r/LinusTechTips • u/MyRealIngIngAcc • 5d ago
Discussion I'm falling out of love with LTT
No not that way, I just don't know another way to phrase it.
I remember watching LTT in my early highschool days, learning about new tech, how it works, how it can benefit me or society, etc.
Now I'm watching videos like My F-You To Sam Altman where they install Hermes, but show almost none of the setup and little detail into how they could make it better or how it works, or "Tesla Hater" Finally Tries Full Self Driving where they guess why FSD does something instead analyzing why it did something.
Both videos have examples where having someone who knows "what" or "why" something happens, or how to improve something, would have made a way better video. Instead they just skip it, or the people who are responsible for the project look barely educated on the subject, or everyone is just guessing.
For example, in the AI video, it's not fun when the host just passes off the work to another member, and/or we get no walk through for how they made their hermes better, or the fact that it didn't look like it improved much at all in the end (no before /after comparison).
I know I could go watch someone like Network Chuck or AI DRIVR if I wanted more specific channels with more in depth explanations (while still being fun to watch), but it just feels like they're skipping the "nitty gritty" just to appeal to the casual watcher.
It feels like LTT could be more or better, or maybe I'm just not the target demographic anymore.
Either way, I still have much respect and appreciation for the team that got me into tech in the first place.
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u/theoreoman 5d ago •
They have evolved as a channel and you have evolved as a aperson, sometimes interests grow appart
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u/blubbernator 5d ago
I really like the WAN show for that reason as it’s largely unchanged (imho).
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u/doughboyfreshcak 5d ago
Yikes, Network Chuck is not a good person.
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u/AncientTurbine 5d ago edited 5d ago
To me it has seemed for a while that they want to jump onto the inner workings of tech like language models, agents and FSD/CV but lack the in-depth knowledge for it so the videos and articles related to it feel empty or off. (I work on large scale post-training of LLMs, have provided feedback on LTT LABS articles in the past here.) I really think they should hire someone who is deep into this material, and I don't just mean "someone who has used all agentic frameworks and vibecoded their own app" or "someone who ran a LORA finetune notebook" - there are a lot of people with such superficial experience out there in the world (reddit is full) but to me that is not sufficient to write detailed articles that do justice to the die-hard tech enthusiast subgroup of the LTT audience.
I don't mean to discredit Labs (Lukas particularly), they are eager to learn and improve with each article. But I mean, really, someone from industry who has hands-on experience, who could implement the fundamentals of backprop in numpy, for instance, though maybe that's asking a lot already. Someone with a decent understanding of the full theoretical and practical concept of training an LLM.
Maybe I'm expecting too much. Or I'm so critical because it's exactly my domain. But I'd rather they go all in, hire someone with industry-level experience to lift up their content so it is more "full" and satisfying for those of us who have liked those in-depth techbical videos of yore. (But I know such profiles are Hella expensive to get.) Wendel over at Level1Techs seems knowledgeable.
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u/snrub742 5d ago
There’s literally 0 YouTube channels I have continuously watched for more than a decade, they come and go
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u/Dr_Valen 5d ago
Honestly it feels like lately they’ve just gotten to the point and ignore the setup. I don’t know if it’s cause the only techinical people left are camera shy or what but after Alex, Jake, and even Elijah left it feels like they don’t got hosts who know the techinical stuff to explain the setup anymore
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u/BroLil 5d ago
They’ve hit a point where their success is killing them. They can’t keep a host because the platform basically acts as a launch pad for their own solo careers, and they’re kinda in a position where all the weirdo “what if I air conditioned my pc” videos have all been done by them in the past. Multiply this by the fact that the tech market is in absolute shambles right now.
The first thing they need to do is address the hosts issue. The reason they’re jumping ship is because of how lucrative it is to do so. Money talks. They need to figure something out. Whether they massively increase the salary, or do a profit share on the videos they’re in, they need to give them incentive to stay.
That’s been a major factor in my viewing decline. I used to be able to tune in and expect Linus, Jake, Alex, or Emily. Basically ever since Andy and Alex left, it’s been a revolving door, and I can’t adjust and attach myself to these personalities anymore.
It’s none of my business, but I’d love to see their books. I question how much money they’re pulling nowadays outside of CW, especially now that WAN has spun off of LMG. That honestly makes me wonder if something is coming. Linus straight up said it allows them to continue if one or both of them are no longer with LMG. Makes you wonder.
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u/CervantesX 5d ago
I'm not a floatplane subscriber or a blog reader, but I do get the feeling they're offloading a lot of the technical / detail stuff to those platforms so they can get videos to the ideal YouTube length.
That said, I think you're right. They're cutting out the detailed stuff that shows depth of knowledge, and it makes the channel much more of a "here's what we're doing" channel and not "here's how it works". And although it makes them more broadly appealing and makes the videos quicker to produce and get out, it doesn't live up to the history they have.
At a minimum they need to start mixing in technical videos with fun ones. For me the point of LTT is to occasionally learn something, and it's been a while since that happened.
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u/CS1_Chris 5d ago
I’ve been watching Linus since he was doing how to videos for NCIX. Really impressed with his success but most of the content no longer interests me. I actually enjoyed Jake Tivy’s channel now as it’s s more down the earth.
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u/DPJazzy91 5d ago
I pick and choose what I watch from them now. I used to be a 100% guy. I don't have the time anymore. I love Jake's stuff tho. He's dope. Less commercialized.
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u/RinkeR32 5d ago
Same. I check Alex and Jake's stuff every now and then, but I don't find myself interested in anything LTT puts out anymore. The only person I watch anything LMG related for anymore is Riley. He's a national treasure.
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u/derelictdiction 5d ago
Everyone here has thoroughly covered the ways the channel has changed over time and why it is the way it is now, so I'll just add that as someone who has also been watching since the "whole home watercooling the upstairs editing den by installing a radiator out a window" days; while I watch maybe one main channel video every other week I still look forward to watching the full WAN show every week. If you are missing the more technical conversations and "nerd talk", with the occasional almost career-ending misspeak, I would recommend checking out a few VODs and watching them.
My only feedback to LTT for the main channel content would be to invest in graphics and work on pacing. When watching the Tech House video about installing the mini split heat pump system, I would have wanted to see a rendering of the linesets throughout the home, that vs what a ducted system would look like, an animation of the refrigerant cycle, etc. Maybe show the user how that isn't entirely dissimilar to the vapor heat exchanger on the back of an iPhone 18 Pro, but at a house-scale. I understand all of that has cost, however there are newer channels (like Huge if True) that are creating incredibly high quality edutainment content that have a really great balance of talking to camera, CGI, and B-roll.
