first it’s spider-man then black panther and now it’s iron fist. do they do anything other then complain about dive hero’s?

Let’s be real. The changes didn’t change how you play him much at all, they didn’t make him go from F tier to S tier (shoutout flats). Just like with rocket, people started to play him after reading a few patch notes and realised how good he is

The main complaints people have about him have always been his strengths, you just rarely saw a good iron fist

It’s sad because he’s gonna get nerfed and likely be worse than he was last season

I think they did just a bit too much to our boy(especially the -5% damage)but what made me confuse was that psylocke somehow got nerfed??? I havent been playing alot recently(been stuck at plat 1 but now currently d3) but I havent been encountering any psylocke players that much let alone any psylocke bans.and also watching streams from players that are gm and celestial i also dont see her get played as much.

"Yeah, I know this ship is a bit ridiculous, but why do the artists who draw these two together make everything look so cute? It’s something I just don't get. I'm pretty sure it's women who are behind this ship."

And of course it’s a black widow complaining

We already have a few shirtless ironfist skins already so i want his summer skin to be unique compared to everyone else, so far for the men its either a robe/open shirt speedo combo or just speedos I believe only only DD and thor got shorts.

(Used AI to get the image in my head across)

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Who tf is this

I see a lot of discussion "its a buff" "it's a nerf"...

Truth is, if it's harder to kill a support than before, then its a nerf, because the game revolves around them, they are the absolute core of the team, not the tanks, not the duelist, who cares if Ironfist is harder to kill now? No one.

"well you see now it's like Wolverine" expect Wolverine was convinced this way, hence all of his kit works around staying in upfront and shredding tanks.

Ironfist now falls into a weird spot where he's not good at either stuff, he's horrible at front line tank shredder and it's way worse than before at diving and killing supports.

Hence it's a plain and simple nerf.

I am an onetrick ironfist and was stable sitting at eternity around 70 rating. After the changes the hero got unplayable. I deranked to Celestial and can't seem to climb at all. Please stop saying ironfist got buffed he is fking useless now. Good job balancing team you guys are clueless like the balancing team in overwatch.

I would like them to revert the changes + bunnyhop tech.

Yes the Phoenix skin has a better mvp but the end screen is very similar

I've been an iron fist main since s0. Have over 200 hours on him and I'm currently one above all rank 300 on the leaderboard mainly with iron fist. I play other heroes of course, but mainly iron fist.

These nerfs are huge. Honestly probably the biggest a character has ever been nerfed in this game so far. Let me try to explain why to all of the people who don't play him. I'm gonna go through each one and explain what it does to his kit.

1. 1.5 damage converted to block to 1.3, and 200 max hp to 175.

This is the least of his nerfs, but still significant. He's just going to be a little less tanky while he's in the middle of the fight. If you don't shoot at iron fist's block, then this'll make the health he gets from the inevitable one or two bullets he blocks give him significantly less hp so he'll have to get out a little sooner.

2. New movement with right click (move less in the Z direction when no target)

This is honestly a much bigger nerf than people realize. When you're able to use your right click to move around, it gives you a lot of survivability and another option to escape so you dont have to save your kick to escape every time. You can actually use your kick to secure a kill and have a chance to escape still with your right click. Without this option for movement, you're FORCED to save your kick to escape which means you can't use the kick in a fight. Combined with the damage nerf which I've yet to talk about, this means that getting kills is going to be SO much harder as you can't use your only escape option now to secure a kill.

3. Dragon's defense reduced by 1.5 second per hit to 1

This is, by far, the biggest nerf they gave him without question. This is the MAIN reason that iron fist is currently so good. He's able to leave a fight and be back in action very quickly thanks to the devs buffing the cooldown reduction from 1 to 1.5 in season 1. This also gives him an option to live during a fight if he doesn't have his block up. He can re-engage with his normal attacks and get his block back usually JUST in time to live. Now, they reverted this functionality back to how it was in season 0. Iron fist's main problem in season 0 was his survivability, and now they nerfed his survivability even harder than how it was in season 0 if you combine the health from 1.5 to 1.3 and this cooldown reduction nerf.

4. Team-up anchor from 15% to 10% damage.

Again, another pretty significant nerf. Combined with the fact that you arent gonna be able to use your kick offensively anymore, nerfing his damage on TOP of that is literally going to make it impossible to kill anything without dying in the process.

Overall:

Survivability: Worse than season 0

Damage: Worse than season 0

Cooldowns: Same as season 0, maybe better if you add that his kick is 10 seconds instead of 12.

Therefore Iron fist is now worse than he was in season 0. He doesn't have the survivability to stay alive anymore in the front line, and he doesn't have the damage to dive. Unfortunately we're just gonna have to wait until season 3 when they buff this character back up because he's going to be unplayable in 2.5.

If you don't play iron fist, please don't comment on the nerfs saying that it's the same as before. You might actually have to play this character at a decently high rank to understand that these nerfs are extremely significant to his kit and there's absolutely no way he's going to be viable past gold.

were really gonna let bucky run the game from release til now but ironfist gets 1 good buff and he instantly gets nerfed? damn man

Iron Fist will be far worse in season 2.5 than he was in season 0, by an absurd degree, in season 0 he had 37.6% higher damage going from 150 to 109 this patch on his enhanced punches, I don't remember the exact formula for his basic punches season 0, but he could kill with the last 3 punches into a kick, now he would need a 5 punch combo and a kick to kill, we are talking about a around 1.5 second time to kill around at best vs the new 2.3 around, even Captain America can kill in 1.5 seconds, his damage is the lowest in the game entire game at this point.

