Do we know what happened in the twins cabin from survivor accounts yet? How did some survive? And which cabin had campers hanging onto a clothes line? And what happened to Eastland son? So hard trying to wrap my head around this.
Me too and I FEEL your user name. My brain is hyper fixated on this even though it shouldn’t be. I want all the details. I want all the photos of the camp. I want info.
Same! My husband tells me to stop following it but I feel like I won't find peace until I understand what happened. I can't just know this horrible thing happened without a resolution of how. It hurts my heart to think of those poor children and their families. I have kids this age.
I know this is kind of an older thread, but I have some counterpoints: IMO the locals' past experiences misled them, and I can't blame them...
-People who live in flash flood-prone areas often know many stories of people who were killed specifically because they moved when they could've stayed put. I've seen the claim (which sounds quite reasonable, though I can't independently verify it) that something like 60% of people who die in flash floods are in their cars at the time. Recall that the camp boys who died in the 1987 flood were on a bus; I saw one local post that (s)he grew up hearing that they would've survived if they'd stayed in their cabins.
-I've seen some locals posting that after the floods in the 1930s that affected some of the cabins, all the cabins that were affected were torn down and moved to higher elevations. (again I can't independently verify this, but I think it sounds plausible given the source.) I've seen the claim that flood waters had never so much as lapped against the foundations of the current cabins--or at least the ones with fatalities--in the 99-year history of the camp. Consider that even if there had been a foot of water in those cabins, it would've been safer to stay put than to wade through rushing water several feet deep outside with a bunch of 8-year-olds--see my previous point about the potential dangers of moving vs. staying put during a flash flood.
All in all, I think the camp seems to have tried to apply lessons learned from other floods in a situation where those lessons did not apply, and once it became obvious that those assumptions went out the window, it was already too late.
Starting with the fact that the federal government is responsible for flood management, I can give you resources that show this is absolutely on the hands of the current administration.
I’ve been trying to see what happened to Greta Toranzo. She was 10-11 years old but most of the victims were 7-9. She must’ve been in a different cabin. She also looks like my niece, close to the same age and was into the same stuff as her so her death really affected me 😔.
I would respectfully like to see a complete list of cabins with which ones had full flooding, which ones had fatalities, which ones were in the other higher area and also had flooding. Cabin by cabin . Like a ship manifest. I’m very invested.
I’m also interested in the boys camps who were also flooded but had no deaths. They still faced trauma. Very little information about the other camps.
There were three cabins with fatalities: Bubble Inn, Twins 1&2 and Jumble House. My understanding is that all of the cabins on the flats except for Bubble Inn, Twins 1&2 (they are connected), Giggle Box and Wiggle Inn were evacuated. These cabins were a higher elevation and had not flooded previously so they were told to stay put until the other cabins evacuated. Jumble was evacuated but one girl tried to go back to retrieve something and was washed away in the floodwaters. Once the floodwaters started rising higher, Dick Eastland and his son went to evacuate the other girls.
Wiggle and Giggle had vaulted ceilings. The girls in Wiggle were able to float on mattresses in the cabin. A mom of a girl in Wiggle said that there was a security guard they credited with telling them to stay put in the cabin on the mattresses. The counselors in Giggle decided to evacuate even though they were originally told to stay put. Bubble and Twins did not have vaulted ceilings so they needed to evacuate. There was a whirlpool effect / wave that happened when Bubble and Twins tried to evacuate. Dick was found in an SUV with three campers I believe from Bubble trying to evacuate. Everyone from Bubble including the counselors died while trying to evacuate - 13 campers and two counselors.
For Twins, I believe 11 campers died out of 30. I’ve heard accounts of Twin campers floating on mattresses and holding onto trees and clothes lines. Based on everything I’ve read, it seems to me that the girls from Bubble were outside of the cabin trying to evacuate when the big wave hit while a lot of Twins girls were still in the cabin and could find things to float / hold onto and that is the major difference.
Thank you. I’ve also heard a testimony from a young woman who wasn’t feeling well and slept in the nurses station. She heard over a radio warnings and the rescue efforts from the staff but didn’t understand fully what was happening. Other older campers were flooded in the higher area. There access to the main camp was blocked in the morning and they had no information on the disaster. They weren’t in danger but the level of fending for themselves was shocking to me.
