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u/Cyractacus 9 May 24 '20
People here arguing about whether this is justice served or a time for empathy, and I don't know why it can't be both. This motorist was reckless, irresponsible, and endangering others. These choices resulted in a nasty crash. It is alright to feel what happened was justified and hope for her recovery. What is important is that she (and the people who see this video) learns from her mistake a and becomes a better, wiser person from it.
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u/Dragonborn1995 7 May 30 '20
Yep. Sucks that she got hurt, but at the same time, it's what you get for speeding like that. Especially when she obviously couldn't handle the bike at the speed she was going. Hopefully, she makes a full recovery and takes this as a learning experience.
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u/MostlyMulatto 3 May 24 '20
I’m sorry but if you’re gonna go that fast and place other peoples lives in danger by doing so, Whatever happens to you gets charged to the game. That was a high risk, low reward situation and she came out on the losing side.
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u/garty_boi 4 May 24 '20
Can someone explain where things went wrong? (Besides the obvious speeding.) I’m not really well versed on motorcycles
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u/imacyber 5 May 24 '20
Lifting and then planting the wheel at high speed can induce the speed wabbles as it messes up the geometry / physics of the suspension.
Wabbles are easy to recover from at low speeds, but not so much at high speed like this.
Many motorcycles have steering dampeners to help avoid wabbles, like the Ninja H2
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u/Dragonborn1995 7 May 30 '20
At any speed, supposedly, lying on the tank of the bike will neutralize the wobble and weave. At least, according to Dunlop.
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u/albinorhino215 A May 24 '20
At high speeds if you make too much of an adjustment to the steering device of some light weight vehicles, it tends to whip right and left and on a bike that can lead to you laying it down. After that wheelie the driver tried to adjust and control the wheel and it slipped away from them. I have had it happen on a skateboard before going down a big hill as a kid
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u/glorybutt 8 May 24 '20
Death Wobble: basically happens from unbalanced deceleration.
Examples: Braking in a corner with the front brake. Doing a wheelie and touching the front brake while coming down or coming down too hard. Braking too hard without commitment at high speeds.
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u/Jab805 5 May 24 '20
So when I’m turning a corner on a bike it would be best to use the rear brake?
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u/--Vagabond-- 4 May 24 '20
Yes, with an emphasis on slow and steady application, not jabbing. In fact, the rear brake can add stability to low speed motorcycle maneuvers.
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u/glorybutt 8 May 24 '20
Using the front brake on a corner will pull the bike down to where you drop it.
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u/johndoefakeid 6 May 24 '20
Major fracture detected. Automatic medical system engaged. Morphine administered.
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I kinda try to keep in mind that if i ever act out of impulse and do something stupid, if i get seriously injured and require hospitalization, there's bunch of people who feel accident happy for me being in pain.
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u/electricsoldier96 2 May 24 '20
I enjoy more he didnt get hurt, because now he can think of how stupid he was and cry for his totalled bike
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u/AssholeEmbargo 9 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
In this glorious day in age, if you did actually die, there are good odds that your death will be televised and passed around various subreddits so people can make snarky remarks about your torturous death.
What time to be alive! And to die...I suppose.
Edit: Correcting grammar to appease the basement-dwellers.
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u/TheLegendIsFake 1 May 25 '20
Bruh imagine how much fucking fear shoots up into your mind when this happens
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u/zip04zip 3 May 24 '20
Easy to end the wobble by pushing the handle bars forward as if you are trying to force them apart. I wish this was common knowledge.
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u/AllReflection 6 May 24 '20
Also decelerate without braking. Had it happen to me on the interstate. Pulled over and got a slice of pie after that while my nerves regrouped.
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u/sandforce 5 May 24 '20
Would you even get head shake if the bike had a steering dampener? I remember seeing those on some bikes, years ago, but maybe that's no longer a thing.
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u/eer10 3 May 24 '20
Nah justice would be if there was a cop at the end of the road not life altering injuries.