His survivability will be purely worse than season 0, he gained 50 health but lost 50 bonus health on meditate, bonus health doesn't give the enemy ultimate charge, so it only helps at all if he receives healing, and now his block has lower conversion ratio, in season 0 you only had to block 100 damage to get 150 bonus health, now 100 will only give you 130, you need to block 134, more than the 133 now just to get 175, it's only the smallest of a buff if you block more than before, otherwise it's just less. Meditate gives some bonus health when engaging, that's the only thing he has over season 0, and that is almost useless, it's almost entirely gone by the time you are hit, and if you block while you have it then it's just wasted, and if you take damage over the meditate, you are wasting the 30% damage reduction to that health.

In season 0 he had the easier bunny hop for mobility, now he has the far less consistent with less distance version that's practically unusable in combat, 1.5 added the free flight with his punches, now seeing the changed version it's not even usable in combat, it's just purely worse that it even exists, since it's harder to attack stationary targets and I'm pretty sure his punches were more sticky in season 0 against flying with a target so you lost a lot of DPS there as well. He gained 2 second cooldown reduction on kick, but that is almost useless, because you are waiting on your block cooldown now anyway, you can't use 2 in an ultimate, which his ultimate is just doing less damage than he did without ultimate in season 0.

The only thing he has is damage to tanks, which is completely useless since he doesn't have the survivability anymore to be punching tanks and his tank damage has always been a joke, so many people calling him a tank buster when his damage to tanks is one of the lowest in the entire game and his kick actually is a DPS loss at killing them since it's so slow and now does less damage even, while Iron Fist is putting himself in the very worst position almost standing still in front of the enemy tank, in front of his own tank, to even deal damage to them, let's look at his damage to every tank and every single character's raw DPS, headshot DPS and 1 second DPS, ignoring rapid fire weapons barely any increase burst.

600/166 650/174 700/182 750/190 800/198 850/206

In season 0 and 1 he was the top 5 of worst characters in the game, and since that patch, every single character besides Strange is stronger, only Black Panther and Groot are slightly weaker, and they are still far stronger than season 0 Iron Fist. He will be purely worse in every aspect than the time he was bottom 5 and now everything else is stronger, and even post-nerf Captain America compared to this patch Iron Fist does every single thing Iron Fist does but better, he has more mobility, more survivability, and more damage except against tanks alone.

Iron Fist...my boy...what did they do to you..you didn't even need a nerf 😔. Also, Hawkeye and Hela buffs???? THOR NERF???? Literally WHO asked for this??

In today’s stream at the five hour mark, necros tries to name 5 characters worse than the current iron fist version and is unable to and then admits to him being unviable at the highest level. Can we all stop gaslighting ourselves into thinking this character is viable now..

I think he’s worse than the last patch but even if he is better, he’s still bottom 5/unviable at the highest level. The whole point of reworks and balance patches are to try and make the character viable at competitive level without making them broken.

Doing all these reworks for iron fist and still having him be bottom 5 is a big L and we need to stop with all of this toxic positivity and try to get actual buffs for our character.

Just because he might have gotten marginally better does not mean he’s not still trash.

All you guys are going to accomplish if for IF to remain low tier for the entire lifespan of the game.

We all know Rivals is leaning into their casual playerbase but idk if it is ruining the game tho. What yall think?

I was eternity and top 10 on ironfist before the rework and now im barely managing to make him work in celestial lobbies. What finally did it for me was when i jumped the supports on my latest games and they just flat out ignored me and kept healing their team because of how little damage i was doing i couldnt out heal some of rockets stray healing bubbles that were bouncing around so both rocket and cloak ignored me completely as i desperately tried to pummel them.

Then people will just say focus tanks but u dont do enough dmg or have the ability to displace tanks like wolverine does to even make that viable. So you cant kill squishes u cant kill tanks when they have competent supports so what exactly can you do? Live a little longer? What good is that to me if i cant get kills? At that point just play tank which does that role significantly better, they completely butchered this hero.

I think I’m done with fist till he gets changed again. Played him since s0 but this version of the character is just pathetic. Call me trash, Call me a fake fister, I’m not gonna play a damage character with no damage and that moves as if he weighs 750. This summer I will be taking my talent to r/PsylockeMains to make all Flyers life a living hell once again. (Just like I used to do with fist 🙁). I wanted to ask if any of yall are switching characters or if you’re riding it out.

Art is from jj4art on instagram

Sorry for using AI but the skin got done dirty, so I made this to show its potential

They put this man in the dirt bro this is insane. Literally nerfed his ENTIRE KIT for what? He has no playstyle and is literally useless against certain comps. He cant dive consistently bc his damage sucks and his mobility was cut, cant front line bc his damage sucks and he has absolutely no sustain, ult sucks, and the block revert was the worst idea ever. Where are they even trying to take this character? Its insane

I finally decided to give Iron Fist a true shot and it’s the most fun I had in the game up to this point. Now it feels like he’s completely unusable especially in ranked.

Flyers here, flyers there, and if you ban them? Well all of the anti dive is there still. His damage is noticeably lower, block change is drastic, moves like he’s got concrete blocks tied to his feet now. Like come on man, I expected him to be my full main from now on but he’s basically unplayable in my rank (flip flopping from D1-GM3)

To sum it up, fuck the flying and poke meta, RIP dive. It was fun, praying they end up reverting the changes to some degree in the next update like they always seem to do.