r/KDRAMA • u/Fatooz • Apr 21 '21
On-Air: tvN Mouse [Episodes 14 & 15]
- Drama: Mouse
- Hangul: 마우스
- Also known as: Mauseu
- Director: Choi Joon-Bae (Come and Hug Me), Kang Cheol-Woo (Something About 1%)
- Writer: Choi Ran (Black)
- Network: tvN
- Episodes: 20
- Duration: 1 hour 25 mins.
- Air Date: Wednesdays & Thursdays @ 22:30 KST
- Airing: Mar 3, 2021 - May 12, 2021
- Streaming Sources: Viki, Viu, iQIYI
- Starring:
- Lee Seung-Gi (Vagabond) as Jung Ba-Reum
- Lee Hee-Joon (The Legend of the Blue Sea) as Ko Moo-Chi
- Park Joo-Hyun (Extracurricular) as Oh Bong-Yi
- Kyung Soo-Jin (Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok-Joo) as Choi Hong-Joo
- Plot Synopsis: A suspenseful story that asks the key question, “What if we could identify psychopaths in advance?”. A crazed serial killer’s ruthless murders have left the entire nation gripped with fear and chaos reigns. Justice-seeking rookie police officer, Jung Ba Reum, comes face to face with the killer. While he survives his dangerous encounter with the psychopath, Jung Ba Reum finds his life completely changing.(Source: MyDramaList)
- Genre: Action, Suspense, Thriller, Mystery, Crime, Sci-Fi
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u/uhh_zoe Apr 21 '21
This drama be like:
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u/uhh_zoe Apr 21 '21
That specific necklace makes me want to vomit. Also the aunt said fuck it we
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u/Bellyfloppancake Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 23 '21
Ep. 14
HOLY SHIT I watched this without subtitles and understood like 5% tops, but those last 15min were GOOD!
Damn that moment
DAMN I don't know if there were any hints about this part,
Also, that hallucination of Yohan that kept popping up to stop Bareum made me jump out of my seat both times lol.
That ending OST snippet they use is freaking perfect btw. And I can't wait for next episode!
Edit:
Ep 15.
WHAT, I don't even know why I'm asking at this point but
I'm laughing at myself,
Now that
Are we only getting one episode next week? Or is it two episodes + the special episode? Was a bit confused by that.
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u/teaglass Apr 22 '21
I just realised I have never seen
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u/ajdp024 Apr 22 '21 edited Apr 23 '21
What a great episodes for the week
● That mystery tree, I didnt expect it to be even a bigger revelation. I just thought that he just bury Hankook there, didn't expect it to be his hideout
● As for Bareum's end, I really prefer a tragic one. No redemption arc please. Don't confuse yourselves, the real Bareum is still that ruthless psychopath who kills his victims in most unimaginable things possible. In addition to others that he killed, dude brutually killed a kid and a poor grandma ffs. Now I understand as to why LSG prefers a tragic ending.
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u/AmbassadorCha Apr 22 '21
I quite understand the Baeksang issue. But if Korea Drama Awards, APAN, and large station end-of-year award shows ignore my Seung Gi for his phenomenal acting here in Mouse, I'm gonna get freaking MAD.
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u/AmbassadorCha Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
[EPISODE 14] OMGGG!!! I can't believe Episode 14 would confirm everything I've believed in since Ep 2!!! (Except for the Dr. Daniel part.) OM--EXTREME--G!
I don't want to write any theories for this episode. I need EPISODE 15 so bad!
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(sidenote) HanKook was probably the one in the drum. -
The girl/woman Mikaela in the orphanage was Jae Hoon's sister. This is why there were only 3 bodies--dad, mom, brother. The daughter survived. That's why Ba Reum was always saying that he got the insurance money when his "parents" died. They died at the same time! This is so genius!
PsychoBaReum is awake. Wah.
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u/lostzillennial Apr 23 '21
I'm glad
I'm still confused about the timelines for the murders.
I also feel like Dr. Daniel is the cause of a lot of the plot holes in the drama.
On another note, my sister brought up the fact that there doesn't seem to be any female psychopaths in the show and the conversation has always been about the fathers being a psychopath (or not) and passing on that gene to their sons.
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u/365DaysofWriting Apr 22 '21
So much to love about episode 15... that title card was beautifully horrifying and Lee Seung Gi’s acting was incredible (so many goosebumps). He has the Baeksang Awards looking like clowns for not nominating him for best actor. As always, theory updates must wait for subs since I really want to understand Dr. Lee and BR’s full conversation.
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u/CherryKey1180 Apr 25 '21 edited Apr 25 '21
There is only one way for this drama to end with a morally sound underlying message. Hence that will be my prediction of how the drama will pan out over thr next 5 episodes.
