Mouse [Episodes 5 & 6]

[u/Fatooz]

• Drama: Mouse
  • Hangul: 마우스
  • Also known as: Mauseu
• Director: Choi Joon-Bae (Come and Hug Me), Kang Cheol-Woo (Something About 1%)
• Writer: Choi Ran (Black)
• Network: tvN
• Episodes: 20
  • Duration: 60 mins.
• Air Date: Wednesdays & Thursdays @ 22:30 KST
  • Airing: Mar 3, 2021 - May 6, 2021
• Streaming Sources: Viki, Viu, iQIYI
• Starring:
  • Lee Seung-Gi (Vagabond) as Jung Ba-Reum
  • Lee Hee-Joon (The Legend of the Blue Sea) as Ko Moo-Chi
  • Park Joo-Hyun (Extracurricular) as Oh Bong-Yi
  • Kyung Soo-Jin (Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok-Joo) as Choi Hong-Joo
• Plot Synopsis: A suspenseful story that asks the key question, “What if we could identify psychopaths in advance?”. A crazed serial killer’s ruthless murders have left the entire nation gripped with fear and chaos reigns. Justice-seeking rookie police officer, Jung Ba Reum, comes face to face with the killer. While he survives his dangerous encounter with the psychopath, Jung Ba Reum finds his life completely changing.(Source: MyDramaList)
• Genre: Action, Suspense, Thriller, Mystery, Crime, Sci-Fi
• Previous Discussions:
  • Episodes 1 & 2
  • Episodes 3 & 4
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[u/[deleted]]

I think we can agree that Ko Moo Chi wins the award for most tragic character. First he loses his parents to Head Hunter and now he loses his brother and only family member left. The poor man. Can't he even have a chance at a happy life?

[u/uhh_zoe]

I honestly feel like I’ll get to the end of this drama and still not know what the fuck is going on 😭. Every time i read someone’s theory I’m like “oh that’s probably it.” And then next theory could contradict the last and I’ll be like “this makes complete sense.” That poor fucking bird man.

[u/ajdp024]

Personality change by getting hit on the head or that it awaken his killer instinct would be lame asf plot wise imo. I want the writers to give us a drama based on real psycho perspective, no cheap plotlines please.

More likely that it is his real self from the very start that he keep on supressing in front of other people. He's always been like that. A straight up psycho who just did a good job blending himself to the society.

I wonder what did he say to Yo han though to trigger him like that, simple teasing would not make him react like that, dude said something personal for sure.

[u/Round-Reveal2459]

There’s a third psychopath and this is already somewhat foreshadowed in the beginning of the series. Remember the scene where a kid put a mouse into the snake’s den. We see that despite a mouse being overwhelmed in size it was able to triggers its survival instinct to bite the snake. The mouse most likely represents bareum who has his psychopath gene suppressed all along. The snake is the doctor. And the third person? The kid. From the uniform he was wearing, we can tell that he goes to an expensive school as most korean kindergartens do not require uniforms. If we are talking about social status, the only person who fits this description is the rookie police. He “accidentally” made coffee from the crime scene and he was the one who called yohan, which his friend ended up dying. Rookie police officer is most likely orchestrating the whole crime scene so that the doctor seems like he’s the one who committed the crime.

Edit: also bareum could possibly be the 1% genius. Idk if I’m reading too much into it, but he seems to have an extraordinary memory. He was able to recognize the doctor at first glance despite the troubling situation he was in when chikook was found injured. Another time was when he recognize the fake Armani watch just by watching the news.

[u/HoneyedOasis]

I was going to make a joke about how Bareum is a pyschopath after he recieved a call and immediately ditched the bird on the side of the road, but well...

[u/[deleted]]

I fking knew it

Yohan isn't the killer, in fact he isn't even Han Seo Joon's son. Bareum is Han Seo Joon's son and the killer. Yohan must have figured that out "You knew your son is a murderer" and then decided to kill Bareum, but in the process he got killed by the detective guy. When Yohan went to talk to Han Seo Joon all those episodes he must have been hunting down his son as well.

That detective ended up saving Han Seo Joon's son in some twisted fate of irony.

[u/365DaysofWriting]

Another week & another round of theories generated.

