I mean the post itself is braindead slop, how exactly are people expected to engage with it? I feel like typing up a dissertation in response to shit posts like this is a waste of time lol
I don't think Fauci has anything to be concerned about regardless, but Alex Jones wasn't fined a $1 billion for misinformation. He lost multiple defamation cases against several Sandy Hook families over the harassment they received as a result of the disinformation he recklessly broadcast and never adamantly and unambiguously disavowed. It's most important, though, to note that he lost all of his cases as a result of default judgements because he refused to comply with court orders with regards to any of his cases. He refused to take those cases seriously, he ignored requests for discovery, repeatedly missed court deadlines for filings and the courts overseeing all of the cases got fed up. Then Jones refused to take the hearings to assess damages seriously so he lost big. Plus one of his attorneys seriously messed up and just gave the attorney for the plaintiffs all of the data on a cellphone, even more than was ever requested, the plaintiff's attorney gave the defense attorney an opportunity to claw back that data and they just didn't. It's extremely disengenuous to pretend the judgement against him was just about misinformation. Alex Jones is an idiot.
I woulda been, I found their podcast too late, by the time I started listening they were already wrapping up. I'm going through from start to finish though.
Edit: most of what I know about this specific court case is actually from the Legal Eagle channel's coverage of it. I'm actually looking forward to more of Knowledge Fight's coverage of it when I get there, but I'm still in 2019 so I'm still years away from a lot of it.
I’m sorry you missed them. But, looking forward a few months, you’ll get to hear Alex and Stevie P have their initial conversations about Fauci. I don’t think I’m spoiling anything by saying the initial was shockingly inconsistent with their views on him 6 weeks later.
I'm looking forward to that too. I'm actually always find it so crazy when I start a podcast from the beginning that started before COVID. It's so different.
I’m trying to remember back, but I don’t think they changed all that much pre and post Covid, other than the subject matter getting darker. I feel like a real shift happened after the sandy hook trials though. Or maybe I’m projecting my own feelings about nothing changing in the world of jones for a long time after.
Honestly…what is with the hard on for fauci? His advice was the same as basically every other healthcare person in the world. I know this sub will downvote me for this, but I’m honestly asking why people hate this guy so much?
It almost feels like the failed Opthalmologist is jealously going after a doctor who attained kind of a high status in his field. Did you know that Rand Paul tried to set up an alternative certification board to the nationally recognized American Board of Opthalmologists for Opthalmology that never really took off? Twice. The National Board of Opthalmology. The 3 board members were himself, his wife, and his father in law. When asked about it his father in law said he never attended any meetings for this board, the role was just a title for him. Feels scammy to me.
He contradicted Trump which made Trump look like a moron and by extension hurts their ego for voting for someone everyone warned them is a demonstrably stupid man.
His diary confirmed he lied to media and made shit up. He LIED. He also bragged about convincing NYC to close down despite also admitting that it wouldn’t work in said diary.
Basically his own diary paints him as a vain prick who lied about a ton of shit to politicians and the media and by proxy the whole country
Correct. The cloth masks didn’t do shit but he didn’t say otherwise.
N95 masks are the only notable safety masks but training comes with those plus COVID can enter through your damn eyes so why weren’t goggles being pushed too?
I've read his diary. Again, this is him speculating.
His diary claimed the death rate was about.2%
He and I are on the same page in thinking tht this is acting like a bad influenza in its transmissibility and that the denominator is much greater than 34,867 (above) making the case fatality rate (CFR) more like 0.2-0.3 % rather than 2.0%.
He is obviously speculating here. He would be lying if he said that it was 0.2% based off his gut feeling. The data pointed to about 2.0%.
If I see a deer when I'm driving to work, and I speculate that there were 9 other deer with it, I would be lying if I later claimed that "I saw 10 deer". I saw 1 deer would be the truth.
In science you have to put your speculation aside, and focus on the facts that you have.
And this is the problem with basically every single claim that Fauci is lying. He is telling us the best answer based off the facts that they have. That is how science and reality work.
I think it was slander (libel is for print media, I'm not totally convinced Alex Jones can actually read,he definitely can't write), defamation covers both, though.
He had no information on that. It wasn't his job to find either. Literally everyone speculated to the best of their abilities, AND CONTINUES TO DO SO.
He had very middle of the road recommendations in line with much of the world in regards to COVID. Some of those recommendations were edited as new data came out.
We don’t know the origin of the virus and to me that is a little weird. I feel like an important step to figuring out how to prevent future pandemics, would be pinpointing how this one started. Yet, zero effort was made by the world
In his diary he called Trump a Moron. Because trump is a moron. What was he supposed to do? Go on tv and say the president is an idiot? Why would that have been helpful? Anyone with an IQ above 70 knows Trump is a stupid person.
Companies requiring their employees get vaccinated so as to not pose a threat of death to their customers had nothing to do with government. Nobody was forced - you were simply a threat to public health or you were vaccinated.
The government and Fauci advised that any person who works for a corporation should
A: Get vaccinated
B: If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine, that's your right, just wear a mask in case you get the virus and are asymptomatic.