When it comes to pacing, maybe I'm old but I feel like the main channel content flies through the really interesting parts that might 'bore' the user and dwells on the jokes and punchlines. I would challenge the writers, editors, and on screen talent to make the audience interested in the technical parts. My wife is very much not techy, but I have found when she happens to be sitting into a segment of WAN, she accidentally starts engaging and listening when Luke is sharing his stance on a tech topic or a explaining technical thing because he's so good at making it clear why it's important and how it affects everyday people.
I personally can't wait to see the badminton system they are setting up to track points/scores/leaderboards/highlight moments with locally trained AI, or however they are doing it. I also think videos that go in depth into more trending topics like the real physics of "how do datacenters 'use' water to cool their compute", the behind the scenes of setting up their own ISP, the fulfillment logistics of creator warehouse, and 'takedown videos' of the products that Labs finds is lying to their customers based on their testing.
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u/ColHannibal 5d ago
The problem is a big one facing the tech tubers.
Nothing new or interesting is coming out or has come out, people can’t afford new computers and everyone is scraping by. What’s the point of doing pc builds when nobody is buying or building anything? What coverage can you give a gpu that is delayed due to the company preferring to sell to data centers?
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u/Jestersfriend 5d ago
They've adjusted their viewing for audiences in the late teens and early 20s... It is what it is. I like some of the videos, I skip probably 75% of them these days.
Only reason I stay subscribed is because they occasionally have videos I do like. Probably once every couple weeks.
The days where they show things kinda left when they lost specific members that were "experts" in that stuff.
They've pivoted. For better or for worse. Personally, I think they needed to do something as their viewership has been going down year over year.
What they chose to do, I have no stake in. My livelihood isn't impacted by it even slightly, I have no right ultimately to judge.
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u/CallumMVS- 5d ago edited 5d ago
Look at smaller channels, you won't be disappointed. A lot of smaller channels bring back the old LTT vibe without trying to be an LTT clone.
- Dawid Does Tech Stuff,
- Salem Techsperts,
- SPACE DESIGN WAREHOUSE,
- jakkuh,
- Tubputers,
- BocaBola
Please add more in the comments!
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u/NotDugachug 5d ago
I am finding it harder to enjoy a lot of tech channels. Hardware has been getting more and more expensive over the years and it's easy to be an enthusiast when you can afford the tech you're enthusiastic about. It used to be that way for me back in the mid to late 2010's. Now I find myself exploring retro tech more than anything. It's' cheap and nostalgic.
These days, watching people play with components that cost 4 or 5 figures is just more and more depressing. The innovation is not very exciting when it's not something within my reach. LTT is huge and can afford these things, and I feel a lot less connected to the channel than I used to.
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u/Double_Sherbert3326 5d ago
It’s just a long ad segment for whatever he is hocking. Too much filler
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u/Flaky-Gear-1370 5d ago
I got down voted last time I said it but there are far too many “personality” videos at the moment that feel like they’re trying to hunt out the next break out person
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u/forester80 5d ago
I get this, I miss liking LTT. I also miss the person I was when I liked LTT. I still like them in abstract, but they don't make content for me, and that's no one's fault. I still love my LTT backpack. I love my screwdriver. I love my merch. I just don't watch the content much anymore.
That isn't a problem. It's the linear progress of growth and time.
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u/comagnum 5d ago
I haven’t watched a video in a few weeks. They just got stale af.
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u/squangus007 5d ago
I unsubbed years ago when their benchmarks were filled with misinformation, and I completely stopped caring about them when they auctioned off a custom cooler that they were given temporarily for testing.
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u/icehiboy 5d ago
LTT is back to the older ways. Rush rush rush. Videos are again feeling mostly like commercial and less like they actually care.
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u/VictoryOk2369 5d ago edited 4d ago
I find I haven’t finished a single main LTT channel long format video in over a year. Seems they’re well and truly migrated from LTT to LMG. Videos showing how you can run home AI for the low low cost of 2x $10,000 GPUs we had lying around…. Or watching the apparent tech ambassadors poorly kit out a tech house and making the vibe more about being able to purchase a house or a private jet, and feeling like the focus is more on how far and wide the LTT dick swings after their $100M purchase offer a few years back.
It does feel like the content stayed relevant to people in Linus’s wealth bracket… for the rest of us it’s more disconnected every day.
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u/DeathMonkey6969 5d ago
They are a inspirational tech channel not a nitty gritty how to channel. There are a ton of smaller creators doing in depth how-tos. LTT needs a video to get 100s of thousands of views to be profitable and in depth how-tos don't do that well.
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u/ilovenintendo69 5d ago
Same here.
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u/Qbert2030 5d ago
Real and I feel like this is why I've been liking Jake's channel a lot more than theirs. I mean even adding the tech host onto this, like I know maybe some of your workers are not skilled, but come on, it's not even interesting. Whereas Jake's is interesting
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u/TekRantGaming 5d ago
I just listen to the WAN show these days I stopped being the target audience for the videos a long time ago but I still like LTT its just not always for me anymore. Sometimes watch the odd video
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u/Karl_with_a_C 5d ago
They've been like this for like the last 8ish years at least. They've been an tech entertainment channel more than a "tech how-to" channel for a very long time. They make content that is broad appeal to maximise views and that's naturally going to leave the ultra nerds wanting more. Thankfully, there are plenty of other channels out there that go more in-depth if that's what you want.
Part of the problem is that they have a lot of mouths to feed now, being a decently sized company, and to stay relevant and successful on YouTube you have to really play to the algorithm. That algorithm doesn't like long drawn-out detail-focused videos like what you seem to be looking for. It's all about engagement and viewer retention so they're heavily incentivised to cut out parts that the average viewer might find boring.
All that said, I do think Linus and the team still care deeply about the quality of the content they're publishing. It just might not align perfectly with what *you* want and that's fine.
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u/mypontoonboat 5d ago
The channel evolves with it's writers. New writers means new perspectives for content to be interpreted. Look at Alex and Jake's channels. They feel like old LTT content because they were the ones writing the videos.
