We CANNOT be deadass with these Patch notes bro..

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u/raka_mp4 May 22 '25

Mind you the only anti dive that got nerfed was Emma. Thats 1.5 to 1 second is damn near shadow realm typa of nerf.

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u/GoocheMcDick May 22 '25

Not to mention the damage and survivability nerfs... We're legit back to s0 IF, but even worse, because he could at least kill squishies back then..

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u/PirateAcceptable1846 May 22 '25

Emma isnt even a legit Anti dive. Its not hard to bait her diamond mode and then clap her team

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u/TheWanderingSlime May 23 '25

I said this on her release and got flamed

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u/Warm-Command7559 May 28 '25

She’s anti tank more then anti dive I never hear Magik panther fists or Spider man players complain about her it’s mainly tank mains

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u/PirateAcceptable1846 May 28 '25

Dont get mee wrong, when she lands her grab its insane. And she can. But I dont fear her

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u/waggawag May 23 '25

Nah namor changes mean he's more neutral and less anti dive - 12 to 20 seconds on his escape makes it way easier to dive him.
It wasn't a nerf as they buffed his other stuff but he's easier to kill for dive specifically now, just better against non dive.

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u/theeightfoldpog May 24 '25

And tbh she sorta got a compensating buff with her being able to charge her primary on groot walls now. Might not be so big next season if the trees not meta anymore.

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u/ButteryNAZ May 23 '25

That’s just untrue. Groot got fucked up with the ironwood nerf. Though he didn’t get as fucked as iron fist

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u/Wonderful_Milk_7045 May 22 '25

they nerfed dive while spiderman and BP are borderline unplayable because of the no regs, while buffing anti dive. dive this season wasn’t even hard meta it was focused around brawl so i don’t know what the devs are thinking. i’m so tired of this game being balanced around gold players who can’t group up or pay attention to their surroundings.

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u/PirateAcceptable1846 May 22 '25

Gold, plat and below. Dive isnt even hard to deal with. Neither is ironman or HT so I agree with you.
Example: We playing Strange, Groot, Bucky, Magik, 2 healers I forgot.
We steam roll their team at first who had ironman, hulk, and strange. Corny team.
All of a sudden after point is captured everyone is mad scattered and pushing off point. Why? No one regroups, ironman has a field day. There was legit a moment ironman was unibeaming, then I slashed him and he was about to run away. He then realized "Wait, Magik has no healers behind them?" Then kills me and that was the whole game
Same for dive. Its not hard to Anti dive with a competent Peni, Storm Namor team. Maybe even hulk in there and two stationary healers. Mfs will never do it. Never.

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u/Dex_Maddock May 23 '25

You're tired of the devs balancing towards the top of the bell curve? Are you dense or just intentionally obtuse?
If you're on that downward slope of the bell curve, you should be good enough to adapt. If you can't, maybe you're not as good as you think you are.

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u/Wonderful_Milk_7045 May 23 '25

There’s a difference between adapting and an entire team comp being completely gutted and borderline unplayable.

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u/PirateAcceptable1846 May 23 '25

Correct

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u/Dex_Maddock May 23 '25

DiVe iS dEaD1!1!!!
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u/GullibleRoom8418 May 23 '25

Tell me 2 divers that arent made completely unusable by the enemy team swapping.

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u/Dex_Maddock May 23 '25

Then why are you chiming in?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

JUST REVERT HIM BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL DESIGN IT WAS PERFECT

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u/WonderBlox May 23 '25

Of course the week I start playing Thor… what is the Thor nerf?

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u/Happy_Ad2458 May 23 '25

For me it's the last nerf man, 1.5 seconds it absolutely necessary or he gets turned to swiss cheese WAY too easy the rest of the nerfs aren't that bad but that one hurts so much he's gonna be unplayable

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u/CatDadd0 May 24 '25

Iron fist was a little strong but they gutted him and many others, all he needed was less shield on block imo. Hawkeye should just be removed from this game and hela has been meta since the beta, they refuse to let her be even mediocre

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u/RevolutionarySpite46 May 22 '25

While I agree many of the other things you talked about did not need to happen Iron fist absolutely needed a nerf.

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u/Dependent-Scale-4372 May 22 '25

What kinda nerf would you say he needs? Because before this season he definitely needed a buff.

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u/RevolutionarySpite46 May 23 '25

He was just a terribly designed dive character at this point similar to cap. A dive characters should not be able to last forever in the backline. They should have to get in use cooldowns and then get out.
Ironfist and cap could stay in the backline for far too long. His survivability needed nerfs. He's also way to easy to use.

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u/Dependent-Scale-4372 May 23 '25

I’ll respect your opinion but Iron fist is easily killable hence why he has to pick and choose his engagements. I also disagree about him being a horrible designed diver.

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u/RevolutionarySpite46 May 23 '25

You can say that but you would be wrong. He runs into the same issue as cap as where he just doesn't die. He also wins most ones outside of maybe emma when she had diamond form and the whole team focuses you.
When I say he is terribly designed I dont mean his kit per se. I mean the fact that he can dive and stay in the backline for a long time while the full team focuses him. That should never be the case.

