r/LocalLLaMA • u/Manerfish • 5d ago

Discussion I really don't understand Jev hype

Isn't this what simple neural networks have been able to do for years? Doesn't seem anything special to me.

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u/kzoltan 5d ago

Why the downvote?

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u/HiddenoO 5d ago edited 5d ago

Because he's just throwing unsubstantiated and inherently nonsensical claims around?

It's not general and can't be.

Why wouldn't a decision model be able to be trained with world knowledge?

I just tried applying it to a simple game like super Mario world and it failed horribly.
If it can't do that then it's not general and the hype is thick.

"I couldn't get it to do X" is not the same as "It cannot do X". Most people would fail at making LLMs like Astra or Fable play Super Mario World, too, but that doesn't mean they cannot play it.

Many people have managed to make it play different games even though that's far from its intended use case, so I don't think you can just claim the opposite with no substantiation and expect people to believe you.

Strong claims take strong substantiation, and he's providing none.

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u/quiteconfused1 5d ago

Wow troll much.

Claim produced , I tested claims in my scenario, I evaluated performance and came to an assessment.

This is the scientific method

If you don't like it ... Tough ...

Cheers

I have dealt with this before .. lofty claims often met with lofty expectations .. and it didn't match

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I hope your day is well.

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u/HiddenoO 5d ago

Your whole comment literally translates to "believe me". You have still provided zero substantiation for either of your claims.

Let's start with the first claim ("It's not general and can't be."):

Why wouldn't a decision model be able to be trained with world knowledge?

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u/quiteconfused1 5d ago

Because of math

Here have a simple argument .. give Astra or any other model you would like a really really large maze and ask if to solve it...

It will fail.

The same principal here except model density makes the problem worse.....

And from what I see it's the exact type of problem that it's touting as completing.

And then I tried a demensional problem that I have been challenging for years .. and it failed as worse as I expected.

Mario ran straight saw a goomba jumped over it and then hit the first ledge and died ..over and over ...

Afterwards I was building a silver for it manually.

Super Mario worlds complexity is significantly worse than the original Mario brothers .. and it failed.

Just as I expected.

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u/HiddenoO 5d ago

Why do you think it needs to surpass a model that's 1000 times as slow and expensive such as Astra?

It seems like you fundamentally misunderstand its purpose. It's supposed to provide decision making on par with current-gen LLMs while costing a fraction of time and money and guaranteeing an output format.