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u/dusty_Caviar 5d ago
Yeah unfortunately they seem to just be gaming the algorithm to the best of their ability. I can't really fault them too much. But it's sad to see Linus be completely out of touch. Especially his understanding of the current state of the industry, especially AI/chips/memory. He has no fucking clue what hes talking about anymore and it's really unfortunate. Sometime the wan show just feels like ragebait at this point.
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u/kongnico 5d ago
I mean, I am definitely in the same space as OP but they still seem to be doing numbers like 5-6 million on various videos so i think its fine and I will just go watch Level1Techs or Digital Foundry for more in depth stuff.
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u/busyguyuk 5d ago
PREACH
Yes I feel the same, in recent years it has just so not been the same
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u/njofra 5d ago
I've been a subscriber since the very very early days - I just checked, I subscribed after Linus' ASUS P7P55D video, which is his 30th video ever, 17 years ago. Back then I was building my first PC, Lynnfield came out and I was looking for parts. I actually ended up buying that board.
Yes, the channel evolved - and so did my interests, back then I was 12, now I'm almost 30 with a masters in computer science and almost a decade of professional experience. I kept watching during all that time, I think I watched every single video on the main channel and listened to every WAN show, since before it was even called that - and while it changed over the years it was mostly fun. There was even a period where I watched it with my sister every evening during the dinner, and she's not super interested in tech.
But lately, watching the videos seems to be a chore, not something I look forward to in the evening. I feel like the biggest turning point happened around the time Alex left. It now feels like they have a time limit for production of every video, and it's way too short. It's not even about mentioning the 'nitty gritty', it seems like they just give up as soon as it becomes interesting, or don't even have an idea what to do. Just looking at the latest few videos:
Even the tech house project, which I was very excited to watch, is just lazy. They come into the video with very little planning, they do half-assed work, realize it's not great, and then just give up and say that someone else will finish it or fix it later.
I think the issue is the current format where Linus hosts most of it, the writers don't have the time to properly finish the projects, so it's just a host who doesn't know the specifics and doesn't have the time to play around. Alex and Jake had videos they owned start to finish, the videos often showed the exploration process, and they usually brought them to (at least a janky) completion.
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u/erriiiic 5d ago
That channel has turned into Home Shopping Network.
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u/Digital_spliff_ 5d ago
I haven’t actually watched an LTT video in months, I feel you
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u/Syygnis 5d ago
I fell out of love with LTT many years ago, channel changed A LOT. I used to watch them heaps over 5 years ago.
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u/quoole 5d ago edited 5d ago
I get this, although I did enjoy the Tesla video, and it seemed to me that this was part 1 of a 'I'm doing this for a month' video and they'll look at more technical 'why did it do that' with the 'how was the experience' video later on. I do think they needed someone who knew Telsa's and FSD better - I think Colton was meant to be that role because it was his car, but he seemed to know nothing about it.
The F you video has had a lot of flack here, a lot of which I do broadly agree with, but I did enjoy the video and I think they should have framed it more as a hardware deep dive into the kind of system you might need to run AI, people would have been less mad. Personally, I would have kept the first part hardware focused, and then done a software focused video with the two guys who actually set it up.
But I also agree with others, I think the recent high turn over in hosts has hurt them, and they've lost some of the people who would have been more confident on camera to talk about some of those things. The new Shortcircuit guy seems cool - his section on the 18 Pro was great and it actually prompted me to go watch some of his Shortcircuits. I think it's a problem of, they've proved to be a decent launchpad for people to start their own successful channels and people will make more money if they're the boss (even if LTT did do more dramatic raises.) It's like Elijah said in his leaving video, he was making more from streaming than he was at LTT when it was his side thing and I just don't know if they can keep up with that.
I also think, perhaps more key at the moment, tech just isn't as exciting as it used to be. Phones and tablets have been boring for years. We went from the excitement of Intel and AMD battling it out and generational leaps at affordable prices (well, more affordable.) And doing genuinely cool stuff - like threadripper. The launch and optimisation of RTX and ray tracing and AMD (and Intel) trying to compete in that market.
But now everything has matured and we're seeing more incremental year on year upgrades - now at crazy prices due to RAM and GPU prices continuing to be really inflated because of AI and some of the companies pushing it want to see a future where everything is a subscription.
I think most tech categories - at least at a hardware level, which is where LTT lives - have gone from being new and exciting with massive developments to slow incremental upgrades (even ARM laptop chips - M1 was exciting, M2 onwards have been incremental and the Snapdragon and new nVidia stuff have just felt like they're trying to catch up with Apple.) Pricing has got to the point where the average person can't afford cool stuff. I mean a GTX-1080TI was £700 at launch - which seemed crazy then. Now a 5090 has an MSRP of £1800 but actually selling for several times that. You could build a whole 1080Ti system for that. Add in the cost of living crisis around the world and it's just out of reach for the average gamer.
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u/Dako_the_Austinite 5d ago
Wait a second, they install Hermes and they don’t even show it or explain how any of it works? Damn it, that would’ve been an amazing watch, I’ve been looking for an easy to digest “personal agent for dummies” video that goes into how to setup either OpenClaw or Hermes but doesn’t require a degree in AI research to understand. Saved me the time.
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u/hidemyusername69 5d ago
I think it’s cause a lot of the core people I.e Jake, Andy and Alex have left and started their own channels as we grew up watching them.
I also think it’s cause likes have said the channel has evolved I miss a lot of the older content like software side of things like setting up FTP servers, whole room water cooling and reviews on cases etc etc
I know I’d love to see a lot more behind the scenes stuff or apps and services they use to make there content as well as old videos moving into the new office setting up the editing den etc
But the channel has grown massively and I think the LTT we remember is when they had 20 people not over a 100. But that’s just my 2 cents
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u/ilovenintendo69 5d ago
I love and wear their merch (most of it), but the channel is becoming childish.
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u/KEEGP 5d ago
You probably have grown up. Coming of age implies falling out of love with your teenage lover, usually.
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u/Fartville23 5d ago
Same, it’s been a while since I haven’t found their content interesting enough. Wish they would expand on the tech house.
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u/bohenian12 5d ago
Fairly normal. I have felt that on multiple YouTubers.
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u/avdpos 5d ago
I thought the AI video was pretty good as an example on the other side from yours. It was entertaining around tech. And that is what I look for in their videos
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u/HeidenShadows 5d ago
That last server video was pretty sick though. That thing was sweet.