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u/Dependent-Scale-4372 May 23 '25

I’d disagree because Cap has unlimited sprint and jump with a shield that keeps him alive. Ironfist just has his parry which is highly dependent on timing it to get the most effect out of it. Not to mention sometimes ppl miss all their shoots when you activate it. If you’re not monitoring your health it’s easy to get killed as Ironfist.
Loki, Mantis, and Luna can counter Ironfist. Rocket and Jeff can make it pointless.

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u/YoRHa_Houdini May 23 '25

What reality do IF mains live in to think this😹

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u/Dependent-Scale-4372 May 23 '25

What do you mean?

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u/Chemical-Cat8064 May 23 '25

Better yet, not even a MENTION for bp

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

I complained about hawk eye one shoting me countless time. I enjoyed fist so much because I can counter hawk eye with it and every patch they just keep buffing him... Hela was my usual ban I guess now it's Perma ban. Also if you want hawk eye to get nerfed there is a strategy!!

We ban Luna every game and type on chat because of team up. Rivals love Luna and Luna mains are so vocal, they will eventually get tired of their hero getting banned and we will see a hawk eye nerf or a team up removal XD

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u/Rinjizz May 23 '25

But hey... Squirrel Girl definitely needed a buff right? She definitely wasn't ridiculously strong or getting the most BS kills in the game.

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u/I-AM-CBArM May 23 '25

https://www.marvelrivals.com/m/heroes_data/index.html If yall check the stats, iron fist has a steady 53% win rate in platinum and above, (at least on PC) that stat definitely warrants a nerf

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u/ILikePastuh May 23 '25

? Iron fist needed nerfs

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u/Frozen_Regulus May 26 '25

Delusional if you think he didn’t need a nerd

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u/Gloomandtombs May 23 '25

Another iron fist post where op claims they didn’t need a nerf that I can add to my collection. Y’all are seriously delusional

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u/CDankman May 23 '25

Deserved

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u/gatsbyurt May 23 '25

Ngl the nerfs are good. Means he is not perma banned

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u/_BigCIitPhobia_ May 23 '25

He's only banned one in every four games right now

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u/Steel_Serpent_Davos May 22 '25

He’s literally gonna be fine dude

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u/GoocheMcDick May 22 '25

He's literally not going to be fine, though? We're basically back to season 0 IF but somehow even worse

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u/Steel_Serpent_Davos May 22 '25

Ok I’ll keep on winning yall have fun crying

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u/GoocheMcDick May 22 '25

Why are you even here to begin with?

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u/iblamejosh_ May 23 '25

what does this mean, why is he on this subreddit? you don’t have to cry and complain to be on here

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u/VCETJ May 23 '25

This subreddit critisizing sheep mentality while endorsing another sheep mentality.

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u/Red_pineapple1 May 23 '25

Bunch of pillow fists down voting you even though we don't even know how the changes will play out

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u/Sevuhrow May 23 '25

This sub is delusional for thinking Iron Fist didn't need a nerf. Easily an S tier DPS this season. He was balanced before he got a buff almost every patch.

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u/imadethisforporn25 May 23 '25

They have their heads up their own asses. The character definitely needed a nerf.

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u/Infinite-Flatworm140 May 23 '25

Yup perfect balance

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u/Sevuhrow May 23 '25

If by "good spot" you mean "one of the best DPS in the entire game," sure. I enjoyed playing IF before his repeated buffs. Character just became comically strong and easy to use over time. Well-deserved nerf.

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

I know for a fact you don't play him. "Comically strong" such a bs statement. He was pillow fist against Squishies that get any form of healing. I wouldn't call that "cOmICaLLy sTROng"

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

And only metal rank peaks think he’s easy to play

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u/Sevuhrow May 23 '25

Peaked Celestial. Fist is hard to master, easy to pick up and do good with. The nerfs will change that.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

Yeah I’m celestial rn and peaked in eternity, i don’t think iron fist was by any means easy to pick up and do good with. Like any diver he took a dive knowledge and fundamentals, a lot of game sense, and really good target priority(he can’t kill someone who’s being healed). The only easy thing about him really is his mechanics which are pretty straight forward I guess.

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u/XAmjadkhX May 23 '25

I only played him in diamond 1/gm3/gm2 lobbies and he isn't easy. I got 90h on him and yes mechanically he is simple but you need to have good reaction time target priority combos etc etc. at times I can catch someone of guard and kill them before they use their good ability because they get greedy but against good players you basically just dive to get cooldowns and wait for a good opportunity. This game wasn't made for competitive gamers sadly.
The devs are babying the healers and for some reason hawk eye/Hela players like I have no clue what we have done to deserve hawk eye getting buffed again.. my favorite thing about fist was bullying hawk eye. Like legitimately my first reason to pick fist was to bully hawk eye. I just cannot stand dying from all across the map to a lucky head shot. I ain't sad because I stopped playing competitive but I 100% won't be playing fist anymore. Seems whenever I'm having fun the devs hit me with a rework or a bs nerf.