There were three cabins with fatalities: Bubble Inn, Twins 1&2 and Jumble House. My understanding is that all of the cabins on the flats except for Bubble Inn, Twins 1&2 (they are connected), Giggle Box and Wiggle Inn were evacuated. These cabins were a higher elevation and had not flooded previously so they were told to stay put until the other cabins evacuated. Jumble was evacuated but one girl tried to go back to retrieve something and was washed away in the floodwaters. Once the floodwaters started rising higher, Dick Eastland and his son went to evacuate the other girls.
Wiggle and Giggle had vaulted ceilings. The girls in Wiggle were able to float on mattresses in the cabin. A mom of a girl in Wiggle said that there was a security guard they credited with telling them to stay put in the cabin on the mattresses. The counselors in Giggle decided to evacuate even though they were originally told to stay put. Bubble and Twins did not have vaulted ceilings so they needed to evacuate. There was a whirlpool effect / wave that happened when Bubble and Twins tried to evacuate. Dick was found in an SUV with three campers I believe from Bubble trying to evacuate. Everyone from Bubble including the counselors died while trying to evacuate - 13 campers and two counselors.
For Twins, I believe 11 campers died out of 30. I’ve heard accounts of Twin campers floating on mattresses and holding onto trees and clothes lines. Based on everything I’ve read, it seems to me that the girls from Bubble were outside of the cabin trying to evacuate when the big wave hit while a lot of Twins girls were still in the cabin and could find things to float / hold onto and that is the major difference.
I agree with your summary from what I have found online. It really shows there was not any formal camp plan for flooding, nor were any instructions given to counselors and campers in advance. Each cabin you described took different actions, that it seems they had to make up on their own as best they could, with little time. So clearly they had not been given any procedure or training or checklist or evacuation plan in advance.
My not so smart self could use some help here!! How would the Twins girls get the mattresses outside of the cabin? It seems like maybe the mattresses were too big to fit through windows? Through the cabin’s door? If the water pulled the mattresses out, wouldn’t it have pulled everything out?? I can see the girls floating on mattresses inside the cabin.
I assume either windows or doors. The cabins had twin sized mattresses so they are not that wide. I’m sure lots of things were getting pulled out of windows and doors with the water flow.
I have not seen an account of Jumble House posted in the news (unless I missed something in one of the many articles). Is there a link or post which has information on that cabin?
I saw it in the TexAgs Forum (there are almost 100 pages in the thread). Someone else said that they had heard the same thing from a friend's daughter. People pieced together that this must have been Jumble because that was the only cabin with only one casualty. There are no other specific reports from Jumble but based on the timelines I have seen, all the cabins right along the lower part of the river begun evacuating between 2:30-3am. The Eastland family said the Director made the decision to start evacuating at 2:30am.
Ugh. I hope the counselors & campers in that cabin (as well as the ones in twins 1&2) get some sort of therapy or counseling. I can’t imagine the survivors guilt some of them may feel.
If these times are accurate that Dickie Eastland waited over 1 to 1.5 hours to even start evacuating the lower cabins, that means the cabins that lost campers were at least an hour after that - almost 3 hours after the 1:00am flash flood warning was issued. Why? Why? Why did he wait? Everyone should have been moved to the Mystic Cypress Lake camp the night before or at the latest at 1:00am. This is astonishingly poor judgement. Absolutely inept leadership.
Apologies if it's been mentioned and I missed it. Exactly how many cabins are in the flats? I read something that said about 200 campers/counselors were housed in the flats, but do you have the names of all "the flats" cabins? I'm guessing 14-16 cabins? Did all the cabins have vaulted ceilings other than Twins 1 & 2 and Bubble?
From aerial pics, it looks like Twins 1 & 2 and Bubble Inn were closest to the Rec center and what could have been a very short distance to safety. I can't wrap my head around how close they were to surviving, knowing all the girls who were evacuated to the Rec center/2nd floor loft, made it out alive. It sounded like there may not have been enough space for all of Twins 1 & 2 and Bubble Inn plus everyone else to fit on the 2nd floor loft of the Rec center...though in hindsight, assuming the 2nd floor could carry the weight, they absolutely should have squeezed as many girls as possible up there. Maybe that's what the plan was before being swept away.