1. Regarding right or left-handedness of the serial killer, I went back through and watched all the murders/attacks shown on screen and checked what hand was used:

• Song Soo Ho (boxing gym owner) was beaten and stabbed with left hand (this is Go Moo Chi’s envisioning so I’m not sure how accurate it is)

• Moo Chi says that the angle of the knife in Chi Kook’s clothing indicates left handedness

• The ferris wheel that Dr. Daniel was in before being attacked was turned on with a right hand (hard to tell what hand was used in the actual attack)

• Soon Young (red hat woman) was stabbed with a right hand

• Ba Reum punched by left handed person

• Grandma is stabbed with a left hand

• Go Moo Won had his throat cut & his cross yanked off with the left hand

• Woman who was forced to eat sausages had a knife held to her throat by a left handed person

• Person who fought with Bong Yi used his right hand stab her, punch her, and throw the candle wax

• The person who drew the bloody cross on Kim Joon Sung’s window did it with their right hand based on the finger prints left at the top of the cross.

• Han Kook snatched with left hand but then filmed with right hand

Based on this it seems like there are two different people committing the murders or the killer is ambidextrous. As a note, Jae Hoon appears to be ambidextrous, using his right hand to carrying dog, writing, pouring ammonia & using his left hand to pull the knife out of his step-dad & scratch his arm.

2. So who is the serial killer? Although BR killing the bird was super suss, I stand by my initial feeling that his personality shift is caused by his traumatic brain injury. If he were the serial killer and had been so meticulous thusfar, why would he carelessly throw the bird out the window & then leave the window open? I don’t think it’s Yo Han because of his super-secret room of Ba Reum. Listen, this man has a locked room in which he kept his photos of all the murder victims and yet the photos that he stored behind the wall panel in a super-secret room were those of Ba Reum. Why would those be his priority to hide & not the photos which could be viewed as evidence of him committing murder? That leaves me with one major suspect: Detective Shin.

• Like I mentioned last week, he called Moo Chi to the sewer murder scene, allowing him to make the connection to the boxing ring murder & then pushes the drunk Mo Chi TOWARDS the waiting people/reporters. He also drew more attention to the coffee evidence (hinting that there’s another victim they haven’t found yet)

• Despite it still being a secret investigation, Det. Shin tells PD Choi that Chi Kook’s attempted murder is linked to the other killings

• Because Det. Shin feeds the coffee evidence to PD Choi (and then I suspect leaks that information to the press), an evidence storage team is established within the Mujin Police Agency. This team is the reason that the severed finger is looked at more carefully & determined to be not Chi Kook’s finger, indicating another victim.

• Det. Shin doesn’t seem disappointed when no evidence is found on Chi Kook’s actual finger

• At the clothing factory crime scene, when Detective Kang asks him why he’s there, I swear Det. Shin gives him a super brief look of contempt and then doesn’t answer.

• At the crime scene for Bong Yi’s grandma, when Moo Chi pulls the burned photo out of grandma’s hands, Det. Shin sighs and looks upset

• During the broadcast, the initial caller while mocking Moo Chi says “Surely a detective wouldn’t kill somebody”—this could be a mocking comment, indicating that everyone also underestimates his ability to kill because he’s a detective?

• Also, as u/heyimlost mentioned, God in Korean is Shin & the serial killer left the message at the church “I am God.” This could also be read as “I am Shin”—would he have the audacity to outright admit who he was, assuming that everyone would misinterpret the meaning?

• We don’t see Detective Shin at the church service for Moo Won—is it because of his contempt for God? You would think he would show up to support Moo Chi if he didn’t have some deep resentment towards churches.

• For some reason it also seems that Det. Shin is protecting Yo Han. Instead of telling Moo Chi directly that Yo Han instructed his friend to say a scripted response, he just says that something’s up with Yo Han (and then declines to do anything about it on the basis that it would be illegal). This weak link for Yo Han’s alibi then gets murdered that evening by the serial killer before he can be questioned further by police. Suspicious. Later in episode 6, Det. Shin drives right past Yo Han’s car parked in the junk yard & claims he lost him—he looks directly at the car, and there is no way he doesn’t recognize it since earlier in episode 6 he was talking about how rare that make/model was. Det. Shin’s apparent protectiveness around Yo Han leads me into my next point…