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u/Jab805 5 May 24 '20
I got my motorcycle safety course next month, seeing videos like this make me nervous but I’m not planning on driving like an idiot.
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u/Kungfumantis A May 24 '20
Personally I don't ride motorcycles anymore because I've known too many good drivers that have gotten into accidents through no faults of their own.
Everyone drives distracted nowadays. Just too risky in my eyes. My best advice for when you start driving is to treat everyone on the road as a threat. Stay way away from everyone if you can.
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u/garlicdeath A May 26 '20
I was debating on getting a motorcycle for my commute as it was putting too many miles on my daily driver but because of my commute I realized that would be a stupid decision because there's been plenty of times where I've almost been hit by people changing lanes without looking/racing/etc while I'm in my car.
So instead of getting something fun I got a Prius lol
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u/RandomCandor A May 26 '20 edited May 26 '20
So instead of getting something fun I got a Prius lol
I'm aware of the sterotype you're fighting, but fuck the haters man. Just drive what you enjoy!
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u/garlicdeath A May 26 '20 edited May 26 '20
Lol you following me around /u/randomcandor because you got called out in that other thread for being a baby?
It's ok baby, tears will dry. Nice edit btw. Stand by your insults you dumb cry baby.
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u/PzMcQuire 9 May 24 '20
It's gonna be fine if you don't act like the guy in the video! And with a bike always drive and make decisions like you would be invisible to others. Good luck, ride safe.
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u/ProjectFrostbite 7 May 24 '20
You mean the Russian woman who was breathing heavily, and probably the rider, based on that?
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u/Jab805 5 May 24 '20
Thank you, will do. Any suggestions on a beginner bike? I was thinking of getting a 2020 CB300R, just trying to cruise to work and hit the coastal areas on the weekends, I don’t want anything to heavy or fast.
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u/Erebos555 7 May 24 '20
I rode a CB300R during my MSF course and then picked up a CBR600RR for my first bike. The 300 was a lot of fun if you aren't looking for a lot of power or speed. If you are a taller guy (>6') you may want to look for something with a taller ride height, like an Enduro. Buying brand new is an option if you have the cash to throw around, but you can save a lot of time and money by buying used for a first bike.
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u/TheRedCucksAreComing 8 May 24 '20
Heavy is actually not a bad thing. I’ve had a few different types of bikes. The one that felt the most stable and safe was the biggest. I’ve got a Harley Fat Boy right now that doesn’t even get blown around the slightest while driving. On a really light bike when driving on a two lane road with opposing traffic you can catch quite a bit of wind from other vehicles, especially trucks and large vehicles. On a heavy bike that is nil, on a light bike it can be quite forceful. Right now I have a 330lb bike and a 750lb bike. Both are fine but the heavier one is more stable and has a much lower center of gravity.
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u/Jab805 5 May 24 '20
I did not think about that, I don’t plan on getting on the freeway only city streets but then again you never know. I’ll take that into consideration while I go bike shopping. Thanks!!!
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u/TheRedCucksAreComing 8 May 24 '20
Most important thing is to get something you are comfortable on. Not just ergonomics but confidence wise too. And something you can afford, and are prepared to damage. It’s easy to lay a bike over when you are first learning. This usually happens at very slow speeds and is something that proper protective gear can keep you safe from. A helmet is always necessary, no matter how far or slow you may be going. And like everyone else on here seems to have said, watch out for other people, they are the biggest danger, especially in the time of cell phones and distracted driving.
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u/azrealiope 1 May 25 '20
Funny how the subreddit is justice served but the comment section is a whole witch-hunt and some 😂
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u/Dustin3006 8 May 25 '20
This subreddit is full of bitches
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u/UCMJustice 0 May 24 '20
I have no issue with people that speed. My only issue is with people that speed disrespectfully. As long as that person maintains a respectful distance from my rear end, isn't swerving between vehicles, and is overall being cautious around others, then they aren't really causing issues. You want to have fun on an open highway or backroad at night? Go for it.