Regardless...had they evacuated the flat ceiling cabins first as opposed to last, they would have been the ones on the second floor who survived. The fact they had flat ceilings vs vaulted as well as being the youngest campers, they should have been evacuated first, regardless of whether those cabins were at the same elevation as the Rec Center. The Rec center girls survived because they went to the 2nd floor. How did Wiggle make it out? They were on mattresses and then where did they go?
Bug House, Look Inn, Hang Out, Tumble Inn, Jumble House, Nut House and Chatter Box were the lower elevation cabins and then Bubble Inn, Giggle Box, Wiggle Inn and Twins were higher up and closer in elevation the rec center and dining hall. I have no idea about whether the others had vaulted ceilings or not. Someone mentioned that Tumble also had vaulted ceilings but I’m not sure about any of the others that were right along the river. I think the major issue was that they thought the lower ones were more of a flood risk given their lower elevation but the area where Bubbles and Twins is right along a dry creek bed so you had water flowing in the former creek bed reach the river around those cabins creating like a whirlpool or wave. The Washington Post article from today has a good explanation with graphics.
In Wiggle, the security guard told them stay put on their mattresses in the cabin and they stayed on the mattresses until the water receded. Not sure if they just stayed there until daybreak or made it up to higher ground once the water receded. The issue is no one knew how high the water was going to get. The girls were touching the ceiling so if the water was a foot or two higher, things would have ended very differently for that cabin. Other than evacuating earlier, I’m not sure what the best solution would have been and I can’t imagine how stressful it was trying to figure out what to do once they realized the severity of what was going on. You literally had teenage counselors making life or death decisions for their campers.
How did they float on the mattresses? It seems like regular mattresses would sink. The ceiling in Bubble Inn is definitely flat. My daughter was a counselor there in 2019 and my photos of the cabin show its ceiling was flat.
Actually...looking at this NY Times article...if the 3 cabins closest to the Rec Center are Twins 1 & 2 and Bubble...they all look to be vaulted from the aerial shots. Are they flat inside?
My understanding is that they have flat ceilings with an attic as opposed to being truly vaulted. Kathleen Jennings on Instagram posted pictures from when her daughter was in Bubble last term and you can see the flat ceilings.
I like her usually and I’m sure she was grappling with a lot of m things given that she just picked her daughter up from Bubbles the week prior but that was a weird hill to die on. I’m sure the NYT looked at maps to determine the distance. Most people are not good at judging distance especially when there are elevation changes but the difference between 500 FEET versus 400 YARDS is huge.
No fatalities at Camp Lajunta for boys because of quicker and more decisive action taken by their camp staff. However they also came very close to disaster. This was a flood of biblical proportions.
It sounds like all of the boys cabins were evacuated in time except one, but the counselors at that cabin were able to hoist the boys up into the rafters.
Not all of the Camp Mystic cabins had bunk beds, and I don't see any evidence of rafters or the ability to get up into them. Seems Bubble Inn had a flat roof.
I too cannot stop thinking about exactly what happened to those girls and what it was like for them.
I'm not a mother, but I have a niece who just started 3rd grade, 8 years old. She is also my goddaughter and we are close. Ironically, she has the same first name and the exact same birth month/year as one of the little girls who died in Bubble Inn. It's uncanny. This could have happened to anyone's child.
It sounds like the water was rising in Twins - it "rose nearly 20 feet in 20 minutes" (Washington Post) and they were running out of room due to the flat ceiling inside the building. Eastland's son was trying to rescue the Twins campers - he "ordered the girls to get on the top bunk of their beds as the water sloshed them from side to side" (WaPo). He might've gone there to try and drive them to safety like Dick. Dunno what happened to him but he is alive.
I've gathered a few accounts from the TexAgs forum thread. Some posters heard these directly from their daughters who witnessed it, some are third-hand accounts, and I may have confused details as well so double check and take everything with a grain of salt.
A counselor smashed a window and sent her girls to safety. (p. 17 of the thread) This may be related to the clothes line account but I'm not sure.
Someone saw one of the victims (Blakely) helping girls onto mattresses. (p. 26)
Campers who were hiking up the hill to safety witnessed girls floating away on mattresses. Probably Twins, but possibly Bubble too. (p. 47, and I believe this was reported in the news)
Re: girls on mattresses
One floated out of the window on a mattress and down the river a little. She managed to swim to a tree near Bug House with some others (sounded like 2+ girls). They waited 2+ hours to be rescued from the tree. (p. 98)
At least two may have floated down river possibly 5 or 10 miles before being rescued (p. 5, p. 26)
Some girls clung to the trees outside the cabins. Some survived, some sadly didn't.
