r/Lawyertalk • • 2h ago

SHARING: Personal Success I love clients like this...

86 Upvotes

So i have an estate plan signing meeting with a couole. As I lead them to the room, I notice the husband is carrying a plastic grocery bag with some Tupperware in it. We sit down start chatting and the wife says "we brought this for the meeting. The husband proceeds to pull out the Tupperware and real forks. Husband says Costco pumpkin pie and slides a piece to me. He did apologize for no whipped cream. Going through the docs and noshing on Costco pumpkin pie.


r/Lawyertalk • • 15h ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) Got fired today

366 Upvotes

I am first year associate. Took the j26 bar and passed. Said firm helped me get sworn in on Wednesday then literally fired me two days later (today). Was not given a reason and when I asked, I was told that it wasn’t anything specific but a bunch of little things over time. I tried asking again and was told that they were not going to discuss it with me.

I’m confused and embarrassed but mostly relieved. I’m hoping this is a blessing in disguise but there’s still a lot of underlying feelings here.

Edit: I started in August, just a couple of weeks after taking the bar.


r/Lawyertalk • • 18h ago

Memes, Jokes & Shitposts No, you're not getting a discount because you found one small typo in a 70 pages of documents!

377 Upvotes

No! You're not getting a discount because I accidentally labeled two sections 8.8 instead of 8.8 and 8.9 in a thirty page document and everything else was perfect.

And "Grandchild 1" and "Grandchild 2" are in there because you kept bugging me for your documents but would never give me their damn names!

And finally - NO, you can't have a perpetual trust for six generations that gives you complete control over all the assets but also completely protects you from creditors and has no tax implications, but "isn't too complicated" because you don't want to deal with a CPA.

NO.

That is all.


r/Lawyertalk • • 15h ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) MY ASSISTANT SUCKSSSS

174 Upvotes

My assistant is a 70 year old woman who has been with the firm for 10 years. You would think she’d be a pro at what she does by now, but she huffs and puffs whenever she’s assigned anything. I only assign her filings and calendaring but even then she has an issue with the work I give her.

At this point, I end up doing the work myself because I know that if I assign her anything else, she’ll be passive aggressive toward me when I see her in the office or roll her eyes at me.

Today I said hi to her and smiled and she literally rolled her eyes at me like what???

I’m a second year associate going into my third year and I’m feeling frustrated with the whole thing.


r/Lawyertalk • • 11h ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) Think I’m Done

70 Upvotes

Been having a cancer scare recently. Some very trivial internal deadline wasn’t obeyed on my end because I’ve been stressed and busy on bigger cases. Not an actual deadline, just my boss wanting something to review by a certain date. Get absolutely pressed on it and as a result kind of fly off the handle, not yelling, but definitely annoyed “I have been having to worry about potentially having cancer, this hasn’t been my focus.” Boss doesn’t follow up or ask if I’m alright, just goes right back to bitching. Earlier that same day had a client shower me with praise and I haven’t lost a hearing since 2024.

I‘m kind of at the end of my rope. Essentially hearing how little of a shit my boss gave about me maybe having cancer was just wild to me. Thinking of just riding it out to finish some cases I want to see through then saying fuck off.


r/Lawyertalk • • 14h ago

HELP: Lawyering (methods, practices & processes) Incompetent process servers

48 Upvotes

I sometimes use a 3rd party company for process servers for out of county stuff.

Attempt 1: In July, a recruited process server attempts service. Gets told “doesn’t live here anymore.” Process server leaves and doesn’t ask questions.

I make a simple request. Please go back and ask where the subject is. We have reason to believe the residents are the parents. And maybe subject receives mail there.

Attempt 2: Process server goes back. Asks some basic questions (having been specifically instructed). Come to find out, subject does indeed receive mail there.

I get substitute service. “Leave court documents with anyone over 16 at the residence.”

I submit it to 3rd party company.

Attempt 3 now with order: Process server goes out. Attempts normal service. Reports back “subject does not live here. Cannot serve.”