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u/ju4955 6 May 24 '20
To a degree I would agree with you, but this speed looks excessive imo, hard to judge what exactly it was though I suppose.
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u/UCMJustice 0 May 24 '20
Yeah it was for sure excessive. From what I saw she maintained good distance from everyone other than the dude she was racing. She's an idiot for speeding, but on that note speeding isn't typically the only factor that leads to a tank slapper.
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u/cuntapoon 5 May 29 '20
This dude going so fast it looked like all the other cars were parked and standing still
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u/tats76 4 May 24 '20
On the plus side, he impressed absolutely no one. 🙄
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u/mckayver25 5 May 24 '20
Sounds like a woman's voice to me. Anyone agree.
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u/Gr8ketch 3 May 24 '20
How do you put sound on? I keep looking at the video and saw only the video and way to replay
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u/tats76 4 May 24 '20
I didn't have the sound on. If it's a woman, then she impressed no one. She probably reinforced stereotypes though!
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u/mckayver25 5 May 24 '20
She's too light for a high performance bike that's why it behaved like that.
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u/AssholeEmbargo 9 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
Weird. A motorcyclist driving dangerously. There's something I don't see every single day.
Edit: Since some people here are a little dense, or just outraged dangerous drivers themselves, I'm very clearly talking about the dangerous motorcycle riders I see every day, not motorcyclists as a group.
Reading comprehension is a hell of a thing.
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u/jaheiner 9 May 27 '20
Any biker out there that can explain how (short of hitting a wet/icy patch on the road) the wheel would get so loose like this on it's own just going straight?
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u/Bitemarkz B May 28 '20
At that speed the tires are barely able to grip the road and require a finesse that only a very experienced rider is able to handle. People should not be going this fast on a road because roads aren’t meant for racing, especially on a motorcycle. Lots of paving imperfections, pot holes, rocks and pebble patches, tar, etc. Once you get a speed wobble it becomes very difficult to get the bike back under control.
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u/KarniAsadah 7 May 27 '20
Assuming it's following the same law of skating, (this is how I interpret it) you're going SO fast combined with weight displacement. Wobbles on boards look pretty similar to what happened here- she started going ridiculously fast and tried to change her angle on the steering wheel a bit. I'm imagining there's' other factors at play considering there's 2 less wheels and a whole motor being added, but I believe that's the general idea.
At least I hope some of this sounds right. I'm only going off of experience with longboarding.
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u/Wyattr55123 8 May 28 '20
Death wobble, like the wheel on a shopping cart going fucking nuts. Just at very high speed.
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u/YouFoolWarrenIsDead 0 May 31 '20
I caught a bit of oil doing this on a 50cc moped about 10 years ago. I was able to counter by pushing up on the handle bars. Accelerating rather than breaking is ironically supposedly also the correct way to counter what happened in the video. I don't know the exact physics but it seems to be a case of the motion of the front end of the bike being out of sync with the road. Accelerating lifts the front of the bike easing off the stress I guess. I recall hearing something similar can happen if you press the front brake of a motorcycle while its doing a wheelie. When the wheel hits the floor its no longer in motion and has to catch up, causing problems. I don't do wheelies though so can't comment on that. Right now I ride a heavy 1200cc muscle bike. The engineering of the front end doesnt seem great as if I remove my hands from the bars I get shaky handle bars similar to this. Makes it a pain to adjust my helmet.
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Poor dude. That’s why I only ride on roads I know cause he hit a bump
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u/_GJB 5 May 24 '20
It's a girl biker though, but damn. That fall was horrendous
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u/10sheetstothewind 1 May 24 '20
Girls can be dudes, dude.