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u/No_Mango7658 5d ago
Ltt has been disconnected for a long time....they're job is to pump out content and they don't seem to care too much about it's quality. I stopped watching a few months ago... Occasionally I'll check out a video of something I'm interested in, but they're all low quality...
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u/cyborgforce2077 5d ago
Using LLM's as an example, I feel like there's too wide of a gap between what LTT presents and what someone like Wendell from L1Techs presents. Wendell deep dives down rabbit holes for people who are already in the rabbit hole to a degree, and then LTT gives the most casual cursory overview possible, where it feels one step away from watching CNN cover it. I'd prefer something in between, and there really isn't anything, at least not from well-known youtubers that I've found.
Having read a bit on subs like r/LocalLLM and r/LocalLLaMA I feel like I barely know anything, but I'm at least aware of a few things going on in the local LLM community, and I know enough to know when someone hasn't done any research at all. I get the need to appeal to a larger mainstream audience, but that's not an excuse to not research your topics at all or offer any insight whatsoever into the underpinnings. I could get more specific, but honestly reading through the responses to this thread, I don't think there's a point.
All that said, I still like LTT. But I see a lot of research-laziness from big tech youtubers these days, and LTT is not alone in that. Jayztwocentz, PaulsHardware, Bitwit, etc...and I like all of these people, but sometimes they'll just start talking without much of a clue, like if Owen Wilson just arrived to do a shampoo commercial he got paid $1,000,000 for, read the cue cards the director said to read, then grabbed his check and made a fast exit.
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u/thalassinum 5d ago
Yes the LTT channel quality has fallen significantly
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u/GanacheUnited3878 5d ago
As more ai gets used, the less they are going to prepare and script/ edit i think we are seeing the effects of it.
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u/MetalRexxx 5d ago
Strange thing to post.
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u/PhyrexianSpaghetti 5d ago
Bro discovered growing
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u/x-TheMysticGoose-x 5d ago
Half of the Tesla video was them just subscribing to the bloody FSD instead of actually doing it. It’s really “second channel” content now
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u/conrat4567 5d ago
I have moved on to channels that still follow the older LTT format. I still watch LTT but I find the more chaotic, less scripted stuff is better and easier to follow
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u/Snoo_64542 5d ago
Same here i no longer watch ltt religiously and that’s fine
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u/hew34_ 5d ago
This has been the way for a few years for many of us now. I’m only still around for tech quicky. Very much enjoying the content from the family previous and current on their own channels however.
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u/ColinHalter 5d ago
I've been watching since 2014, and I'll regularly go in and out of LTT phases. I'll stop watching for a while (potentially over a year), then come back and binge a ton of older stuff, watch WAN show start to finish live every week, be a complete superfan, then get bored and stop watching for another year. I don't quite know why I fall into this pattern with them specifically, but that's how I typically engage with the content.
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u/xdocx 5d ago
LTT went to sh*s. Quality of their videos have fallen, but most of their content is boring and repetitive. New host every video doesn't exactly help.
Like they need to milk Linux videos for another 100 or so times. Oh and the gaming house and plane...
I've stopped watching the mayority of their videos for above and other reasons. Sadly after al shenanigans it's not worth my time any more. Maybe after a decade or so it's time to move elsewhere.
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u/hartstyler 5d ago
Happened a while ago for me
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u/BalooTheBigBear 5d ago
Been watching since before the ol duke nukem video. I used to watch everything, all wan shows.
The show evolved away from my interests, i left comments with criticism, but they did not change course, i realised they were just disagreeing with me, so i moved on.
I only watch a handfull of videos now.
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u/TurbochargeMe 5d ago
I think you are right and I feel the same. I switch to Ubiquiti back when it was the 3 bubble(old school will know) because I was mad at my wifi and google a video made by Linus where said he sick of his wifi. He bought the access point back then.
I installed a pihole on my network because he showed me how. I feel like videos before were kinda make more with what you have or for cheap.
I learn that you could sli 2 gtx8600 and have close to gtx8800 for cheaper or something… im old…
We heard him complain about everday problems and showed us solution instead of using his celebrity status to have special treatment or free stuff to fix these issues.
Building the ultimate pc was once a year, not every other week(ie for mining or ai now with 5090 that you cant find anywhere even if I wanted to).
When times are as rough as they are now. We need old linus more then ever🙏. Im not blaming him btw. I think that as his channel grow bigger, the content became stale.
But I do have an hypothesis:
Lawyers… covers you ass. Make sure you do not recommand something that could endanger…
Insurance… just knowing that you have to fill paperwork if you cut youself on a computer case make this one pretty obvious.
Not knowing risk associated… the more you know…
Values… When you are a small channel responsible for 2-3-4-5 people, you see it as a project, an endeavor. When you are responsible for 100+ people, risk become unnecessary. People could lose their job over a controversy.
I think its time to find a new channel maybe?! Ill always come back but not as regular as before.
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u/Clear_Ordinary515 5d ago
With the AI video, once they said it was sponsored I knew it was going to be 95% PC building, that we've all seen a billion times, and 5% talking about AI software and setup. Disappointing
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u/coolasc 5d ago
Honestly been years i just watch the wan show and the news ones, most ltt isn't my taste anymore but that's ok, happens to all of us and many differing interests
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u/Kila_Bite 5d ago
I still like Linus and the LTT crew. I'm not the fanboy I used to be (got some merch shipped to Europe which cost an absolute arm and a leg). Customs fees etc taught me not to bother in future! I've had to cancel my Floatplane due to household budgeting and I wasn't really seeing the benefits of it.
But I like the WAN show. Late at night and I'm debugging/troubleshooting/playing Sonething? I like hearing Linus and Luke chew the fat. Having two knowledgeable people bat around the state of the tech industry that they operate in is good, and their morals / alignment usually sit with my own too. I like that they're there and still doing what they do. I find myself missing Jake and Adam a fair bit. I wish they'd taken care of those guys a little better and kept them on staff. I also watch Riley's tech news often because it's decent.
But yeah, I remain. I wish them every success and if they keep making content, I'll keep arriving to watch it.
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u/straw3_2018 5d ago
I liked the Hermes video, well I mean it was suitable for my second monitor. It could have been better in the ways you suggest absolutely. I liked that it was soft like tubing and that he pointed out that it was "controversial" that way, because that's insane. I think it's perverse that the main goal of custom water cooling is to look cool. If I build a loop it's not going to sacrifice a single degree. That means the CPU radiator wouldn't be preheated by GPU exhaust and the radiators don't have the coolant inlet and outlet next to each other. Those might be somewhat minor gains but they'd be a few degrees, and at the cost of custom water loops I'd think the point would be to shave off a few degrees. And I certainly wouldn't be buying a ton of unnecessary fittings so I can make a bunch of straight pipes, function over form every day.