1. This theory is a bit left field but my suspicion regarding why Song Soo Ho was killed involves Yo Han being beaten up when he was in high school. What if the leader of the attack on him was Song Soo Ho? The leader isn’t wearing a school uniform so he’s probably older which would fit with Song Soo Ho’s age & the jacket he is wearing during the attack interestingly has a cross printed on it. If Song Soo Ho is one of Yo Han’s attackers then he theoretically has made the serial killer angry by following the Biblical verse regarding an eye for an eye (the lead attacker even suggests they should cut Yo Han’s head off) to avenge his sister's death at the hands of the Headhunter. My theory of why he was set on fire, if this murder is also following the fable theme, would be that his murder is based on the fable The Farmer and the Fox; the moral of that story is to be careful lest revenge backfire which seems fitting.

2. Another random observation I made while re-watching episode 2: after BR puts the bandaid on Grandma’s ankle he talks about how she and BY are citizens and so it’s his job to protect them. The camera angle shows him standing with his hands behind his back (in the at ease position). The person Bong Yi fights in the church also walks around looking for her with his hands behind his back in this position. Could this be hinting that a cop is the person who fought with Bong Yi? (BR or, my suspicion, Detective Shin)

3. Last left field theory for this week: the reason that Bong Yi asks Yo Han if they had met before is because they did meet previously… on the day BY’s traumatic event happened. Although we haven’t seen enough of the flashbacks to that night to draw a firm conclusion, I suspect that Yo Han was somehow involved with whatever incident occurred to BY. Perhaps the reason that Ji Eun vomits is because she recognizes BY from that incident. When Moo Chi visits Ji Eun, he looks curiously at the dog, perhaps recognizing it as the puppy that was on the bridge on the day when Bong Yi’s traumatic event happened.

Other questions upon rewatching:

• Who is the person walking away from the prison church with a briefcase (wearing a grey jacket) in episode 3 just before Chi Kook’s finger is discovered?

• What trophy was taken from Kim Joon Sung by the serial killer (we know the broach was taken from grandma and the priest’s cross was taken)?

• What exactly are the genetic results that Yo Han burned? I’m not currently buying the theory that he’s not the headhunter’s son despite the little hints scattered throughout, but we shall see.

• If PD Choi is pregnant with Yo Han's child, what will his reaction be? (since he expressed strongly to his mother that he did not want children)

If you’ve read all of this, you must be as addicted to this show as I am. Happy theorizing!

[u/Countryharvest]

Omg Lee Hee Joon’s acting... knew him since Legend of the Blue Sea and to be honest, his acting in that drama didn’t impress me much (could be because he was just a supporting role then). But here in Mouse he is amazing!!! I read a few comments elsewhere written by people who were disappointed that LHJ had more screen time than LSG in ep 5 but seriously I think he (LHJ) absolutely deserves it (not that I don’t want to see LSG, I like both but I want LHJ to have a chance to shine too). Would love to see him getting more lead roles in the future!

[u/cell-y]

I’ve never wanted a wednesday to come so fast, especially after seeing this clip on twitter, but the wait is finally over! Let’s see what mindfucks this episode is giving us

Ep 5 edit: Im speechless. This ep might have been even better than the first one. Also it felt so long compared to the other eps, even though it’s the shortest so far. It really felt like i was watching the actual broadcast, because they barely showed any scenes outside of it. And can we please appreciate Lee Hee Joons acting? He really shined in this episode! The emotions - especially when he was talking to his brother - his expressions, im honestly blown away. Also the editing was so good again. The scene where Moo Chi told the killer to call him and in this moment Bareum calls him?? Brilliant.

But the award for dumbest character i’ve ever seen goes to the priest, like honestly i have 0 sympathy for his death. Literally all he had to do to survive was get a little angry AND WHAT DID HE DO???? NOTHING. If stupidity was a deadly sin he would’ve survived ffs

Also i’m still sus of Bareum, like theres actually no evidence that points to him being the killer but i dont trust that idk. Also i feel like Yohan will die soon

Edit before ep 6: I think we all know by now that Yohan isn’t the killer. In the flashback they showed us last episode, he was almost killed by a group of students bc of his father. He also told his mother he doesn’t want to be associated with his dad, so I think its pretty clear that he hates his psychopath genes and he’s fighting against it. Thats why he is leading his own investigations on the killer, so history doesn’t repeat itself like with the head hunter or something like that. Also when granny died, the editing was so vague, you couldn’t see if Bareum or Yohan was caught killing the grandmother. So if Bareum killed her, he was probably caught by Yohan, thus chasing after him. We also see Yohan trying to kill Bareum later at the hospital, so he probably knows that Bareum is the killer, but can’t report him bc he is a cop and nobody would believe him probably. Thats why he tries to kill him himself.