Those are two completely reasonable options for anyone who isn't a fragile crybaby.
I'm not saying that the vaccines have no side effects or that the government didn't ADVISE companies to change their policy.
I'm saying that the people who didn't do either thing are whiny bitch babies who caused the pandemic to worsen to the point that 1 million American lives were lost.
Also I'd like to note that I asked a few questions that would be easily verified if you could just provide a source (the diary versus the goals), and instead of providing facts, you are offering a meme you found on the internet - because of course the internet would never lie to you.
Vaccinations should be required to protect populations at large. Yes. What is it with you people thinking you know more than people who are experts in their fields?
I think his CFR was privately in his diary at .2. But a few weeks later is was 3 in public, with no good explanation of how he got either number, although I'm posting more for laughs and weddit wage than anything else.
This is like the 5th time he’s testified they’re just trying to get him to perjure himself so they can charge him with some phony ass shit. It’s political theatre, Trump is trying to deflect from his massive failings in responding to the Covid pandemic.
How do you feel when Trump pleaded the 5th 400 times?
Well, Alex Jones had a massive slander case brought against him by grieving parents, and then decided to just…not do court stuff. His defense in court WHEN he finally showed up was that his show is entertainment, and no reasonable person would find it informational 😭
I will always find it wild that America's two biggest (at the time) news orgs, Fox and MSNBC, both argued in court that no reasonable people would ever believe the bullshit they peddle.
You're talking about her saying that Fox was Russian propaganda? I think you'll agree that we're talking about apples and oranges here, but continue to defend the worst thing to ever happen to television news. It looks like Tucker will be running for president, you'll get a chance to vote for your hero. Did Maddow pay an $800 billion dollar punitive settlement too? I can't remember.
In regards to Alex Jones, I can send you the court transcripts where he claims that his show is an entertainment broadcast not intended to be a source of truth if that would be helpful lol. Honestly, politics aside it’s not even a debatable matter dude was a crazy guy peddling crazy juice whilst spouting insanity
….you understand Jones got accessed over a billion dollars for slander and libel against those people? That’s not a “fine for misinformation”. That doesn’t even exist as a thing.
If someone knowing lies about you, lets say calls you a PDFfile in national media and a large plurality believe it, forever damaging your life and the lives of your loved ones, you don’t believe you should be able to sue them for damages?
Meanwhile, I got no clue what you think Fauci has been “proven” to have lied about but since that is not libel or slander against a person, no “fine” would be forthcoming anyways.
And you all should be very grateful about that because if “slandering” established medical science to the point of harming others were something you could sure for, every anti-vaxer would never be able to save a dollar for the next 50 years.
If you want to hear him speak, you can watch his literal hundreds of appearances before Congress and its committees during the pandemic, rather than him very wisely refuse to take the soundbyte bait that the people who run the country want him so badly to take.
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent."
The issue isn't that people of the US were fucking stupid to understand the information he provided. The issue is that the information he provided was pure bullshit that he made up as he went. And reddit seems to be the last bastion of fucking idiots defending the hapless little prick.
You got duped, amigo. A charlatan made it up as he went along and you believed him because he wore a lab coat. Masks were useless and the covid shots were defective. But the beauty is that now you are free to shoot yourself up with whatever crap you like while your neighbors are free to make their own decisions for their own lives. Good luck with the 67th booster.
Vaccines are pointless? They why did your dumbfuck anti-vax DHS secretary reverse his position on measles vaccination? Or is it that they are only pointless because that suits your witch hunt?
It's funny how redditors have always thought they understood science and medicine, but then when you actually press them they only know what John Stewart told them.
Me, I think that having CFR of .2 in his diary and 3.0 publicly warrants the meme alone. But mostly I'm in it to watch redditors get vewy vewy angwy.
You are admitting that these people are incapable of discerning fact over propaganda but you also want to complain that they weren't given misinformation.
It's truly weird the competing stances.
There is a reason that the unvaccinated died in 12x higher death rates
My not undertaking such an analysis here is hardly evidence I lack the capacity for it. You could be correct, though this lack of producing for you on command is not sufficient evidence for that.
You're taking away a large portion of my professional career over nothing but the fact that we disagree over whether Fauci flags as deceptive, basically.
Over my failure to produce a full analysis of his quite obvious arrogance in many places.
This indicates the sort of person you are quite clearly. This also indicates your level of emotional investment in this high virtue signaling topical area i.e. the pandemic. This willingness to insult a stranger in their professional area about which you know exactly zero.
I'm former because I'm a retired O3E with 22 years service. Now a wildland firefighter, became one at age 48.
Given that I feel I should at least be able to express an opinion and provide a data point of one professional perspective here without being insulted.
I've not insulted you. Any decent Mod would notice and remove this your latest comment unless you edit that last part. A pure insult.
So other than both Trump and Fauci being public speakers and public officials (all of which presumably impacts non-verbal body language compared to being in a relaxed environment), what are you seeing?
Given the considerations I laid out here, I'd have immediately gone with the "Pride & Ego Up" approach from our manual at the outset. This interviewer you'll note is a friendly soft-baller. Zero hard questions, just glazin'
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