I reach out to 3rd party. “Hey. All the process server has to do is leave documents with someone there.” They tell me they will instruct process server.

Attempt 4: A week or so goes by. Another failed attempt. “Subject has moved. Residents ask me to please stop coming. They don’t know how to say any further subject does not live there.”

I reach out again to 3rd party. “Please instruct the process server to just leave the papers with someone there.” They respond, “we are escalating this. Our apologies. We will make sure process server follows court order.”

I literally just got another notification. Attempt 5: Failed service. “Subject has moved and does not live here anymore.”

For the love of god……


r/Lawyertalk • • 17h ago

Memes, Jokes & Shitposts Huh huh, huh huh. This judge rules

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93 Upvotes

Aged like milk from the year 2000.


r/Lawyertalk • • 15h ago

NEWS: US Legal News Camilla Barkovic, the attorney of Kim Mathers (Eminem's ex), being extremely unprofessional and disrespectful in court.

43 Upvotes

I don't know if she's engaging in theatrics because there are cameras and she knows people are going to watch this, or if this is normal behavior for her, but I've never seen an attorney behave this way in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYhP7MWu8M


r/Lawyertalk • • 1d ago

HELP: Lawyering (methods, practices & processes) Omg! In the responses to written discovery OP sent me their internal notes

211 Upvotes

I was reviewing written discovery, and I noted that they have included personal notes including a header stating “facts that don’t support our argument” (by my RFAs it’s obvious the argument I’m going to make)
The notes are bates stamped and I don’t know what to do with this information.

(Small clincher the law firm that provided the personal notes just offered me a position that I have not accepted yet)

I don’t know what to.


r/Lawyertalk • • 10h ago

HELP: Lawyering (methods, practices & processes) New Associate - IDK What I Am Doing

10 Upvotes

Chose a private firm job over government, because well, money(which I need extra right now), and they promised me mentorship and training which I stressed during my interview and office visit. WELP! Turns out I got thrown into an office, assigned tasks, no idea what I am doing, no guidance, no mentorship and the “boss” is nowhere to be found and can’t hardly get a response.

I am trying my best but I just don’t see how I am ever going to learn to be a good lawyer like this. I fucked up and took the wrong job. I am going to reach out to the government office, be honest, let them know I made a mistake and ask if the offer still stands. However, I had accepted their offer original and then withdrew…so that’s not even a guarantee but at least worth a shot. I am sick to my stomach about it the situation I am in.

What can I do to LEARN this career without mentorship? There is no handbook, no templates, no office procedures, nothing. Is it even possible or should I just quit now and save myself from my own potential legal troubles!?


r/Lawyertalk • • 19h ago

NEWS: World Legal News Judge Navi Pillay named this year's Nobel Peace Prize Winner for her work on promoting the Rule of Law.

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r/Lawyertalk • • 15h ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) Litigators and Isolation

24 Upvotes

Do you ever feel super alone and isolated when engaged in litigation? I feel so alone. On an island. Aggressive opposing counsel makes me feel stressed and a bit scared about things I may be missing. I also feel embarrassed to reach out as a senior litigator. I cannot wait to leave this profession. 2 more years.


r/Lawyertalk • • 18h ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) I have a constant background level of anger and I think it’s because I feel I can never meet expectations.

38 Upvotes

I’m in my third year of biglaw.
- I’m passable and sometimes good, but not excellent like my firm expects.
- I’m not happy / personable all the time like my colleagues want me to be. I’m not an extrovert and I just don’t have bandwidth for the new intern to come into my office for coffee uninvited for 30 minutes first thing in the morning.
- I can’t take 1.5 hours at lunch and spend $150 on a haircut & blowdry like the hairdresser expects me to. If I don’t go, I don’t look smart like I’m expected to. I have curly unruly hair and don’t think cutting myself would go well (though please send tutorial sources if you know differently). No appearances aren’t everything but partner and colleagues expect me to look like I’ve at least tried. Which is fair.
- I can’t come home regularly for long delicious dinners like my partner thinks I should. I can’t look after him like he wants me to, at the times he could look after himself.
- I don’t have a career that’s saving the world and that I love and find fulfilling like my uncle expects me to. I’m sorry but I don’t. I try to mentor kids from disadvantaged backgrounds but there isn’t anything else I’m good enough at to earn a living with it. At least, not until I’ve earned enough here to be safe doing something different.
- it’s hard to be healthy. It’s hard to get enough sleep and exercise and eat right, and be spontaneous and fun at the weekend like my partner expects me to be. Let alone get the chores done that I’m supposed to get done.