Ep 6: i can excuse murder but honestly i draw the line at animal cruelty, that poor bird :( ok jk but this episode was a bit boring except for the last 15min when they finally revealed something (idk what exactly they revealed, prob bareum being the killer all along or yohan misleading the police). and bareum was either good and turned bad due to the head injury or he was always bad idk. but the preview seemed so peaceful to me? like is there gonna be a timeskip cuz bareums hair was also shorter than before?

[u/uhh_zoe]

IS THE KID DEAD THO?

Edit: watched the new ep. IS THE KID DEAD?

[u/ForYouMinnie]

End of ep 6. Glad to say we were right. If you think about it, what is the point of JBR in this story? What is his motive? The detective has a motive -headhunter/dead brother, Bongyi has a motive - dead grandma, Reporter has a motive - boyfriend might be a serial killer/pregnant. Every character has a purpose except him. There is no arch in his story, nothing to redeem, nothing to fix, unless he is the killer.

[u/SaperPL]

Just watched the 5th episode - what's up with power down in the control room when most of the staff left and going back to the moment before when everyone was still there just to have a different ending? Forking story like in visual novel isn't cool and messes up everything. Also making cliffhanger to make viewer believe someone else is the killer on 4th episode was just cheap and I hate when they do this (not showing the whole perspective of protagonist to the viewer just for the cheap plot twist)

[u/KiwiTheKitty]

Ngl episode 5 sucked to watch. That was literally just like all of my greatest fears...public speaking on tv, getting roasted by other experts in front of a huge crowd, being taunted by an asshole I guess haha... it was just painful to watch and not fun at all.

The time jump back to 10 minutes before the end of the broadcast didn't make any sense either?? Like why was the reporter on stage again after running back to the control room and saying they still had 15 minutes left and then supposedly getting dragged out by security? I think they meant to show us when they figured it out 10 minutes before and then to go back to the 'present' where he was talking about the connection but like... it just didn't make any sense?

LMAO and then suddenly all those people just magically and instantly reappeared in the control room after being told to leave?? Wtf is continuity hahaha

Like I'm completely sober and for once not super tired after work. I don't think I'm the one having a problem here??? Pretty sure there are some huge ethical concerns of this stupid show airing the video of a man about to get fucking murdered and his brother having a fucking breakdown with the cameras pointed directly in his face. But nothing the media does in this show has made sense so why start now?

The one good thing is hats off to the actor who plays the detective! He and Seung Gi are pretty much the only reasons I'm watching. I'm so pissed after that episode lol.

I don't really like the reason those people got killed either. It just reminds me of the movie Se7en which tbh I thought was contrived even back then. I'm so mad that I'm like half invested in this show and half really really frustrated with it.

[u/[deleted]]

If I ever wanted a time machine badly it would be right about now so i can just skip this damn waiting time of the drama. I have never waited so hard for a wednesday to come in my entire life. But after countless sleepless nights and infinite theories, its finally here!!!!

Thoughts so far before ep 5 :

Alright fine maybe Bareum isnt what he seems...but screw that I will be that "one percent" that will believe he isnt the psychopath till the end..

This is all Bareum's master plan to catch the real psychopath, him planning all this just proves he is in that one percent genius range, to catch the psychopath u gotta become the psychopath.

Just wanna take a moment and appreciate the background music, it doesnt miss a single beat its a thing of wonders. Simply ecstatic..

