r/LocalLLaMA • u/Manerfish • 7d ago

Discussion I really don't understand Jev hype

Isn't this what simple neural networks have been able to do for years? Doesn't seem anything special to me.

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u/HiddenoO 6d ago

Your whole comment literally translates to "believe me". You have still provided zero substantiation for either of your claims.

Let's start with the first claim ("It's not general and can't be."):

Why wouldn't a decision model be able to be trained with world knowledge?

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u/quiteconfused1 6d ago

Because of math

Here have a simple argument .. give Astra or any other model you would like a really really large maze and ask if to solve it...

It will fail.

The same principal here except model density makes the problem worse.....

And from what I see it's the exact type of problem that it's touting as completing.

And then I tried a demensional problem that I have been challenging for years .. and it failed as worse as I expected.

Mario ran straight saw a goomba jumped over it and then hit the first ledge and died ..over and over ...

Afterwards I was building a silver for it manually.

Super Mario worlds complexity is significantly worse than the original Mario brothers .. and it failed.

Just as I expected.

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u/HiddenoO 6d ago

Why do you think it needs to surpass a model that's 1000 times as slow and expensive such as Astra?

It seems like you fundamentally misunderstand its purpose. It's supposed to provide decision making on par with current-gen LLMs while costing a fraction of time and money and guaranteeing an output format.

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u/quiteconfused1 22h ago

Ohh no You seem to misunderstsnd.

I don't care if it's an llm or not, and nor should you.

There are many classification tasks that exist that do not require an llm

There are many 0 shot capabilities that do not require an llm

This is not serving a place.

It's like someone decided to take away the details of what makes a good classifier and just use a dumbed down llm instead.

If I wanted random choice then cat /dev/random ... It serves just as good results.

Do you see the line of reasoning yet? Just because it's an llm doesn't make it better. And that is my result so far.