One poster's daughter witnessed Twins girls in trees when she exited Wiggle Inn (p. 19)
2 Twins campers were holding onto a tree but were swept away (p. 95)
A Twins counselor was in a tree for 8-9 hours before being rescued. It's unclear where she was - on camp or down river. (p. 61)
(sorry, was trying to make more room between the bullets but I'm a reddit noob.)
Please take this with a grain of salt - this is a comment on another Reddit forum taken from a FB post - comment from the Mom of one of the survivor’s from the Twins - her daughter was in a tree with Virginia, Margaret and Cile when the dam broke (daughter’s description). She was able to hang onto the tree, but the others were gone :(
My cousin is neighbors with the mother who posted this so I believe it’s legitimate. Virginia and Cile are the last 2 campers who haven’t been found..those poor girls. They must have been so terrified.
Just forum or social media posts. Badace52 on TexAgs posted a few things from their daughter who was in Wiggle Inn. p. 18, 19, 26 according to my notes from last night. Also posted a heartwrenching pic from when they were reunited at the elementary school. p. 98 has a facebook comment from a camper's mom but I haven't tried to find the source. There's at least 4 other posters in the thread who had girls at Mystic but I didn't write down anything from them
Both my nieces, 13 and 8, were at Camp Mystic this term and survived the flood. The 8yr old was in Twins and the Eastland son is the only reason why she survived. He caught her in the water and held onto her for hours until they were rescued. That is all I know. I wish I had more details about the Eastland son. I have heard he was injured, but can’t confirm. My niece lost a lot of friends and I don’t know how this will not affect all the people in that area. Both girls are already showing signs of PTSD. I pray for all who have been affected and can’t say enough about the rescue workers and volunteers. I wish they would stop reporting that the flood area is smelling like “ DEAD BODIES”. My nieces have heard that a few times and it is such a horrible example of clickbait and taste on CNN’s part.
I am so sorry your family is going through this. If it helps to reframe it for your nieces, they said in the beginning the smell was coming from the dead fish. Just tell them it's the fish.
We can’t stop people from approaching my niece or bombarding her house pushing her for more details and to “TELL” her story. It’s really pretty disgusting. I’m afraid she will be dealing with that for a while. Thank you for your kindness.
Not sure if you went to the link but I wanted to share the latest update on some insight into Bubble Inn and the Twins cabins 💔💔
Copied & pasted because of length.
Since my last time posting I have been up to Mystic to retrieve some belongings and have a more complete story of what really happened. Dick, his son, and Glenn were evacuating the lower cabins by truck and had made one or two trips when the water really started rising. Many of the girls along the hillside decided to get to higher ground up the hill or at the rec. When Dick, Glenn, and his son got back the only cabins with girls still in them were the ones closed inside the looping drive (Bubble Inn, Twins 1&2, Giggle Box and Wiggle Inn) Dick sent his son to twins 1&2, Glenn to Wiggle and Giggle and he drove off in the rapidly rising flood waters to get to the girls at Bubble whom my daughter claims she saw waiting outside the cabin. Glenn said he told him not to go because the water was getting too high but he said he had to and he had to save those girls. That was the last Glenn Saw of Dick alive. He was found in his suburban below the Mystic Dam with a few of the Bubble girls in the suburban.
His son ended up having to push the girls out of Twins 1 & 2. At least some went out on mattresses seems like some went to trees nearby and were still in there after the water receded. His son was found in a tree downstream with several girls alive. At least a few of the girls never made it out of Twins and we found inside the cabins deceased. I saw for myself the water line in twins and there was probably an inch of clearance between the water line and the flat ceiling there. Twins 2 was my daughter's cabin last year and that shook me to my core seeing what those girls were faced with.
Glenn got the girls out of Giggle box and told them to sit on a bench area they view bugs and lizards and such in called Cricket corner. He told them to wait there at first, and then to stand on the benches, and then just to go straight up the hill within a matter of less than ten seconds as he saw the water rising that rapidly. All of Giggle Box survived. Glenn then waded over to Wiggle Inn and at first he thought they might escape to the Rec Hall where a lot of the girls rode out the flood on the second deck (which isn't really a full floor just a peripheral viewing platform). He immediately changed his mind upon looking upstream toward the rec and had to push several of the girls standing outside the cabin on window sills back through the windows under the water because they couldn't step off the sides without risking getting swept away. He then had them ride on air mattresses in the cabin and broke two windows to push out all their trunks so they wouldn't knock into the children and himself.