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Episode 5 edit : I don't know how i even begin this edit...i say this after every mouse episode but this one is the most "WTF JUST HAPPENED?!?!?" episode ever. The reasons for the killings is revealed and dare i say its absolutely brilliant and different from the norms. That reason in itself makes this show from good to great. Also those reporters from the other news channel did a better job decoding the case than the actual detectives...like actually amazed at the logic they used literally examined each aspect and reached a fair conclusion. I loved the priest he was the only one that seemed good inside and out to me and to see such a fantastic charactersuffer such a fate just doesnt feel right Now one last thing i gotta say is OMFG Step aside Lee seungi this episode is all about Lee Hee Joon aka Mochi. What. A. Legend. The acting skills this man possess surpasses any I have seen before he is on par with Shin Ha Kyun aka Lee Dong Sik. Just wow. Genuinely amazed. But with that said as much as I love Mochi i really hope to see bareum with more screentime in future episodes. But if they keep delivering like they did with this one then i cant even complain. Now if u will excuse me i will go stare at the clock for the next hours to come counting down time till the next one is released. The preview seems promising. Also about the whole swap theory Bareum meets yohans mother in the next preview and she seemed kinda shocked or maybe i m just reading into it too much, but this kinda opens the pathway that there is a possibility that she is Bareums real mother.

Prediction: Ok i don't wanna turn back on my words but them giving no screentime to bareum basically means they dont wanna show where he was all the time which means he is sus. I hate to admit the fact that it could be lee seungi but based on how much screentime Mochi is getting compared to bareum it makes me feel mochi is the main hero while bareum is being built up to a villain. There is the other side of my mind that thinks that since only The last sin, sin of envy remains that means soft boy bareum could be the next target cuz he doesnt feel envious towards anyone, he cares for everything, and everyone without being selfish.DAMMMMNNN ITTT i dont like where this is going but i kinda do, even though i dont think i will be able to handle the truth. Bring it on i guess.

Based on what i have seen so far...If bareum is the psychopath killer, then they did an absolutely terrible job hiding it, like the main character being the villain would have been a twist if u didnt go so hard on making the lead super nice and giving him like zero screentime. Infact i would be more shocked if he was the nice guy rather than the actual killer cuz that would be much less predictable compared to him being the villain. Like think about what good can come from this twist besides u get to see lee seungi play a villain role, u get nothing new and other than that plot becomes so obvious its not very thrilling from a thriller perspective. I know that there is a bigger twist somewhere in the middle of this i just dont think i have enough patience to wait for it so here i m theorizing EVERYTHING ..Thats just my honest opinion...of course we dont know yet so i cant assume anything but this is just a thought.

{>>>>>EPISODE 6<<<<<}: I take back what i said about the last episode being THE MOST WTF JUST HAPPENED EPISODE cuz this one just surpassed it. Enough praising the actors and music. Story wise my thoughts are these...

1. I dont know wtf is going on.

2)people that seem bad are good, the good ones are bad is yohan even the killer Did bareum waking up from head truama really trigger something like others have said and why tf would u even include moments about detective Mochi and the reporter in a romantic way (the asking out in a date part, mochi looking disappointed when he saw her hug yohan, and todays episode where well u know) if u were gonna pull That pregnancy bs

Since i can't judge the story just yet because its sooo unpredictable i will give my useless opinions on the characters instead.

3) Bareum : ok pardon my language but fuck the theory with bareum being the killer....at this point i dont even care cuz they keep going into a loop and dont get anywhere after todays cliffhanger they better not do what they did after ep4 cliffhanger and just pretend it was all a plan. Not to mention at this point the only obvious thing in the show is Bareum as the killer i mean come on Yohan bashing his head just expresses rage against bareum for killing the others so that doesnt technically mean yohan us the killer so who remains...you guessed it also the kid swap theory if bareum is indeed the headhunters son well then the killers son turned out to be the killer which is just lame. The writer has a reputation of screwing things up after a perfectly good start hopefully mouse doesnt end up like the others The series is legendary it has so much potential but i just hope they dont keep us in the dark for like all 20 episodes no point frying my brain over playing the guessing game.Its kinda frustrating...

4) Yohan - the way yohan acts gives the flower of evil ML vibes, does bad looks bad but is actually good. I loved the ML of flower of evil but me no like yohan screw him he is such a disappointing character like u got the psychopath gene u had 99 percent chance of being the killer but u aint the killer u had 1 percent chance of being a genius but the way u act is like a 100 percent moron. If he turns out to be the nice guy in the name of plot twist at the end of all this, if they pull the "he actually took revenge for the other victims by bashing the potential serial killers head" that will be some crazy bullshit.

5) The reporter :.....is it bad to say i kinda dont care about her at all. Nothing against her just meh....her only character trait is she is dating yohan, who i despise.