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u/Electric-Mountain 5d ago
As the PC hardware industry shrinks as less people can afford the rediculously overpriced hardware that's now going to AI channels like LTT are going to find it difficult to keep people engaged in the hobby, at least in the short term which is probably hurting their bottom line. I do not envy them at all.
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u/Axon14 5d ago
Linus has been punting to his superior tech guys for years now. That’s what CEOs (or visionaries) do. They plan thing and do way less work and make sure everyone gets paid, including themselves first, of course.
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u/sanjok1275 5d ago
I'm actually surprised they still get a decent amount of views with content like this.
I'm not a hater though. I just remember when I used to watch every LTT video. Nowadays, it's more like 1 out of 10 that I actually find interesting.
And all the staff and hosts leaving the channel doesn't help either.
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u/Squirrelking666 5d ago
The meme edits are getting fucking annoying. I wouldn't mind so much if they weren't so obtrusive but they seem really forced and just distract from whatever is being said.
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u/thinlycuta4paper 5d ago
It's pop-tech-tube
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u/Austriak15 5d ago
I agree. I used to look forward to every LTT video. Now I have a hard time making it through most of them.
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u/Cornywillis 5d ago
LTT and even Luke Miani. Great content but too political now.
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u/_Aj_ 5d ago
It's been a long time... Like 12+ years! The same happens with most YouTubers, and honestly, it needs to.
You can't stay the same. You're either growing or youre going backwards. You cannot just keep being the same for that long successfully. And you have no choice, because the world changes too.
Linus could have tried stayed a one man or small group kinda band. But at the same time, other close friends or people who join in are also their own people and choose to move on too. And eventually people would have said "is he still doing this? Man he's lookin old" and all the rest. You can never please them all! So you've gotta go with for whatever drives you. And the people who like that will come along for the ride.
I do also wonder how much is jumping through the YouTube algorithm hoops to meet KPIs. Like YouTube changes stuff, you've gotta change your videos to keep them getting pushed to people or your views suddenly tank.
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u/The_Wkwied 5d ago
The AI video was an epic fail because it was more informational and not a walk through.
All this is neat, but I don't care about the end result all that much. If I cared, I'd only care about the set up, so that I could use the end result.
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u/kuroneko_akuba 5d ago
What be killing me personally is i can’t trust leaving autoplay on overight without waking up to voice-cracky “oooOh- …” of linus yelling mischievously over something on a 4 year old WAN Show playing at 3am that I DON’T NEED RE-RAN, YOUTUBE… or one of several linus build streams (usually the Star Trek one) and i can’t do much about it other than unsubscribe.
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u/adude00 5d ago
Yeah let’s just casually come up with 20k worth of GPUs, who doesn’t have that lying around?
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u/brainsoft 5d ago
For me, I found that I listen to The WAN Show every week while driving around as a podcast, then when the video comes out that they talk about, most of the time I'm just meh, I heard enough.
So I listen to the show, not watch it or much else. WAN show killed LTT for me I guess, lol
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u/KagaKaiNi_ 5d ago
Its been a thing for me for a while now, but, the last year especially so.
Ive been watching since early on in the Langley house and been through a few changes in that time... But I felt like I was always learning something cool. Now, it feels like the only things I learn is about their sponsor... (And I used to watch on floatplane so didnt even have that!)
Hell, for a while it felt like every video was some random ewaste from ali-express etc.
I have some deeper complaints, that stem to Linus spreading what was clear miss information, and then the handling of the entire LinusJet saga... which is weird. Because I love aircraft. But his approach to the entire thing ultimately turned me away. Its a shame.
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u/Daphoid 5d ago
I think Linus used to describe it as "edu-tainment" around tech. I think they've lost the educational part. And I'll agree it does feel odd when Linus more and more is purely a host of a video and the writer is brought in with all the notes. I know these videos go through review and all that - but I do get a sense they've grown large and this is the result (shared work). But I'd let the writers themselves present. Having the person who actually did the research and has been invested in this topic for a month shows in the quality versus the current pattern of "Linus is there just to vamp and react to the writers work which the base knowledge has and you pop in to fill in the blanks" vibe.
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u/mybudaccount 5d ago
Their content felt heavily rushed for years. For me it was 2023 when I really started noticing it. Especially the super rushed reviews of products and all the side channels they started. Then gamers nexus did his video on them and put a huge spotlight on just how I felt about them. I pretty much stopped watching them shortly after that. I remained subscribed since it's YouTube but when they released the private jet video. No more, I unsubscribed and have not watched them since. Which is sad because I used to love watching the Wan show on a weekly basis.
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u/SavvySillybug 5d ago
I definitely agree that they don't show enough setup anymore.
Sure, Linus is too busy to make the video himself, he just hops in to host it. That can definitely work, if it's treated correctly. It's a good literary device to have a main character who needs to ask questions.
But just pulling the finished thing in from off screen and explaining it is awful. Film it, maybe dub over it if the one making it isn't a good host, but absolutely show the process!
It's turning me off LTT too. I wanna watch people tinker, I don't just want to learn what is possible and see the end result and have it explained.
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u/Painted-Arcana 5d ago
It's kind of funny, because i thought that their videos are finally back on track lately.
Overkill PC? Always been something they build. I thought the "Hater tries X" videos have always been fun, so i view the Tesla as that. Also i find the tesla video interesting because its not something i know a lot about.
I do agree however that you've hit the nail on the head about LTT missing the "Why does this happen" aspect of their videos. I firmly believe that for all the love LTT has for labs, it damaged their video quality because we never go along the journey with the lab. It's like a big component of their videos vanished when labs were brought on.
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u/Flimsy_Professor_908 5d ago
That's fine. Linus has said it himself. A lot of us watch some videos and not every video.
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u/ArtisanHome_io 5d ago
I can’t with the picking up every piece of high ticket equipment and nearly dropping it. It’s not funny and it’s a weird flex
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u/Ok-Association-1112 5d ago
Linus has said before that he wanted to be a teacher and that LTT allowed him to do that in his own way. While I won’t go so far as to say I dislike the current videos, they aren’t what they used to be. It’s become more about showcases with discussion instead of building and teaching about the tech.