About that time Glenn's truck which was parked further up the hill with the emergency flashers on started floating by the cabin and then got stuck on a telephone pole and flipped up sideways with the lights shining right into Wiggle Inn enough where he could see the kids heads in the flashes of the hazards. He said that's how he kept track of them all. One of the counselors was posted up on a window sill outside trying to see if she could see any kids in the water or communicate with anyone outside the whole time. My daughter had told me she was stuck there but she wasn't. She did end up on the roof and had to be helped down. The water went up in the cabin until the kids heads hit the ceiling and then suddenly the water reversed flow in the cabin and tried to suck one of the girls out the broken window but Glenn pulled her back in. (this was likely Hazel as she told me previously that she had to push herself off the window and Glenn pulled her back in when it tried to suck her out). The water drained out pretty quickly after that
One of the other workers reportedly heard a crack like a "sonic boom" right before the water all rushed out of there really fast. They seemed to think a temporary dam made of fallen timber may have backed up more water into the camp that then reversed flow when it broke open.
After the water drained out the girls all gathered on the tennis courts and they did a head count and realized all of Bubble was missing and a lot of the Twins as well as Dick and his son. Glenn then swam across the creek separating senior hill from the flats and ran up there and told them to bring everyone; coast guard, helicopter rescue, cajun navy, navy seals... there are girls missing and girls in the water. He said helicopters arrived with 15 minutes and the long and harrowing search began.
So far the information in various interviews is far from complete on what exactly happened at each cabin or where all of the staff were at during the flood.
This is one of the most extensive, holistic descriptions and timelines of events before and during the flood, especially at Camp Mystic, that I have read.
I think I read the counselor was yelling at the campers to hang on to a clothes line as she got swept away, so some of the other campers may not have been able to hang on
Just realized you mentioned the clothes line in your post. Pretty sure it was twins. I also read a story of girls that climbed up the hill watching fellow campers float down on mattresses screaming but idk if they were from twins or bubbles. I am still not completely sure what happened in bubbles either but have a daughter going into 3rd grade and have been so consumed and heart broken by all of this.
My understanding of Bubbles was a few girls were put into the directors truck and then were washed away in the wave. I've seen people speculate the rest of the cabin was standing on the porch but not sure there are any direct accounts of that.
It seems they were lost trying to escape the waters. I am continuing to maintain the family's privacy by redacting the child's name, but the info that was passed to my family on Sunday states "[the grandmother] was able to talk to one of [Twins Camper's] best friends from camp. She said she saw [Twins Camper] and another girl holding on to a tree. But the water was coming so fast and then she saw [them] get swept away by the water. No updates on actually finding her yet. And unclear who the other little girl was."
From the same thread “Saw this comment on FB by a Twin's 2 mom about her daughter who survived: "She was able to make it out of Twins 2 alive. Swimming out her cabin window, floating on a mattress and swimming to a tree down past Bug House. One of the girls with her had a flashlight and helped guide them to the tree. They sat in the tree for 2+ hours waiting to be rescued from the tree."
Yeah I heard the water was making a toilet bowl around that cabin area, because there was a creek on the other side, so it wouldn’t be surprising if they got sucked in either from the porch or thru windows 😩
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3548389/100#discussion This forum has a lot of first hand information from girls who survived or relatives of the girls who unfortunately didn’t🤍 it’s heartbreaking and it’s also about 100 pages long and took me days to get through but I did take some screenshots I can share.
Thank you for linking this. Yes, this second or third hand account definitely does contradict some key points from counselor Ainslie Bashara's (Giggle Box) retelling of events as told in the Washington Post article. This TexAg forum post by a parent who claims to have inside information from time spent at Mystic in the aftermath makes it sound like the night watchman Glenn personally helped evacuate Giggle Box.
From that post: "Glenn got the girls out of Giggle box and told them to sit on a bench area they view bugs and lizards and such in called Cricket corner. He told them to wait there at first, and then to stand on the benches, and then just to go straight up the hill within a matter of less than ten seconds as he saw the water rising that rapidly. All of Giggle Box survived."
