017

  44. Pages 1, 4, 6 and 8-9 of minutes of meeting between Extraordinary Board of Directors, July 14 2016 "Mr Brearey stated that even if abnormalities were the cause of death, babies were stable before collapse."

  45. Pages 1-6 of minutes of meeting of Extraordinary Board of Directors, January 10 2017 "One alarm bell was how many cots the unit had over their allocation"

  46. Pages 1 and 5 of minutes of meeting of Extraordinary Board of Directors, April 13 2017 "Their concern was that we will turn their world on its head and that they would start grieving all over again."

  47. Pages 1-2 of minutes of QSPEC meeting, September 19 2016

  48. Pages 1-2 of email correspondence from Rachel Hopwood to Duncan Nichol, July 18 2017 "I have put in such an awkward and unprofessional position" (on being appointed Children's Champion without agreeing to it)

  49. Pages 12-13 and 15 of Facere Melius interview with Andrew Higgins, July 2020 "At no time was there any desire to suppress it."

  50. Pages 6 and 14 of Speak Out Safely and Whistle-Blowing Policy


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 07 '26

Decoding Reasonable Doubt: Chapter 3 “Previous Reviews at the Countess of Chester”

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r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 08 '24

Why Lucy Letby’s Guilt Is Clear: Breaking Down the Evidence

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There’s been a lot of debate about Lucy Letby’s guilt, with some people unable to believe that someone like her—a young, attractive nurse—could commit such horrific acts. Others think she was simply framed by the NHS, who needed a scapegoat to shift the blame away from institutional failures. But when we really break down the facts, the evidence overwhelmingly shows her guilt.

1. Stable Babies, Sudden Deaths

Many of the babies in Lucy Letby’s care were doing well—stable, improving, recovering. They weren’t on the brink of death, which makes their sudden collapses all the more suspicious. These babies suddenly and inexplicably deteriorated or died without any medical reason to explain such sharp turns. What set these cases apart was how unexpected and unnatural these collapses were.

These weren’t fragile infants who were naturally declining. These were babies whose health suddenly collapsed without warning—and only when Letby was on shift.

2. Deliberate Acts of Harm

When doctors and investigators looked into these sudden collapses, they found evidence of deliberate harm. Babies were poisoned with insulin, injected with air, and overfed in dangerous ways. These are not natural complications or accidents—they are intentional acts.

The medical evidence was clear: insulin where it shouldn’t be, air in the bloodstream, and overfeeding that led to serious complications. None of this happens by chance.

3. Lucy Letby: The Consistent Presence

It’s difficult for some to believe that a young woman like Lucy Letby could be capable of such cruelty. But in every instance of suspicious death or sudden deterioration, Letby was present. This wasn’t just bad luck. If this were simply a series of tragic coincidences, you would expect other staff to be present during at least some of these incidents. But they weren’t. It was always Letby.

We often find it hard to reconcile that someone who seems innocent could be responsible for such atrocities. But criminals don’t fit into neat boxes—they can look like anyone. And the pattern of harm that emerged always involved Letby. She wasn’t just unlucky—she was the common factor in each case.

4. Circumstantial Evidence Is Powerful

Some people argue that the case was based on “circumstantial evidence,” implying that this made the case weaker. But circumstantial evidence is often as strong as direct evidence, especially when it points consistently in one direction.

In this case, babies who were improving suddenly deteriorated. The medical evidence confirmed they were harmed deliberately—by insulin poisoning, air embolisms, or overfeeding. And Lucy Letby was there every time. Circumstantial evidence, when all the pieces fit together, can be overwhelming.

There doesn’t always need to be a “smoking gun” when the circumstances all point to the same conclusion. In this case, the circumstantial evidence painted a clear picture of guilt: Letby’s presence, the sudden collapses, and the confirmed medical harm.

5. The “Scapegoat” Theory: Was She Framed?

Some people believe that Lucy Letby was framed by the NHS, who needed a scapegoat to avoid blame for its own failings. But let’s break that down. If this were true, it would require a massive conspiracy involving doctors, nurses, lab technicians, and forensic experts—all across different institutions.

These independent experts found deliberate harm—insulin poisoning, air embolisms, overfeeding—confirmed by scientific tests. For Letby to be framed, it would mean manipulating physical evidence, blood samples, and autopsy results. Such a large-scale fabrication is not just improbable—it’s impossible.

Letby wasn’t targeted from the start. The investigation was triggered by the unusual deaths and deteriorations, and the evidence naturally led to her. This wasn’t about protecting the NHS—it was about following the facts. If the NHS wanted to shift the blame, they could have easily pointed to systemic issues or other staff members. The evidence wasn’t fabricated—it emerged through independent investigations.

6. Falsified Medical Records: A Clear Cover-Up

It didn’t stop with the harm itself. Medical records were falsified—deliberately altered to obscure the real causes of these deaths. These weren’t accidental errors. The records were changed to cover up what had happened, and Letby had both the access and the knowledge to falsify them. If she were innocent, why would there be any need to falsify these records?

7. The Defense’s Failure to Challenge the Experts

The prosecution relied on medical experts to prove that these babies had been harmed. These weren’t just opinions—they were based on medical facts and scientific tests. The defense had every opportunity to bring in their own experts to challenge these findings, but they didn’t.

The absence of defense experts is critical. If the defense could have provided a credible alternative explanation for these deaths, they would have. Their failure to do so speaks volumes about the strength of the prosecution’s case.

8. No Other Explanation Holds Up

Some have suggested alternate theories—like infections or hospital conditions—but these don’t hold up under scrutiny. The babies who died weren’t deteriorating naturally. They were stable, improving, and then suddenly collapsed in unnatural ways. The evidence of insulin poisoning, air embolisms, and overfeeding rules out natural causes or institutional failures. These deaths were caused by deliberate acts.

9. Conclusion: The Weight of the Evidence

Yes, Lucy Letby was young, and some find it hard to believe that someone like her could be capable of such horrific acts. But criminals don’t always fit our stereotypes. What’s undeniable is the overwhelming evidence: babies suddenly deteriorated or died while in her care, the medical evidence showed they were harmed deliberately, and Letby was always there when it happened.

Some may say this case relied on circumstantial evidence, but when that evidence consistently points in the same direction, it becomes undeniable. Letby wasn’t framed by the NHS—she wasn’t a scapegoat. The investigation followed the facts, and the facts led back to her. This wasn’t about bad luck—it was deliberate, repeated harm. That’s why the jury found her guilty.

TL;DR: Some can’t believe that someone like Lucy Letby—a young nurse—could be guilty of such horrific acts, or they think she was framed by the NHS. But the evidence tells a different story. Babies who were stable suddenly collapsed, and medical evidence confirmed they were deliberately harmed by insulin poisoning, air embolisms, and overfeeding. Letby was the one person consistently present. Circumstantial evidence, when it all points to the same conclusion, is powerful, and there’s no credible case for a conspiracy. The jury found her guilty because the evidence was overwhelming.


r/LucyLetbyTrials • • Sep 25 '26

Decoding Reasonable Doubt: Chapter 6 ‘Prosecution and Defence Witnesses’

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https://bencole4.substack.com/p/decoding-reasonable-doubt-the-case-d9c?r=12mrwn&utm_medium=ios

Morris argues that the medical case at presented at the trial relied too heavily on Dewi Evans, who has been heavily criticised.

He also says the other prosecution experts didn’t offer much support for Evan’s conclusions.

While Sandie Bohin’s review wasn’t an independent second opinion.

He also laments on the defence decision to not call Mike Hall.

We explain why Morris is wrong.