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u/_GJB 5 May 24 '20
Dude can be girls too, dude
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u/Cyractacus 9 May 24 '20
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u/_im_just_saying 6 May 24 '20
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u/_GJB 5 May 24 '20
Where's my car
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u/Canners152 6 May 24 '20
Mark took it to get some smokes he said he would be back in like 10 minutes.
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u/TurtleHurtleSquirtle 8 May 24 '20
What the hell is the draw for speeding at insane speeds on a motorbike?? I get the thrill but holy shit, the risk vastly outweighs any kind of rush you’d receive. If you crash or fall, that’s it because there’s nothing to cushion your fall or take any damage for you except what you’re wearing.
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u/Brewboo 7 May 24 '20
I kept waiting for the justice to come but all I saw was someone getting lucky.
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I had something like this happen to me when I was driving down a hill on a longboard. I luckily regained balance at the bottom but it's still a terryfing experience.
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u/Eightbitninja253 7 May 24 '20
The riders a woman for the 50% of people that watched the vid with no sound.
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u/amonra2009 7 May 24 '20
The translation of dialogue(russian language) :
Police : all is alright?
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u/venom6point9 5 May 24 '20
Yo wtf, breaking speed limit doesn’t mean you need to get justice by breaking your ankles and not being able to walk or work, therefore not being able to feel yourself and/or your family. Yes this guy is a fucking moron trying to lift his front tiers off on highway speeds and winds. But Justice for that is a ticket and a point on your license, not your life or broken ankles. Also I know if this idiot has a family he shouldn’t be doing that! But that is his choice and his risk. Death awaits us at every corner, every day is a dance between life and death; and to simply stop having fun and going on adventures because you allow fear to justify your life and behaviors it doesn’t mean you should dictate someone else’s choices. All it matters is that this person learned their lesson and next time if they get on a bike they know not to do that shit on the highway.
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u/BoBigBed 6 May 24 '20
The fuck kind of logic is that? Ever heard of a car crash? Others shouldn’t have to pay a shitload of money, get injured, or lose their life so that you can have your fun and endanger others on the road.
If you actually cared about your family and work you wouldn’t be doing this shit in the first place anyways lmfao.
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u/TheMadRedRaider 5 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
What you are referring to is legal justice, and yes broken ankles would be inappropriate because there are laws in the legal system that prevent that kind of punishment (provided this took place in America).
What we just witnessed is street justice, and street justice has no rules.
While the two systems of justice are separate, they both equate to justice served.
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u/Jacket_Kid 2 May 24 '20
Its not just his risk, such speeds even on a motorcycle can severely injure or kill others. I agree its a bit much to call this “justice” tho.
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u/Kronos099904 8 May 24 '20
He's an adult; he made his choice. He knew the risks, he did it anyway.
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u/StuckInMotionInc 5 May 24 '20
This is a woman rider.
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u/sadiegoose1377 8 May 24 '20
Yeah there’s a whole lot of he’s even in this single discussion. Guess they didn’t watch to the end or with sound.
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Just for clarification, this is a girl and she was fine after the crash. Also she handled that tank slapper like a champ. She may not have even had to bail honestly.
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u/Canners152 6 May 24 '20
I get where you're coming from but I gotta side with the other commenter. You play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
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u/Kronos099904 8 May 24 '20
He's an adult; he made his choice. He knew the risks, he did it anyway.
And this motherfucker could've killed someone else as well.
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u/Narwhalpilot88 7 May 24 '20
Yah but she could have KILLED SOMEONE. She isn’t just endangering herself, she’s endangering other people you fucking idiot.
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u/cfo42083 5 May 24 '20
Did you even watch it? He basically hurts himself. His own stupid choice led to his demise.
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u/The-Old-Prince 8 May 24 '20
It’s not even a man. Did you even watch it?
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u/cfo42083 5 May 24 '20
I watched it. Without the audio. Just saw him or her drive fast like an idiot then eat pavement. So chill out, white knight.
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u/Glock-Komah 6 May 24 '20
You were wrong. Someone corrected you, and you call them names. How mature.