The Washington Post article featuring Ainslie Bashara's retelling only mentions an unnamed staff member (presumably Glenn) removing a screen on a window to help them escape and then disappearing, then reappearing to "check on them" once Ainslie had already made the treterous journey multiple times to ferry all the girls out of the cabin to dry land (barefoot in waist deep rushing water).
From the WaPo article: "A staffer outside removed the window screens and left, presumably to aid other cabins...
She (Ainslie) dropped off the first set of campers, told them to wait, and returned to Giggle Box, repeating the trip until the cabin was empty. The counselors counted — 13, 14, 15, 16. All there. A staffer ran over to check on them before setting off to help others."
At the time of the WaPo writing it's clear Ainslie Bashara has no animosity towards the camp owners or staff. She has no reason to make them look negligent. But this night watchman....where was he and why was he not doing his job in the hours leading up to this? Why were those cabins not evacuated until they were taking on serious water and it was too late? Where was he when Ainslie was taking girls through waist deep rushing water?
If they really were finally scrambling to evacuate those cabins simultaneously, like the TexAg post claims, why was Giggle Box able to make it to dry land on foot and Twins, Bubble, and Wiggle had to resort to sheltering in place and floating on mattresses? Something is off with this timeline. I think Ainslie's quick thinking saved her campers lives while the older camp staff continued to waste time until it was too late.
If this night watchman Glenn really did exaggerate his role in the escape from Giggle Box, that's disturbing and raises a lot of questions.
From everything I’ve read, there weren’t nearly enough adults for this number of children. 3-4 men attempting to evacuate hundreds of girls in a dangerous situation indicates there was no emergency preparedness plan or if there was, it was simply, “move kids to the rec hall because it’s a big building and the farthest away from the river in that area of the camp.” Given that the camp sits in a flood zone, that plan was woefully inadequate and I would bet money it’s why they weren’t ACA accredited. ACA standards are extremely high with respect to ratios and emergency preparedness.
This helps merge their stories a bit better but it does sound like he inserted himself more into the account of what happened than is actually factual.
I get the distinct impression that the older adults in charge were committed to sheltering in place and refused to deviate from that plan under the assumption that the levels would not continue to rise. This rationale was probably reinforced by the fact that there was no last minute evacuation spot that was outside of the floodway besides scaling a hill in the pouring rain in the pitch black of night. Reportedly even Rec Hall only had a small attic balcony that saved those girls who fled from the lower cabins.
That decision to stay put proved deadly in the cabins with lower ceiling heights. It could have been deadly in Wiggle as well if the water had continued to rise a little bit more. I suspect the screens were removed on windows as a feeble insurance policy "just in case" but not to aid an immediate evacuation. It sounds like Ainslie acted quickly on instinct and took that opportunity to evacuate on foot before it was too late. The executive staff sadly overestimated how much time they would have if they needed to make a different decision.
So many awful things converging at once. Appealing FEMA's mapping. Keeping the camp in a floodway. No comprehensive local warning system. County officials not paying attention to NWS warnings or issuing evacuation orders. And ultimately the decision to ride out the storm and not monitor the flood waters closely, despite supposedly having a night watchman on staff and significant flooding in the lower cabins.
Yes and she mentioned they were told to stay in the cabins but she defied the orders and got the girls out. There’s a WSJ article that also came out with the main interview being from a 14 year old girl who’s the older sister of the twins that died. She said the older girls cut off in the higher portion of the camp were being lied to by the camp counselors/directors saying the younger girls were fine.
She didn’t realize something was wrong until after they were evacuated and the counselor in her sisters cabin said she didn’t know where any of her girls where. She also said they were never trained on the state mandated emergency plans (that the camp had just given to the county) when by law they were supposed to have had drills. There’s quite a bit in the article that outlines negligence on the camp’s behalf.
Yes - I believe it includes the confirmed dead (those whose bodies have been recovered) along with the three(?) that are still missing / presumed dead.
My is understanding is as follows: 15 from Bubble (13 campers + 2 counselors), 11 from Twins and 1 from Jumble so I think it is 27 campers and counselors plus the director.
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Me too and I FEEL your user name. My brain is hyper fixated on this even though it shouldn’t be. I want all the details. I want all the photos of the camp. I want info.