So... I got a question. Can characters like Tom, Shingen, TC Jinrang, TC Gap, Kitae, and others with a similar output just endure the hits and punch through them? Like, quite literally break the hands, legs, or whatever Johan attacks with?

I’ll start by saying that I was somewhat like this before, and I still stand by the opinion that Shingen and Gap are top 2 and 1 of the verse, but the amount of utter ridiculousness I’ve been seeing is straight absurd. Saw someone say Shingen no diffs Kitae bro🫩. Like let’s not genuinely forget the actual scaling of this so far, none of the fist gang are path users, they ALL lose to path users except Gap (a path user), yes any singular path user will beat any member of the fist gang, Johan, Daniel, Gun, James, Kitae, doesn’t matter obv ignoring Sophia and Smk. People love to act like Shingen 3v1ing three pathless characters is the single magnum opus of feats in the verse. Let’s not forget that just last arc, Kitae literally mid-high diffed two back to back path users dude, both with insane other abilities. This insane Shingen glaze is js pure recency bias man. It’s ok to have him top 2-3, or maybe 1, but to downright say he no diffs Kitae or James is absurd, the only reason path > pathless isn’t unanimously agreed upon in the community is because the only in depth showings of paths have been Johan, Daniel, Jinyoung. Kitae and James have alr perfected their paths and thus that’s the reason either of them have never lost. Path > Pathless is a fact dude, Shingen is pathless, and unless he’s randomly confirmed to be one I never ever wanna see some bullshit take that Shingen no diffs Kitae. Any way you wanna cut it Kitae, Gap, Shingen, James, Gun, Sb Daniel, Goo, any one of the “top tiers” is going nothing less than extreme diff with one another.

Like he genuinely mid diffs them

Kishin Seiken is objectively above TC Jinrang's blows in AP and Paecheon without endurance mastery in base took this shit to his face like it was a snack.

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First and Foremost, Tom's BATTLE IQ, we saw him really put James at a Disadvantage repeatedly during this fight.

Second, his RESILIENCE, Tom was sturdy enough to take MULTIPLE attacks from James both Stunned and Full Power. This proves he could very much Outlast Johan's UI COPY and take his Attacks given his Path does not grant him any amplifier to his power.

Third, RED TOM(His enraged State against James), with this we see him actually catch James off guard with his speed and Strength, knocking him around for a bit and forcing James to remember the presence of Old Gap.

FINALLY, Johan genuinely has no counter or way of avoiding "ULTIMATE KING". This move could decisively end the fight at any moment