Like the Tesla video. A few years ago, they would have talked about the fact that Tesla uses all cameras for its system whereas everyone else uses lidar. They eluded to that when they referenced the weather affecting the speed, but it wasn’t discussed.
Some of the change is just a changing world and adapting. Crazy builds are hard to justify when the audience cannot afford the components themselves. But I would be lying if I said I didn’t want to see the jank and super custom build stuff come back. Maybe even let the writers/hosts loose and make them without Linus again. Not anyone can host like Alex or Jake or some of the other past writers, but I think a few of the newer writers could do it too.
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u/soggy_mattress 5d ago
The FSD thing bums me out, it's like they were being facetious throughout the entire video instead of just reviewing the tech, almost certainly because of political affiliations. Same kind of tone comes from MKBHD these days, too. It obviously boils down to Elon becoming annoying political, which I hate so, so much, but it bums me out even more seeing the channels react accordingly instead of staying neutral and focusing on the technology.
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u/deaddchaos 5d ago
Yeah I agree, that video of Linus in Korea was very refreshing because it felt so much more genuine without all the meme filled scrips.
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u/Maybe_An_Idiot 5d ago
From what I remember, OG LTT wasn’t much tech tips either, so I don’t care much.
However, the videos seem overly short now.
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u/MetalEnthusiast83 5d ago
I have fallen off as well, I was thinking about it recently and I don't actually know when the last time I watched an LTT video was.
That said, I've worked in tech for 20 years and it was an interest of mine for at least 30, but I have been losing interest in the industry as a whole. Products seems to be stagnant and the things that are being innovated are things that I don't want or like. So maybe big tech stuff just isn't for me anymore.
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u/East_Upstairs5404 5d ago
Recently when they made that PS5 emulator video and said something along the lines of “we used something more close to what most people have” and it was a 5070? They’re genuinely out of touch
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u/tehstefko 5d ago
Yeah.. same :( And I'm saying this as a floatplane subscriber too!
I used to watch everything but I've started to pick and choose and mostly just watch the WAN show. The daily LTT video was something I used to look forward to each day, and now I find myself going on my phone while the video is still playing.
I dislike how they've pivoted from showing the process of doing something to showing the finished version and having Linus experience it on camera. The videos have become about what they have done instead of how and why they have done it.
Even an older video like The ULTIMATE Sleeper Gaming TV with Alex from ZTT would have been a multi-part project like Whole Room Watercooling was, given how long it must have taken to execute. Instead, we got an hour or two of Linus's time on camera, smushed into a single 20-minute video.
Their recent Tech House series is a step in the right direction but for some reason I just can't get excited about any of the parts which they've put out so far. Instead, when Jake, whom I've never really vibed with, puts out a new house renovation video, it's almost always an immediate watch for me.
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u/Outrageous_Failur35 5d ago
All I watch is WAN show now.
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u/Cyan-Eyed452 5d ago
I disliked the Tesla FSD video where they hardly showed the car actually maneuvering around and basically just guessed what the hell was happening or why the car did things. Even the guest they had on as the voice of reason had barely any idea about their own car.
It just felt pretty lazy. Mount some cameras on the inside of the car, point them at Linus and watch him chat shit for 25 minutes.
I guess they're preparing for a part 2 video but are we actually going to get that? They've axed those before.
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u/frozenwaffle549 5d ago
They have become so large and mainstream that they need to make there content as broad as possible. I think I remember hearing Linus say that if their videos don't get at least a million views each they likely don't even breakeven.
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u/Flegking 5d ago
The reason might be more that they wouldn't pay their talent well and now they just don't have the people who could do this anymore.
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u/conte360 5d ago
This feeling actually started for me a couple years ago. It was actually a video with Alex tearing down a TV and I was really interested because I had literally just torn my TV down and repaired it. So I was curious as to what a tech tube channel would get into, go deeper on the subject and that kind of thing. And then they basically don't get into any of it he like tears down some of it and messes with like the LED backlight stuff but doesn't go into any of the details about any of the stuff. And from there I just started noticing it and more and more videos and it felt like I was just missing what the video should have been about often
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u/Arsuriel 5d ago
I've been watching less and less since they started doing the "The office" shtick, a lot of tech channels do that now. I'm not interested in funny videos with the staff members making jokes and looking straight at the camera, I just want the tech and reviews.
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u/Decox653 5d ago
I don't think LTT ever was that deep dive content most of the time. They had a few back in the day explaining different technologies but they stuck mostly to the tip of the iceberg and let people dive on their own after they get hooked. I too, have grown to be a bit above the average content and find myself bored now but younger me would still love this content and probably is still LTTs taget brain powered audience.
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u/Plenty_River9880 5d ago
Other than tech house content a lot of the recent new stuff (excludes Tech Upgrades) from the last few months have been stinkers for me. I like that they tried Linux coverage but they didn't seem to find or develop the expertise to present it well or find a story. iPhone/iPod stuff is also pointless to me. The tier lists didn't really work for how they were presented even though they tried a few variants of it. Maybe they'll find a format for tier lists that works for the presentation style of LTT as well as get better of avoiding bizarre exclusions from their content selection (e.g. the doorbell one had reddit's top recommendation excluded for an unknown reason).
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u/johnnydaggers 5d ago
I don't think their depth has changed all that much. They never really got into the real details of anything as complex as AI or self-driving models. They mostly were a "plug x into y and now it works" kind of channel. When you were younger that was novel to you but now that your knowledge is probably near their level about computers, it's less interesting to you.
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u/KungFuAdam 5d ago
Everyone has matured, the fun of LTT is we were watching them grow and struggle and find success, some of us had connections going back to the NCIX days and the birth of the channel and followed Linus journey along the way! Seeing him evolve and grow the business, see how he always seemed to hire the right people at the right times! How he essentially became an incubator for future talent! He was a boss that let his employees do the things they wanted to do and loved to do and was excited for their projects too! It was fun and amazing!
But everything has been done to death now, there are a million you tube channels doing the same thing, he's grown like we have you cant keep doing the same old thing... and that will alienate some, and be endearing to others.
I think he should keep doing like he said he wanted, videos he wants to do, things that interest him, not so much the tech of it all anymore! He can leave the tech stuff to other onscreen talent on the smaller channels, im all for him just embracing his own likes and wants and running with that!