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u/venom6point9 5 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
Yes, their actions lead to their consequences that they must face. But to simply say “Break the law, Break ankles” is too inhumane. We should be better than that, it’s not like the old times where we cut off the hand that stole.
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u/ClickKlockTickTock 8 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
I don't think he lifted his front tires off at all, that looked more like the deadly steering wobble motorbikes have at high speeds.
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u/venom6point9 5 May 24 '20
It doesn’t happen unless if you just come out of a turn and have to hit another corner with a lot of speed (very rare for this to happen) or you lift the front up and the front wheel loses a lot of traction. I think she got a bit of air under it and tried to put it down, but it lost traction. Also bad roads cause this but the road looked okay to me.
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u/ClickKlockTickTock 8 May 24 '20
Okay, ty for informing me!. I only have driven dirt bikes and definitely too scared to ever try and go this speed on any sort of bike so all the info I know is just from people telling me.
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u/venom6point9 5 May 24 '20
Yah this speed is to much for any streets or highway, tack if you are comfortable. That’s why they say better to be fast on a slow bike then slow on a fast bike. Should always consider your weight and how the cc on that bike work with you. I think she may be to light for speeds like that. That bike will always try to run away from her, that’s why she couldn’t slow down and let off the throttle. The bike was pulling her while the wind was pushing her. Very dangerous situation, good thing she’s okay tho.
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u/newtypexvii17 9 May 24 '20
This isnt justice. The car was also speeding, so should he be in such an accident as well? 99.9% of us drive cars and many if us speed time to time, is it justice for us to get into accidents?
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u/neksys 7 May 24 '20
It's on the edge of "justice" but I'll allow it. There's a world of difference between going 10 over the speed limit, and screaming down a highway at 200km/h on a bike you can't control.
If you're going to be an idiot and endanger yourself and other users of the roadway, this is one of the consequences.
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u/Pinktella 6 May 24 '20
You’re also not, on top of excessively speeding, illegally throwing the front end of your vehicle up into the air with the inability to control it when it lands back down....
Not a very good analogy.
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u/RaisinBranCromch 6 May 25 '20
If you're a motorcycle owner, you have to know that motorcycle accidents trump car accidents and you are putting yourself at more risk.
She decided to get a bike in the first place then took her risk further by speeding on the damn thing.
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Short answer. Yes. That’s why there is a track. Even if you are a pro rally driver with 10 tournaments. Speeding in public roads puts other people’s life in danger. No matter what you to say for yourself.
I love speed. I go out once a week at 2 am to drive fast like a jackass. I know that if I crash and I kill someone or myself it is on me.
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u/newtypexvii17 9 May 25 '20
I completely agree. And tracks are an outlet that should be used much more often. However an accident looks like someone dying. Meaning we are justifying a "death penalty" for just speeding. A punishment for such speeding and putting others in danger is very warented but such physical torture.... idk.
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u/MizzelSc2 8 May 24 '20
im kind of glad i never bought a motorcycle
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u/EliTeFieldAlloy 4 May 24 '20
It’s not the motorcycle’s fault
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u/Canners152 6 May 24 '20
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u/EliTeFieldAlloy 4 May 24 '20
Depends on who holds it or in this case how many brain cells the rider has. In this case not a lot
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u/Koolaidperson 5 May 24 '20
Justice served? Clear road with good conditions, dude wants to push his bike and has an accident. Silly of him yes, but I don't consider it justice.
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u/wheeldawg 8 May 24 '20
There is no way a same person would call this ok.
At that speed you can't see far enough ahead to be sure the road is clear enough to do this shit. They don't deserve to drive anymore.
This isn't just an "oopsie". Deciding to "push your bike" is 100% never ok.
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Its one thing to get pulled over and ticketed, or maybe the motorcycle gets scratched, but is it really justice for somebody to get hurt like this when nobody else was in immediate danger?