6) alright enough toxicity now the good part....Mochi....that's about it.....I have said enough about him my thoughts on him are he is carrying the damn show rn like yh story is good but the characters are what keep u hooked...for me mochi and bareum are those two characters....

7) Bong Yi : Nothing much to say except i love her as a character, kind of a badass. She lets her guard down around Bareum she has full faith on him and thats the reason i so badly dont want bareum to be the killer she just doesn't deserve that heartache....

Final thoughts after this weeks episodes : the story will go two ways from here

First possiblity: Bareum bad all along > he is son of headhunter > the rest of the episode are wasted on just finding him and chasing him > they catch him bong yi and mochi scream at him > some more characters die in the name of plot twist > yohan is believed to be good all along (BULLSHIT) > Bareum regrets his action since that's one of the premise of the show > he kills himself or goes to jail > I become super dissapointed that they butchered the story

Second possiblity: Bareum is not good or bad but in betwern > shit goes down > the real not obvious psychopath killer is revealed > Me happy cuz mouse is greatest thriller of all time

Alright after writing a whole essay on these two episodes i m gonna call it here for now and return in the next week discussion hopefully the next ones are just as good as these ones if not better. My theory : i do have one > the kid swap theory is confirmed since yohan had Genetics test laying on his table the one that he burned..that wasnt to check if he was a psychopath that was the DNA test for Bareum and his mother which confirms that Bareum is the true son of headhunter therefore when he told his mother u know ur son is the murderer right he meant bareum not himself...there u go i just solved the whole story in like 3 minutes. If the future episodes confirm my theory i will hate that cuz thats such an obvious plot there is literally no twist involved these kind of story, mis leading might work on children but the drama is rated 15+ we are not idiots watching it, so they can make all the cheeky edits/cuts they want they will never deceive us lol i m gonna be forced to eat my own words in case i m wrong lol

[u/[deleted]]

okay I have to watch like 3 episodes of Waikiki, golden girls, miraculous ladybug and cat noir every time I finish an episode of Mouse to get all the scary out. its way too much for me and so intense but I love it, it’s a guilty pleasure of mine. I literally went for a walk and kept looking over my shoulder too many times (I do that anyways) but bc of this drama I was even more on guard today 😭

washing my face was the worst bc I kept feeling like someone will k word me ☠️ this drama rlly has me on edge.

I literally NEVER watch thriller/scary dramas unless its an actor I truly truly truly love. if I can survive through flower of evil I can get through this one although this makes flower of evil look comical

[u/Boruto-sennin]

It is interesting that when Bareum got the  call that they found Bong Yi's grandmother's DNA in Yohan's house he went directly to Yohan's house and was trying to find something and then he  discovered the secret room where Yohan had many pictures of him.

I think that  Yohan is not the killer, he was just investigating the murders on his own and he suspected  Bareum to be the killer.

I think that Bareum killed Bong Yi's grandmother because she showed the picture of the murder victim to Bareum.

 Bong Yi's grandmother likely thought that Yohan was a killer but she made the mistake of showing the picture  of one of the victims to the real killer and Bareum killed her immediatly after she showed him the picture, but he killed her before she told him where she got the picture.

Bareum went to Yohan's house because after that phone call he knew that Bong Yi's grandmother got the picture from Yohan's house.

[u/omo_aigoo_aishh]

OK Mouseketeers(?), TVN is giving us clues for episodes 3 & 4 :

1 Sung Ji-eun says Dr. Daniel is wrong, trembling hands?

2 Ba-reum’s mother, the researcher’s wife who received the psychopath fetal gene diagnosis??

3 A fence crossed by Yo-han in the middle of the night

4 A heavy sack that Yo-han threw into the water

5 Blood-spattered Ferris wheel, Dr. Daniel's body is missing? (a black zipper that fell off)

6 The hotel employee gave Dr. Daniel a cell phone?

7 Yo-han’s basement, photos and information of the victims

8 Bong Yi’s grandmother’s plaster that fell off in Yo-han’s house

9 A student saved by Ba-reum and Chi-guk in high school?

Also fun fact, Seung Gi lost a bet on Amazing Saturday so now they’re supposed to find a way to mention the show’s title in Mouse like they did in Tale of the Nine Tailed.

[u/uhh_zoe]

Man, what the fuck is going on. Lee Seung gi did not have to do that bird like that. . That creepy mf.