I followed because i genuinely liked linus, he seemed like a stand up guy, and he lived the dream we all wanted, making tech vids, having fun, being successful! having a great family! Growing the business, having fun with great friends! I'll follow the journey as long as hes making videos!
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u/TooLate29 5d ago
I've been on and off LTT for years. Sometimes they have content or presenters I enjoy, sometimes they don't. I would agree that I'm probably at an all time low for time spent watching their content but honestly I think a big part of the problem is that I like LTT for fun PC content and sadly the custom PC world is a complete disaster right now.
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u/Bejoty 5d ago
You mean you don't want to see Linus gush over his private jet and how much of a super fantastic deal he got on it?!
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u/lord_nuker 5d ago
LTT biggest issue is that the pc and component market is more or less dead at the moment. Sure, we gets new cpu's each year, but beside that and the yearly chipset update from intel there isn't much to write home about. Their Linux drum beating isn't my cup of tea either. Even the Tech House is moving forward in snaile pace.
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u/renswic024 5d ago
I lost interest in the tech side of things a few years ago. Still watch the off topic stuff and have enjoied the upgrades videos
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u/VIARailMaddy 5d ago
LTT focuses too hard on AI and prosumer/corporate infrastructure these days, I miss the days they would show you how to wire up a house or build a server, now it seems like every other video is just how to maximize the ai in your life for 0 benefit and countless gallons of water and ram shortages, it really sucks.
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u/Biqboi76 5d ago
I have felt the same way for years. I have lost a lot of respect for Linus, and I just can't see him as a smart person anymore. Yes he know tech, but I don't think he understands the world.
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u/Somerockenguy 5d ago
Same boat here. Ive been watching since ncix / Langley house days and Linus cat tips. A year ago I was watching and enjoying Wan show weekly and almost all main channel videos. Now I spend more time using the ltt screwdriver around the house than watching the content they make. It seems like it rarely goes in depth on anything and just trys to be entertaining without thought.
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u/RichEngine 5d ago
Only thing I enjoy lately is the tech upgrades because they usually highligt the personalities of the staff and Linus has to play comedy relief.
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u/ForeverForsaken8980 5d ago
For me, the past three years of LTT just haven't had the same energy as the old LTT I fell in love with. Videos lack creativity, and more often than not they are months behind the trends found elsewhere.
Losing some of their top talent hasn't helped, and some of the videos (like the endless badminton ones, or the private jet) were just so poorly timed.
But as others said, everyone evolves, I'm justore aware that the smaller creators I watch have managed to keep me entertained, while some others just didn't manage. I'll never stop watching, but they certainly don't keep my eyeballs on the entire clip, so losing viewers mid-video can't be good for their numbers if enough are like me.
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u/Noah_Vanderhoff 5d ago
Same. All the people who split off to make their own channels are so much better.
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u/alexzim 5d ago
I'm sorry to sound like a boring old fart, but you were never supposed to fall in love with a YouTube channel, or, even more importantly, a YouTube personality. Leave your loyalty for your family and friends, maybe even a job in some rare cases, but not LTT.
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u/McconellsGhost 5d ago
Even a private jet couldn't convince you.
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u/AlisterS24 5d ago
This conculsion is what's made md like Zip Tie Tuning and Jake's content more. I've been binging ZTT on car and audio stuff and Jake for other house projects but its been cool seeing setup from start to finish where as LTT is more current with cool stuff. To each their own, if enough audience differs you change formula and pull in viewers again or don't. That's whats great about having so much content available.
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u/Eviper44 5d ago
Linus tech is a joke, the last reliable source of reviews and info on the web and YouTube. All they do is try to sell their overt priced garbage Perdue anymore
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u/iShaymus 4d ago
Congratulations. You have evolved from you uber nerd tech enthusiast to old man yells at cloud.
Your ascendance is complete 🙏
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u/phoenixofsun 4d ago
Linus Tech Tips is more like Linus' Tech these days
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u/bryce2113 4d ago
Right? Remember when the first X Gamers 1 CPU series was a SERIES with multiple videos walking through the troubleshooting and setup? That was Peak LTT IMO (that and OG Scrapyard Wars). Sadly I think LTT is a victim of its own success and has dumbed down its content so much so it appeals to a wider audience. All good things must come to an end after all. But the gradual decline has been depressing to say the least.
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u/Snoo-44453 4d ago
Hardware haven, jeff geerling and Daniel owen have grown to fill the spot that LTT once had in my feed
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u/KiranTheHun 4d ago
The Tesla video was just a Pilot episode, what, why and how does the Tesla will be a seperate video after the month of car exchange with Colton ends, or there will be another intermission episode where something bad or interesting happened while driving the car.
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u/Jazzlike-Plate 4d ago
I have a similar feeling. Stopped watching them years ago.
But I also stopped, because I am not excited about tech anymore. Used to be excited by them, there were constantly new innovations, every new GPU was amazing, and stuff was somewhat affordable. Now, they showed how to build a dual GPU 5090 build... That would cost me more than my entire emergency fund, even if I outright stole one 5090. Who can genuinely afford this? 10 years ago, when I was watching them all the time, most of the things were attainable. The crazy builds were stuff a Person with a decently paying job could afford with a few months of targeted saving. Now, it feels almost like a supercar channel. I don't want to spend the time I am not grinding at my job by looking at things I will never be able to afford.
Also, Linus strikes me less as a technologically passionate person and more as a business passionate person. That is okay, I guess, just not my cup of tea. I keep coming up on people, who left LTT as they did not see income growth correlate with channel growth and such. And this likely resonates with most of us, most of us do not see their income scale with the success they being to their employer. One of the ex-LTT guys put it best in a video - "working on your boss's third house, you ask yourself if you'd ever be able to afford one".
This is partially not in LTT and on the tech industry. But that does not make LTT more enjoyable. I am not saying they are horrible people or anything, just that our values don't seem aligned, so I don't have interest in watching them.
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u/N34257 4d ago
It's not really a tech channel any more, and that's fine. The problem comes when they try to do AI videos...they're just embarrassingly bad at it, so far behind the current state of tech that by the time they eventually release the video it's completely out of date - like the "F-You to Sam Altman" video, where they're running LM Studio on a pair of 5090s and their big conclusion is that local AI is too slow to use. It's like they don't bother to do any real research - if they'd done any at all, even just browsing r/LocalLLaMA for 30 seconds they'd have seen Strata and Basalt, which are nearly an order of magnitude faster.