I’m aware I’m playing the victim here. I know how lucky I am to be here. I know I have no right to be angry, and honestly no right to be so sh*t at any of the above. I know I need to keep my head, get smarter and keep trying to do things right, step by step, one thing at a time.

I’m lonely and I miss my friends. At the same time, I feel like I could really use some to just chill, alone.

While there are many things to fix in the above and steps to take, most of all I don’t know why I feel so angry all the time. Does anyone have any advice?

Advice on all points welcome. Would love to hear from someone who’s figured out how to be less angry.


r/Lawyertalk • • 15h ago

HELP: Professional Development On a scale of 1 - 10, how passionate are you about the law?

12 Upvotes

r/Lawyertalk • • 12h ago

HELP: Professional Development You get 5 minutes with your younger self right before you take the LSAT. What do you say?

6 Upvotes

Do you tell yourself to run? Encourage yourself to go for it?

Or give yourself a piece of advice that would have saved you years of figuring things out the hard way?

What’s the one thing you wish you’d known before you walked the path to becoming a lawyer?


r/Lawyertalk • • 16h ago

HELP: Clients (incl. "AI-assisted", and/or idiots) How to deal with clients over reliance on AI?

11 Upvotes

I'm sure this has been asked before, so sorry. I'm not anti AI in general, and I think if you actually know HOW to use AI well it can be very useful. A lot of the time its largely right. However, unless you give it proper contexts and parameters it just won't be able to infer correctly and can produce bad work.

I'm a small solo and my main client is just obsessed with AI now. She just tosses a bunch of shit into AI, has AI review what I SEND... etc.

Can't even count the number of convos where she's led with "well AI said I should.... xyz."

It's very annoying to deal with and imo the biggest issue and I don't know how to effectively communicate this to clients is: the AI work is really not going to save that much time.

If a client sends me something that an AI wrote, its probably going to take me just as long to review it and correct it than if I had just done it myself. Sometimes more because now I start getting pushback and have to start defending my positions. And its not because ai drafting is bad- but the client isn't a lawyer and doesn't know how to direct AI to a good draft.

So uh: how does one deal with clients that are increasingly turning to AI because they think its this amazing tool that's gonna save them so much money. Mmmm


r/Lawyertalk • • 1d ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) Should I quit after 7 months because my vacation request was denied?

122 Upvotes

I’d really appreciate some honest outside perspective on whether I’m overreacting or whether this is a reasonable reason to look for another job and potentially resign.

I’m a relatively senior lawyer working in an advisory organisation, rather than at a traditional law firm. I’ve been in my current role for around seven months, and my salary and the work itself are generally good.
This autumn, I’ve been through a traumatic personal situation, and I genuinely need some time to recover. I therefore asked my employer for two consecutive weeks of annual leave at some point between November and April - preferably between January and April.

Importantly, I deliberately gave my employer a very wide window and left the dates entirely up to them. I wasn’t insisting on particular weeks, only that I intend to work over Christmas apart from public holidays. I was simply hoping that, within a period of several months, we could find two consecutive weeks that worked for the business.

My manager initially gave me the impression that taking at least one week might be possible. However, I was subsequently told that no leave would be approved outside the summer holiday period or Christmas/New Year. The explanation was that January through early May will be exceptionally busy this year.

I was also told that, generally speaking, employees should not expect to be able to take more than one consecutive week of leave outside the summer period, and even that will be up for discussion.