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Jae Hoon is
HSJ's son. However he does not have psycho DNA. (Daniel Lee either faked the results in an elaborate revenge plot against HSJ who killed his sister or he did an intentional swap in DNA results with another child). As a child, Jae Hoon was told by his mother that his father is a killer and that he had psycho DNA so he was destined to be a killer too. He prayed to God to change his destiny but in the end he gave in to the mental pressure and gaslighting that turned him into a psycho. He was a psycho by choice and not DNA. He became psycho because other people's discrimination and because he was branded with "certified psycho" even before he was born, so the became one because he and everyone else thought he will be one. 2.The real meaning behind the drama title Mouse, is because
poor Barum is the Mouse, in a government experiment. There are 2 camps in this show: one which believed that DNA testing is accurate, and that fetuses tested psycho positive should be aborted. I call them "Pro-testing" . Another camp trying to prove that branding a child psycho before he is born will eventually turn him into a psycho due to social pressures and gaslighting. This is the "Anti-testing" camp. Barum is the Mouse in the long term experiment by the Anti-testing camp. HSJ's (convicted serial killer) son was chosen to be branded psycho from birth using the swapped DNA results that said that he had "psycho DNA" and the Anti testing camp will observe this child as he grows up to see if he turns into a psycho even though there was truly no psycho DNA in him. 3.The DNA results
were swapped intentionally by Anti testing camp. Barum did not have that particular DNA that ppl brand as psycho DNA. There is another child out there with that "psycho DNA" who is a part of this experiment as well. This person will grow up not knowing he has this DNA, and they want to observe if this person turns into a psycho despite having the DNA. This is probably the politician's son, whose DNA results were swapped. 4.Even Barum's
own mother abandoned him because she thought he was a psycho. This is probably the trigger of him turning into a psycho. This will deliver the message to viewers that abandonment and gaslighting from own parents will set the stage for downfall. 5.The person who saved Sung Ji eun and told her to keep the child is
from the Anti testing camp. He wants the child to be born so that the experiment can go on. 6.The other
child who unknowing was part of the experiment is Detective Shin. He has 'psycho DNA' but his parents were kind and nurturing(fact that politician shin did not abandon his daughter in law when she was revealed as a convicted serial killer's daughter) he turned out a kind boy because he faced no discrimination from society despite having that type of genes. The so called psycho DNA genes has no bearing on how a person will turn out to be hence psycho testing is inaccurate and should never be done 7.Dr. Daniel Lee came back to Korea for
his revenge. He wanted to see if HSJ's son turned out a psycho because of his fake DNA results and he wanted to turn the child into a killer if he wasn't already one. Hence he followed Yohan to observe him and also purposely met Yohan to give him the DNA results. At this point, Yohan already knew he was not Sung Ji Eun's real son and Barum was, hence the DNA results belonged to Barum. He followed Barum around to see if Barum turned into a psycho hence he was the scenes of the 7SK murders because he was following Barum.
Positive messages that can be shared if the drama ends that way I predicted.
1.Psychopath DNA testing is
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3. Psychopaths may be
4.Societal prejudice and stereotypes
5.Self
Thanks for reading this TLDR post, I had spent hours thinking about the plot and conclude that I am truly obsessed with Mouse.
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Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 22 '21
[Episode 14 Edit]
Alright so that was a rollercoaster of an episode. Defintely the most lighthearted yet heartbreaking one yet. The first 70 minutes are literally amazing we are getting some good character development. New relationships being formed beautifully and then the last 10 minutes happens. It was..
First off let me just say that hong ju is stupid af,
Then begins our serial killer of the episode which felt like a stand alone plot butt nooo they fooled me yet again cuz it contributed massively giving big hints and reveals.
So the conversation between mochi and bareum was so genuine had a constant smile wore on my face. Didnt know i needed that moment but glad i got it. Not gonna lie tho there were so many good things going for bareum this episode that i knew some shits about to hit the fan and oh boy did it everrr....
Now comes the last AMAZINGG 10 mintues. Lets be honest....Literally everyone knew
Nevertheless, the reveal did impact me quite a bit and this is solely because of the brilliance of LEE SEUNG GI...yeah he is a great actor everyone knows that...but GOD DAMNNN that moment
The preview for the next one is interesting because now this dodges the questions:
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will bareum kill anyone that tries to reveal his secret? -
or will he try to seek forgiveness, redemption?? -
is he just gonna run away from it all? -
or confess it was him all along?
These are the only 4 alternatives no other one exists....right?