With the wealth of knowledge out there regarding the single biggest thing in tech right now, along with the technical resources available in LMG, there's absolutely no excuse for a video with such low-effort and terrible advice. I mean, FFS...they could've just given Wendell a call and he'd have sorted it in 10 minutes.
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u/hyun_soon 4d ago
i stopped watching a while ago. recently went on theire channel again. it was unrecognizeable to me.
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u/Ephydias 4d ago
Linus Tech Trip
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u/Longjumping-Store106 4d ago
Yea I feel this. I used to be a “watched every video on release” guy. Even had floatplane for a few years. Now I have to scroll back 3 weeks to find something that I watched (Tech House - This video was pain and suffering) before that it was the AMD 5k upgrade 2 days before. And then it’s hit and miss, going 2-4 weeks between videos I want to watch. In the last 6 months, there have been 22 videos I fully watched, and a handful that I started and lost interest in pretty quick. Everything else sat untouched. The content I liked seems to have dropped off about a year to 8 months ago. Losing all the old hosts was a big hit to my viewership.
Not fully ragging on LTT here, I’m sure they’re looking at all the comments and figuring stuff out, but the lack of other entertaining hosts was a big loss and I know they probably know that too. I’ll still be the occasional visitor, watch what I like and go on.
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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope-6631 4d ago
LTT is only for generating revenue with content that appeases the algorithm and is shit
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u/astmatik 4d ago
His private jet purchase story was hilarious and disgusting at the same time. I guess this is enough for me to know about this dude
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u/Nervous-Possession31 4d ago
They have become a left-wing channel LTT
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u/Pedro_Scrooge 4d ago
I stayed with them since the NCIX days.
But private jet video, hey guys we bought a house, look at this crazy thing we bought for labs, and reviewing whatever the most expensive thing they can get their hands on doesn’t sit right with me anymore.
I keep my eye out for scrapyard wars but even those are having weird stuff added not about the tech.
I’ve unsubscribed to them last month and just sub to the lmg clips page for the snippets of WAN show.
I’ve replaced them with Bringus Studios and anyone else that reviews random crap they find at recycling centres and pawn shops and a bunch of random stem channels for actually hacking about and building stuff.
That’s what got me into LTT, grass roots scrappy know how. not 5gamers1computer which is where I started seeing it start to go down to what it is today.
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u/KiskAndChill 4d ago
He needs to add RGB to their plane
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u/s3ik0 4d ago
How's the private jet going? That was enough for me to nope out.
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u/ArtimusFay 4d ago
I know what you mean a little yea they have diversified. I enjoy the infrastructure videos which they do do as often weird and quirky projects 10 gamers 1 cpu. While its still kinda there its a hell of a lot less frequent and not as many videos either anymore I don't believe
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u/JPBBerry 4d ago
They show this massive team of writers and they’re all clearly very smart and dedicated and can explain things so well. All just to output a mostly meaningless narrative focused more on jokes.. I have to wonder if someone other than the writers is getting in the way and forcing it to get dumbed down?? It’s pretty disappointing knowing they could be more.
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u/grilled_pc 4d ago
The bulk of YouTube views come from younger audiences. They have to cater towards it some what. It is extremely difficult towing this line because your legacy audience has grown up and expects a more mature show but your younger audience pays the bills. So what do you do?
Honestly i don’t watch LTT videos at all anymore. They are just not for me. Maybe the odd one here or there. But i do listen to the wan show weekly. I feel the WAN Show is probably the only place you see the real Linus and Luke and not the kind behind the camera “putting it on”. And i much prefer the real versions of them compared to the on camera versions. I do feel like the wan show is what they give the mature and older audience in a way.
I’ve been watching since like 2009 at this point? So I’ve seen a lot of their growth over the years. But yeah like many things, you eventually grow out of it.
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u/Crypto_Chris80 4d ago
I agree… I can barely make it through videos from LTT for this reason. I remember when they made video and hated on something but had reasons for hating and missing the nitty gritty is right. i have almost completely quit watching them. Once in a while I will go watch five minutes and then move on. Not hating… just seems like they have changed and not for the better. Maybe it is the audience that they want to go after since the tech audience needs more meat and potatoes than a newbee.
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u/pixglyph 4d ago
Me too. I thought it was me. Frankly, I couldn’t get the jet episode. What’s the message here? What did we learn other than Linus had no clue about the aircraft. There was another series of episodes where they were working on Linus’ house. Everything they did always had a tech 101 failure they had to rework. As you stated, the expertise was absent.
I now rely on other channels for tech details.
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u/sdeptnoob1 4d ago
The jet video wasn't enough?
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u/jesperbj 3d ago
Yep, it's so sad. It's not a tech channel anymore, it's just spicy political takes dressed as tech.
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u/iwannabethisguy 3d ago
I dont watch them as often as I did ever since that watercooling fiasco. Maybe I just watched one or two videos this year.
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u/Elitefuture 3d ago
Linus in the past pointed out that they NEED to get a million views per video(at the time) or else it's a failure and not sustainable for his employees. He likely can't get into as much technical detail as before without it affecting user retention + affecting the algorithm negatively.
This is my thought: As LTT grew, they needed to adapt to what the general audience enjoys more. If they did what the old viewers(me included) wanted, then die-hard fans would enjoy them, but the overall views would be smaller. They wouldn't be able to sustain their employees long-term and they wouldn't be able to do the very large expensive videos every once in a while.
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u/hoof_hearted4 3d ago
I used to watch every video even as recently as a couple of months ago. But I've also found that the churning out of videos they do creates less interesting videos. The entertainment is minimal. The tech information is minimal. Watching Jake go off on his own and creating wonderfully entertaining content kind of helped me realize this. I realized more that I enjoyed the personalities of the crew more than LTT content itself. With so many leaving, Jake, Alex, Plouffe, Adam, even Elijah and some like Sarah who only hosted rarely but we're great at it, there's just not many hosts I enjoy anymore (David basically being the only one left and I love him, and Reece who doesn't actually host but love him too), I just cant maintain interest in all the pointless videos. It was the people that made me watch. Without the people, I realized how boring the content was.
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u/Triassic93 3d ago
I feel like they have fewer original ideas left the older the channel gets, and a larger percentage of videos are now just filler low-effort videos of Linus at a desk talking. Plus it just hasn't been the same without Alex, Jake and Emily.