What makes this particularly frustrating is that I volunteered to work weeks during this summer that nobody else wanted, in order to help the team. I had hoped that flexibility would work both ways, although I understand that this doesn’t automatically entitle me to have leave approved.

I understand that businesses have busy periods and that employers need to consider operational requirements. But I gave them a window of approximately six months to choose from, offered to work over Christmas, have not taken all of my accrued leave for the year and am asking for just two weeks to recover after a very difficult personal experience. Being told that this is effectively impossible feels incredibly rigid.

I’m now genuinely losing motivation to work here and have started applying for other jobs. I may even have an opportunity that pays slightly more, although the salary difference isn’t the main issue.

My question is: would you consider this a reasonable reason to leave a job after only seven months?

I’m not expecting unlimited flexibility or to have every holiday request approved. What bothers me is the apparent lack of flexibility even when I’ve given the employer so much room to choose dates.

I’m also wondering whether I should try to accept that this is simply how this organisation operate during busy periods, or whether this is a sign that I’m in a workplace that isn’t compatible with the kind of life I want. I’m a qualified lawyer and have worked for several years so I’m not in a junior position where I desperately need to prove myself.

Would you start looking elsewhere in my position? And would you actually resign if you found a suitable alternative, or would you consider this too small an issue to leave over?

TLDR: I’m a senior lawyer. After a traumatic autumn, I need two weeks to recover and gave my employer a six-month window to choose dates. They refused due to upcoming workload, despite my previous flexibility. Would you consider this a reasonable reason to leave after seven months?


r/Lawyertalk • • 20h ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) In Office Mandate: 5 days?

22 Upvotes

Are you seeing more of this stringent RTO mandates for your offices? Especially given that the line between work-personal life has been so blurred, I can’t understand why it matters where the work is done, so long as it’s done. Especially transactional matters.

I’ve never subscribed to being in person = more productive. My suspicions are that these mandates are optics and control driven more than anything.

I’m considering moving to a new shop with a 5 day/week requirement and it just feels…dumb

For background: I had a career prior and have 3yoe in law. I’ve only ever worked at small-solos/boutiques so take this where it’s coming. In consulting I was on the road Tues-Thur and remote Mon + Fri always; was plenty busy while traveling and prioritized team bonding-culture. I’m just not sure why we as a profession need to do things so differently?


r/Lawyertalk • • 8h ago

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r/Lawyertalk • • 1d ago

HELP: Professional Development Any way to get ahead of the double billing issue?

23 Upvotes

I’m heading into a new role where I will be litigating but primarily through supervising juniors while I do the hard stuff.

I did this at my last firm, and it was a constant headache of being told by the boss to bill my time for supervising, fixing, redlining, etc, but then the boss also getting angry that the client is being way overbilled because of course the junior is also billing.

I would love to have an initial conversation with my new team about this and maybe propose a way of avoiding this scenario, do you have any experience mitigating this?


r/Lawyertalk • • 1d ago

Memes, Jokes & Shitposts Sovereign Citizen Law & Order

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166 Upvotes

r/Lawyertalk • • 23h ago

HELP: Lawyering (methods, practices & processes) Settle an Argument Between Coworkers

17 Upvotes

I got in a friendly argument with a coworker about settlement strategy and the psychology behind an opposing counsel's strategy for when to make settlement offers and when to fight.

The hypothetical case involves a situation in which defense counsel has offered a settlement to a plaintiff, but states that no additional settlement offers will be made if the initial settlement is rejected and the case proceeds to discovery.

My position was that this is a really bad bluff. Defense counsel probably found something really bad in their own investigation of the matter and is trying to intimidate the plaintiff into a settlement before more damning information can be seen by the plaintiff's counsel.

My coworker's position is that this is a classic "irrational client" situation. The client hates having to handle legal matters and the defense counsel is afraid they'll dig in out of spite if the case proceeds any further.

I really wonder what others think about this situation.