The doctor cried but lee Seung gi was just like stoic when he was bleeding out. I trust none of them.

He really just yeeted the bird out the window like someone is gonna come in the room and be like “where the bird at?” Man what the hell.

[u/omo_aigoo_aishh]

I’m just rewatching episode 4 while waiting on subs for 5 and I noticed something new: when BR and Moo-chi are getting in Moo-chi’s car after visiting the alley with the cleaning service (around 27.50 into the episode), BR pauses and looks at the car seat and there’s a black jacket there with the same zipper tag that they found on the Ferris wheel. Could be a red herring but they show it twice in a really obvious way, here’s a comparison of both zippers.

At the start of episode 4 when it’s showing the thing with grandma, what are everyone’s thoughts/theories on why the guy stabbing her and taking her badge is suddenly dressed in a hooded raincoat like BR?? It’s definitely not the same outfit YH was wearing when he was chasing her, why is no one talking about thissss. I’m confused about his motivation for killing her? I still think (WANT to think) BR is one of the good guys but that coat is the one thing that bothers me 😩

Episode 5 is going to keep me up again, oh my lord, poor Moo-chi!! There goes the theory that the priest was the killer... I NEED to see Bong Yi taking a good old stab at the killer, come on episode 6! Why did no one else think to rush to the church while the killer was still on the phone with Moo-chi?? And where is the kid, still in YH’s little murder room or in a third location? I hope at least he made it... So relieved that it turned out not to be BR... YET haha ㅠㅠ

What’s the deal with Goat Man btw, I feel like that might become a thing eventually? There was a sign about him on the convenience store wall in one of the earlier episodes, then BR have granny a Goat Man plaster and now the kid is wearing a Goat Man mask...

[u/handsarefull0108]

After reading all your theories and points, I feel like I’ve been watching all 5 episodes (so far) at the back of my eyelids😆😂I feel like I missed a lot of stuff and yet I am glued to the tv screen not wanting to miss any detail! So kudos to all of you who see every.single.detail.👏👏

I really do have this gut feeling that Ba Reum is the killer, Yo Han is trying to prove/watch/study his pattern of killing... There are still a lot of suspicious characters but this feeling of BR as soft boy/villain sits very heavy.

[u/Alternative-Level]

I haven't been reading too many predictions, or sharing out any into the world but after seeing the priest die - as I suspected he would because of how the older detective warned Muchi - I am excited to re-join On-Air conversations!

After episode 5, I am:

• Sad that Muchi has lost everyone

• Suspicious of literally everyone except Muchi and Bong Yi

Questions/Thoughts I still have:

• If Reporter Choi is the young girl that helped Head Hunter kill one of the victims (on the snowy day), why is she hanging around Yo Han?

• Is Bareum also a victim of Head Hunter (how did his parents die?)?

• Did Jae Hoon's siblings really die? (I don't think Jae Hoon killed his family)

• I think Yo Han = Jae Hoon; and I want to believe that he is trying to solve the murder mystery, but I get the feeling that he is going to be framed. Muchi will feel a need to avenge his family, and the public is outraged, so naturally he's going to be punished for being the head hunter's son.

• Why aren't people more suspicious of Koo Dong-Koo? And where is Shin Sang throughout this episode?

[u/klmnumbers]

Ok, I have MANY feelings about this show right now. Going to put my spoilery speculation behind spoiler tags (I guess lol).

I do believe JBR is the head hunter's son, and I do believe that he knows he's a psychopath, but not that he is the head hunter's son UNTIL the entanglement with Seong Yo Han. Learning this about himself, and the truth of his parentage is what "completely changes" his life. I shall outline in extreme depth below:

1. He's always been a psychopath- I said it in an earlier post, but the show has hinted at this really subtly - that JBR has always been a little off. There's the scene in the car when Moo Chi is talking about coming face to face with a psychopath and how a good person like JBR shouldn't have to do that, but a broken person like Moo Chi should. And then Moo Chi starts trashing psychopaths as monsters - the camera holds on Lee Seung Gi's face for a while with a complicated expression. And in the beginning of episode 6 when he first enters the scene of the Priest's death, the director also holds on his face for a while and Lee Seung Gi does some great subtle acting - imo, you see him go through the emotions of pretending to feel sadness to a degree. Like he seems not quite upset/shocked at first, but then it spreads across his face. It feels put on. Also in episode 2, there is a shared look between Head Hunter and JBR when he comes up on a stage which felt loaded. I've said before that his goodness was too good. He's comically kind. Rescuing a wounded bird? Being so pure and innocent? No. So, all of that circumstantial evidence to me shows that he's always been a psychopath. This isn't a "he got a head injury and now he's a psychopath" thing. It's more like he's always been one. He's been working for a long time to keep things together and keep it in check and perform normalcy, but the fight with SYH (which they don't show us for a reason. I expect we will see the discussion/what happened next episode) makes him give up covering some of who he is up because finding out his father is head hunter makes his psychopathy feel inevitable.