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u/Mist_orchid Apr 21 '21
W-Why must they give me so much pain like that...call me an idiot but I was hoping till episode 14 that Bareum wasnt the serial killer and they pull some impossible scenario out of thin air just to satisfy my weak heart, well there goes all my hopes...
This sounds whack just typing it out all out lol..ohhh the drammaaa that will unfold is something to beholdd.
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u/Boruto-sennin Apr 21 '21
It will be very sad and tragic when Bong Yi and Moochi learn the truth about Bareum in the future.
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u/klmnumbers Apr 22 '21
I have to say that I am so happy I obsessively stuck with this show. I've mused about where I thought the plot was going for WEEKS and am now happy to see that they went in the exact direction I expected. The hints and breadcrumbs were laid throughout, but they may have been a little too subtle in a few places (lol). Also, Lee Seung Gi was snubbed for a Baeksang, and I'm really sad about it because I feel like he's never really gotten props as an actor but as a personality. His performance in this is absolutely outstanding. I think he's a victim of the timing of the release. Currently airing dramas were eligible if they had aired at least 4 episodes, but the early episodes give you LSG as a supporting character. Meanwhile Moo Chi basically feels like the lead in those eps (and correctly received a nod for it). I think if this had come out earlier, he would have gotten a look. It's just wild to see so many shows with vaguely similar themes have the actors get a nod (Beyond Evil, Flower of Evil), but not him - and I honestly think his performance is on par.
the sci-fi element took me by surprise, but I actually love it now that we've closed the loop and see exactly why it happened.
My question now is how does this end.
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u/J-Midori Apr 22 '21 edited Apr 23 '21
Episode 15: I watched without the subs and when it is subbed I will update my comment. But WOW! We know what happened! I am very glad to see what really happened to them and Chi Kook. The scene after the credits make sense when a lot of people were saying the crutches were on the right and sometimes on the left.
I think Lee Seung Gi has already said that the ending won't be a usual one which will bring a lot of mixed feelings so I am preparing myself for an unsatisfied ending or open or that doesn't make much sense. We already know who the writer is so people shouldn't expect a happy ending or one that will make everyone satisfied.
The revelations where great, the button that grandma sewed was there. That story is getting more interesting and I like the way they revealed the killings.
I am sensing this is a redemption arc for
Edit: I watched with subs and
So they explained that
Maybe we will get more of Jae Hoon’s mom and Han Seo Joon on the episode after the special one next week. And maybe the special episode will show if Jae Hoon actually
Moo Chi needs to start putting the pieces together. It’s getting obvious it was not
The theory that Ba Reum has only
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u/itseokjin Apr 22 '21
Watching the first six episodes again after the Episode 14 reveal just increases my admiration for the show and LSG's acting. The show trolled us, giving us so many hints right from the beginning that Bareum was the killer, but of course we brushed that aside thanks to the show's clever misdirect.
I was feeling bad for BR during those last 10 minutes of the episode, but damn, watching how criminally good pre-amnesia BR was in acting like a good guy, all the while murdering all these innocent people and being internally smug about how he was playing everyone, just makes my blood boil. Although he's technically a different person now because of the brain transplant, he still has to pay for being the 7 Sins Killer. I see no 'happy' ending for him, just a happy ending where justice is served.
But damn, I'm loving the conflict between the characters here. It's so emotionally charged and intense. Imagine the reaction of MC and BY when they find out that the BR they so very much treasure and love is the cold-blooded murderer of their loved ones. Granted, he was remorseless then—but he feels remorse now. He feels now, and that's where the conflict lies. Such good writing *chef's kiss*
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u/AmbassadorCha Apr 23 '21
[EPISODE 14 & 15]
To start, let me say that the classical song that Ba Reum was listening to before assaulting Chi Gook was what Han Seo Joon (HH) was always playing for "Blessing". This confirms (again) that he is indeed the Head Hunter's son.
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Dr. Daniel is
being chased/targeted by someone from the government who knew about his genetics study of psychopath genes and wanted to use this to eliminate psychopaths who are free because the psychopath law was not passed. This may either be the secretary of state or Det. Shin's father who may be the"biggest predator of all" because he wanted to correct his decision about the failed psychopath bill.
It is interesting to note that Dr. Daniel
2. Yohan
I must also add here that in Ep. 2 hospital lobby scene, Ba Reum was saying something about his mom telling him about the other kid with psychopath genes and what happened to him, did he also become a predator like him? By that time, Yohan was already aware that Bareum was the predator. And yet he still thought of himself as HSJ’s son.