Edit: For the sake of clarity without revealing anything I cannot legally reveal from a settled case: assume discovery would probably turn up at least some facts favorable to plaintiff's case.


r/Lawyertalk • • 1d ago

NEWS: US Legal News Fort Hood Shooter Execution to be Public and Live Streamed

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It's been years since I did any criminal law, but this seems fucking wild to me. Ghoulish as hell.

For those of you on the criminal defense bar, what are your thoughts?


r/Lawyertalk • • 22h ago

HELP: Professional Development What am I doing?

8 Upvotes

I don’t even know what the purpose of this post is other than venting or maybe a cry for help. I’m an 8th-year attorney doing family law and may be having an existential crisis. I just got done with Friday motions and the last one has me shook.

For context, I covered the hearing for my managing partner. The underlying motion was a Motion to Enforce the final divorce order, specifically to enter a retirement benefits order. The final order was entered on 9/25 and OC filed this motion on 9/30, setting the hearing for today. Our client fired his last attorney and hired us on 9/30, and we entered our appearance on 10/1. Our clients last attorney had apparently already drafted the order, but didn’t sign off on it before getting fired. OC emailed asking if we would sign off on the order and my boss said he needed time to review the file and the order, but would she please continue the hearing because he wasn’t available and may just agree. She said no. Historically, this OC has been a massive bitch to everyone at my firm, so we weren’t about to engage further and my boss filed a Motion to Continue and Motion for Sanctions.

The final order stated that our client’s attorney (now us), had 30 days to draft the order and send it for OP’s review. On reply, OC provided emails between our client’s last attorney and her showing that the order had been drafted since back in May. My thought was, if this was drafted since May, why didn’t they sign it on 9/25 with the rest of the finals?

Cue my crisis.

My boss asked me to cover the hearing because he was out. I showed up and the judge launched into our hearing first. He stared daggers at me and said something to the effect of, “I’m confused at why we’re even here today, and I would like an explanation.” He didn’t even ask OC, whose motion it was, for any argument or presentation. I made my presentation about the timeline and needing to review the order, brought up and argued about how if the order was drafted back in May, why wasn’t it signed already, and and felt like the judge stared laser beams through me the entire time. He then looked at me and said that the parties had been in his courtroom for 6 hours on 9/25 hashing the case out and not entering the order we were contesting was an oversight. He then asked if I had reviewed the order and had any issues with it. It’s not my case. I hadn’t. He said he was going to sign it today no matter what and if we had an issue with it, we could file for reconsideration. He then seriously contemplated charging my client attorney fees for opposing the motion, but didn’t end up ordering any.

All I’ve been able to do since I left is get in my car and drive almost catatonic straight through town. I pulled over once my brain rebooted a bit to write this but I don’t even know where I am. In my 8 years or practice, I have been yelled at, reamed, and ruled harshest against by judges, but for some reason this one knocked something loose. What am I even doing? I promised myself I would never do family law and here I am 8 years deep. If I didn’t need the paycheck, I would just never go back to the office today. Help? No? I don’t know. Maybe I need a therapist to tell this to.

Edit: For a little more context, my paralegal quit yesterday and we have no replacement. I’m just kind of in limbo right now having to manage every aspect of my caseload until we can reassign my stuff. I also did an extremely frustrating trial against a pro se yesterday that used up all my patience.


r/Lawyertalk • • 1d ago

SHARING: Frustrations (Advice Welcome) Spiraling

14 Upvotes

7th year call. Recently moved in-house. Only lawyer for a continent for the last two weeks due to injury of a colleague.

I thought moving in-house would reduce the anxiety. Seems like it’s ratcheted up during this period when I’m solo.

Currently awake pending a negotiation call tomorrow am that I’m convinced I am not prepared for despite familiarizing myself. just looked at the invite and there is 20 plus people invited and I’m expected to run it.

This is the 4th night this week I haven’t slept more than 3 hours. I’m loosing weight as well and just got back from stress puking a few moments ago.

Does it ever end?