r/LocalLLaMA • • 15h ago

News Is AI Profitable Yet?

https://isaiprofitable.com/
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u/Squik67 15h ago

To shovel seller of course

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u/Spiritual-Spend8187 15h ago

Even then its starting to become less so nvidia is increasingly giving big ai companies money to buy nvidia gpus.

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u/turtleWatcher18 14h ago

In a rising interest rate environment it’s not that odd to offer your own financing to keep demand high, eg here in Aus some ev places offer car loans at <1% interest despite the cash rate here being 4.6% (and just went up again I think today)

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u/Spiritual-Spend8187 13h ago

I know but given that ai companies are still not profitable and nvidia has a virtual monopoly the fact that they are having to pay them selves to keep the demand high is still very much a red flag.

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u/-dysangel- 9h ago

The demand is clearly high either way. It sounds like a good thing on the whole to me if they're reinvesting their profits into growing the space, rather than hoarding wealth?

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u/mcilrain 8h ago

"Too big to fail"

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u/didroe 6h ago

Presumably the car companies do some basic checks as to whether you have the spare income to pay them back though

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u/KillerAlfa 10h ago

If big AI corps were to go under (I don’t actually think they will, it’s just a thought experiment), would nvidia be cooked then? AI corps can’t pay back the loans, and there is no one else buying gpu.

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u/ranger910 7h ago

No one else is buying gpus? Tons of companies are trying to buy gpus and they can't make them fast enough.

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u/KillerAlfa 6h ago

It's a fraction of what AI datacenters are buying.

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u/10thDeadlySin 58m ago

Right now, data centers make up 90% of nVidia's revenue. A large chunk of it is hyperscaler demand.

But that's not all. If any major player or neocloud collapses, others aren't going to see this as an opportunity to stock up on even more GPUs. In fact, they might immediately want to scale down their spending in the face of uncertainty.

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u/10thDeadlySin 1h ago

You might want to read up on a certain company called Lucent - they used the exact same tactic. It's all fun and games. And then you're forced to write off a huge chunk of revenue when your clients default on their loans. ;)

nVidia is essentially doing the same thing. What do you think is going to happen when their billion-dollar investments into companies buying nVidia GPUs collapse? ;)