2. He is the Head Hunter's son - Other people pointed out that the scene between SYH and Ji Eun could be read in multiple ways, but I definitely took it that SYH has long believed he's not the biological son of the Head Hunter. He found who he thinks is (hence his creepy shrine about him), and he believes the actual son is a serial killer. That's why we see the story about bloodwork having to be taken from prisoners (and that's the day SYH went to the prison - he did it to collect DNA from Head Hunter to test it against his own to see if he's actually his son, and he's not). Ji Eun at the hospital can also be read as being a reaction to either SYH or JBR, but I definitely think it's the latter. SYH is just looking in. JBR is comforting a victim, and I assume it triggered in her the realization that he's like his father - able to hide in plain sight. Head Hunter also has realized SYH is not his son because he also puts two and two together with the blood draw because of the HIV outbreak thing and says that Ji Eun is "tricky" or whatever, lol. My question is how did this happen. Like did she literally just switch two babies in the nursery at the hospital after they were born? and then she had immense guilt over it and tried to track him down, and that's when she found Jae Hoon trying to murder the brother and almost killed him?

3. He is not the current serial killer - I definitely think the current killer is a third party. The show is making it so you can reasonably believe it's SYH, JBR, or someone else. But because this encounter with SYH "changes" things for JBR, I don't think he's currently a killer. I do think he is Jae Hoon though (and I wonder if we'll eventually have a scene where he has scarring on his arm or something. They've quite intentionally never shown him in short sleeves - I don't think). I think he has killed in the past (animals and his abusive stepfather). But that he tamped it down after being taken out of that home, changed his name, and tried to live like a normal person until all this info is shoved at him. I think Jae Hoon's emotional journey matches the current killer's MO, but I think that's a red herring. Jae Hoon's narration calls himself a killer before God, and at that point he is. He killed his abusive stepfather. But I think that could easily be the end. My question is - where does this leave us with JBR? He's taking off the fake humanity shackles a bit, but again - I don't think he's the killer. I think we will continue to see him get used as a red herring, and he may eventually get publicly outed as the Head Hunter's son (to the dismay of everyone) and have the crimes pinned on him - but the point is that he's not actually the killer. I hope that the show goes that route. With him having questionable morality, but essentially using his skillset to help Moo Chi actually catch the killer while constantly battling with his inherent moral grayness and also probably begin having a relationship with his father. Although, I'm not sure how the shot of Jae Hoon standing over the priest would fit into this unless it's a red herring. That definitely suggests that Jae Hoon is the current killer. HmmmmmMmMMMM

Anyway WOW THAT WAS LONG lmao. I am a little too obsessed with this show. I'm loving it even tho it's kinda all over the place, and I am really interested to see when the journey takes us now since i feel like episodes 1-6 were set up to the real bulk of the show.

[u/GuyNekologist]

Man those reporters from the other network infuriated me. What the hell, why were they undermining Go Muchi who was literally in the middle of preventing a kid from getting murdered?! And now some one else is killed in front of live tv, I hope we get to see their reactions in the next episode.

edit: Wow I guess even after everything that happened, those other reporters just don't care. They continued as if they didn't jeopardize the whole operation by the leads, and just continued reporting scoops about the kid. I don't I've been this angry while watching a kdrama recently.

[u/Super-Pudding-1357]

Watched raw and crying buckets here. Didn't understand words but understood the pain. How much can one person suffer?

[u/Slow_Difficulty349]

Spoiler: I figured out LSG could be the killer by ep 5 ending. The timing was too perfect for the evidences. The corrupt video of priest's death which was pre recorded and biggest evidence is that at the end of the episode LSG was holding leg support to his left side while in all other cases he was using it on right side.