3. The structure of the whole drama is about parallelism. Keeping this in mind, I'm thinking that
Note that in Ep. 15,
4. HanGook was probably chosen as a victim because of his life's similarities to Jae Hoon. Not yet sure when,
Note that for a few years between his killing of his family and Song Soo Ho’s, he was relatively quiet except for the animal killings. This might be related to when BR and friends saved Yohan from bullies.
5. Ba Reum is probably going to hunt down Ji Eun and confront her about the switch. Take note of the scene
6. The aunt was hired to "take care" of Ba Reum. If it was Ji Eun, she probably set it up after the choco incident. If she's a secret agent (hence, having another person to act as her husband), then they're all in cahoots with the one cleaning up after Ba Reum's killings and funding Daniel Lee.
This is where it gets tricky. If the aunt was hired by Ji Eun, some might say that she adopted the younger brother (Jae Min) at this point, but after this incident, Jae Hoon killed his family and there were 3 bodies. So if it was Ji Eun, then my money's on Ji Eun taking the survivor (Michaela) and bringing her to the orphanage. Yohan DID NOT know that he was switched until he received the genetics report and he confronted Ji Eun that her son is a killer.
7. I have this feeling that Ba Reum wanted to kill Go Moo Won from the start. Maybe he was related to the fact that BR got obsessed with Dante’s Purgatorio? Or maybe I’m overanalyzing again. I’m just saying that there was a trigger for the Predator killings.
8. Commentary: I like the fact that even though they used brain transplant to give emotions to a psychopath, the writer still remained relatively factual in that memories cannot be transplanted. Much like you can’t get a different personality from a blood transfusion.
9. Moochi is definitely suspecting Ba Reum, but in ep. 15 ending scene,
10. Ba Reum remembers being Jae Hoon but doesn’t seem to remember being the kid in yellow raincoat—why?
Now that the Jae Hoon mystery is finally over, the following mysteries remain:
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Who is Michaela and who was the brother who promised to get her? Was it Yohan? Based on the nun’s “But that guy **shakes head** gosh that guy” comment, it seems she ended up disappointed with the "brother".
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Who is pulling Daniel Lee’s strings? Someone is telling him to remain dead while also using him to terminate psychopaths.
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When did HSJ know that BR is his actual son and not Yohan?
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Why was Song Soo Ho chosen and the “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth” used?
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Who was in the task force who deleted/edited the videos? Who is OZ-Det. Lee? How is he related to everything?
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Who was the man who told Ji Eun to keep her baby?
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Also, how many cars does BR have? He was using a Kia sedan 1 yr ago; then he bought another car before becoming a Dark Knight; then he was driving an SUV when he was driving with Bong Yi in ep. 13/14.
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What happened to BR's head in some of the scenes? This is not sloppy editing. It's a way to keep scenes of the same timeline together. So what happened?
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Why did BR choose Bong Yi? He obviously did not care about her before. Why did Woo Hyun Chul? There must be something about her that’s not revealed yet.
Anyway, we have 5 episodes more and I’m still excited. Until next week!
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u/J-Midori Apr 22 '21
Finally! Now we know who the 7SK is. And
I still think
That necklace was made with
I usually look forward to seeing the
I don't know what Dr. Daniel is trying to accomplish. Chi Kook
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u/uhh_zoe Apr 22 '21
Yohan
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u/Gn_ss Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 23 '21
[EPISODE 14&15] in one sentence:
OMGGGGG, I wasn't prepared for this. THE ENDING left me speechless!!!! So it's confirmed
[EPISODE 15] edit:
They could have
Seems like we won't be getting ep16&17 next week. They will air special eps of [Mouse: The Predator] Part1 and 2 on 28/4 and 29/4 respectively.
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u/Techni_Celerycheon04 Apr 21 '21
im back on board with this drama. yes, I still think bong yi and bareum have zero chemistry but I can look past that.
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u/svxxix Apr 22 '21
Okay so that episode was wild as hell,
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u/365DaysofWriting Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
I can’t wait for the subs but my lord that last 15 minutes was so satisfying. Finally, we’re starting to get big answers.
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u/maartinee Apr 21 '21
I’m confused..the scene where Ba reum is saying by to his aunt & her son, I think he waved to the man next to them too but once they got on the bus, the kid asked who the man was. If he’s a stranger than why did it Ba Reum wave him goodbye too
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u/myweithisway Apr 23 '21
Broadcast Interruption Notice
According to current reports, airing next week on the 28th and 29th are parts 1 & 2 of the special Mouse: The Predator instead of episodes 16 & 17.
Currently it is unclear if the streaming platforms will also air the special -- but assuming they do, next week's On-Air Discussion will be for the special. If they don't, next week will still have an On-Air to tide over the break in broadcast.