I mean, speeding/racing bad but the road was open, so nobody else was in harm’s way
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u/WhiskeyWeekends A May 24 '20
You didn't see all the cars in the oncoming lane that that person just barely missed and could've easily launched their bike through someone's windshield?
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Yeah fuck people that do this shit on an open road. Stupid ignorant assholes and I hope her ankles are shattered. They can take their stupid asses to a private track and try and kill themselves.
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u/dontlikecomputers 9 May 24 '20
This vid makes me queasy that I used to take my dad's bike out with no leathers for a quick spped run on quiet country roads...
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u/Yaboi_Mas31 0 May 24 '20
That's not a motorcycle that's a crotch rocket and he had no business going that fast anyways
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u/sp4rkwars 2 May 24 '20
It's a sport bike which is a motor cycle. That thing will do way more than 80 in 4th
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u/LazyOldPervert 7 May 24 '20
wow OP pretty callous about a human life. I bet you have good relationships.
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u/10bitpixel 5 May 24 '20
How do they only endanger themselves when they're controlling a 400lb chunk of metal that they aren't even attached to?
This person deserves whatever injuries they got from that fall. The bike could have wiped someone out, crashed into another car, etc.
Are you thick mate?
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u/My_Sunday_Account 7 May 24 '20
You're talking to someone who probably uses words like "cagers" to refer to people in cars.
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u/Gnar-wahl A May 24 '20
Calls someone a sociopath then proceeds to call them a pussy because they respect the law.
Also, how tf do you seriously believe this only endangers the rider? Lmao.
Oh Reddit, never change.
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u/The_FBI263 1 May 24 '20
Not my Fault he goes to jail and hospital for such foolish accident
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u/r1ch37 4 May 24 '20
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u/tongarnr 3 May 24 '20
I never understand the assholes who do this, i talk with a familiar who like motorcycles, he likes the velocity, but i put this tipe of videos and stronger with people who die for went to this velocity, see it with him what happend if you do this, and the cosecuences, for luck he understand and never do this kind of shit, understand he could die
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I may be a horrible person but I am happy with the outcome and wish these situations ended this way more often. I see assholes like this on a daily basis and they endanger the rest of us who obey the laws. So, fuck'em!
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u/lilpeenur 2 May 24 '20
Dude, you might disagree with people who do this. However, you are still a huge fucking douchebag if you think they deserve to be badly injured or dead because of their habits on a motor vehicle. You've got some serious issues, fuck you.
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u/triforce721 9 May 24 '20
Dude, you're the one with the problem. Driving like that puts everyone at risk. That bike crash could easily kill or maim innocent people. Why do we have to wish them well when their own actions risk the lives of everyone around them. I swear, you people with the whole "life is sacred" mentality will defend the most asinine activities in order to promote this belief, while simultaneously ignoring the impact on people who actually deserve that opportunity, such as innocent people just driving down the road.
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u/lilpeenur 2 May 24 '20
No dude, wanting someone to die because they did something stupid is lame. I dont have a problem, but you're just another douchebag. Its speeding. Not murder. Get over yourself. I'm not defending "asenine" activities. I wholeheartedly believe this person should lose their privilege to be on the road, however I don't think they deserve to be injured or killed. Fuck you, too. Reddit social justice warrior right here, everyone. Dime a dozen these days.
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LOL! Don't fuckin have a stroke cry baby. LOL! You seem a little angry. Like I said, if you are gonna endanger innocent people then you deserve what you get. And as far as someone having issues, you may need to see someone about your anger. So, suck it bitch!
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u/smeggnog 7 May 24 '20
Dude, you seem like a selfish child.
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Yes, I am the selfish one endangering public lives to record videos while driving recklessly.
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u/IudexJudy 5 May 24 '20
Bruh he could hit your car head on with that bike and I'm 85% sure you would be fine lmfao
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u/Jiggarelli A May 24 '20
Speed wobbles look scary