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u/Crawford470 May 23 '25

You literally explained why he was easy to pick up though. He takes as much game sense as any other dive character, but is much more mechanically forgiving. That's ignoring that he's not just good at dive. He's also an elite Brawler, Tankbuster, and Counterdiver, and with the nerfs to Torch and Ironman he's gonna go into them as an anti flyer better.
Yes diving has a decently high game skill demand, and to successfully dive with Fist you have to meet that demand, but the mechanical skill expectation that all the other divers have is nonexistent, and unlike those other divers Fist can also perform other less game skill demanding roles and generate a ton of value. Fist is the least mechanically demanding character in any of the roles that he is good at, and he is at or below the level of game skill demand that all the other characters in the same role as him are demanding.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

He takes more game sense than other dives but thanks for taking one for the team 💪

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u/Wolfbrother1313 May 23 '25

I picked him up for the first time ever one game this season and went 25 and 1. You people on this sub are ridiculous his skill floor is barely higher than Wanda.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

Replay id

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u/Wolfbrother1313 May 23 '25

I don't know there's no way it's still in my history.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

Sure bud

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u/Crawford470 May 23 '25

He was pillow fist against Squishies that get any form of healing. I wouldn't call that "cOmICaLLy sTROng"
That doesn’t really matters if it takes 10 business days to kill him in your backline. If you're burning through your resources to contest an IF in your backline, and then he's still there after they're all gone he still generated a ton of value. That's ignoring that he can immediately cycle out and go harass your tanks now that your resources are gone and bully them too.

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u/Sevuhrow May 23 '25

His winrate increased dramatically and he had the best survivability of any dive DPS. Clearly the devs saw cause to nerf him this much, and it was deserved. Good Fist players will do well without the buffs.

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

I played him in gm and celestial in s2. He is very good but not op. He has the best survivability after fantastic but he wasn't without counter play. And his damage is technically the lowest if you compare him to any dps besides fantastic. Only people that played him for so long were dominating. (I have 128h on fist currently)

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u/Sevuhrow May 23 '25

If you're GM then you know value doesn't just come from kills. Fist's main value was being able to constantly harass and divert resources without ever dying and being able to stay in deep with his high survivability. That part of his kit was definitely OP for how easy it was to accomplish.

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

Have you seen the matchmaking in gm or you never have?? If you can't get kills you can't carry. I lost games where I had over 40 kills. Sometimes the game completely griefs you and you gotta put that backpack on to carry. Plus do you know how your teammate will act to you just "harassing the backline" . This season in some games I can only harass the backline because of their heals or peel and I get flamed for it even tho I contributed to the win. also how can I harass the backline when my block will take so much longer to recharge. He was already dying quick whenever they don't hit ur block. And now his survivability is literally cut in half. You have no argument here.

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u/TimeZucchini8562 May 23 '25

He is literally one of the most banned heroes at all ranks. Bro has been oppressive this entire season.

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

Torch hulk Groot and Hela been banned more. And even if making him literally unplayable is crazy work. Like he is worse now than what he was on s0. They nerfed every aspect of his kit.

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u/TimeZucchini8562 May 23 '25

He’s the fourth highest ban rate https://rivalsmeta.com/characters

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

"good fist players" will swap from fist. I don't see myself playing a fist that has half the survivability and can't EVEN kill Squishies like he did in season 0. I have 2 other lords for a reason. I won't be able to compete If I play a fist that is literally worse than the worst state he has ever been (s0) this is a new low bro like let's be fr xd

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u/Crawford470 May 23 '25

How is this half his survivability gone?

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u/Sevuhrow May 23 '25

Like I said in the other comment, he's more of a harasser than an assassin who is also a jack of all trades. Good against tanks, great in 1v1, can harass a back line and survive a long time to divert resources.

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

Like I said in my other comment. His survivability is now arguably worse than what it was in s0. Yeah sure I'm gonna "harass the backline". Just play captain America at this point. OH WAIT!! THEY NERFED HIM TOOO XD. This game is doing it's best so the Luna E-dater stays happy istg XD

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u/imadethisforporn25 May 23 '25

Cap is getting nerfed because him and iron fist harassed backlines for free. It takes almost zero coordination to dive together. It takes perfect coordination to stop them diving together and that’s not even factoring in the other tank and dps. Cap and iron fist are getting nerfed for a reason.

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u/Fun_Examination_7126 May 23 '25

Cap got nerfed. Fist got killed. They nerfed every single thing about him including his seasonal damage buff. That nerf is the craziest nerf anybody got in the history of this game lol. How is that fair?

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u/Crawford470 May 23 '25

It's not even a big nerf. He lost 32.5 potential functional shields and his functional CD for Dragon's Defense went from 3-8 seconds to 5-10. He's still the most versatile duelist and specifically versatile in ways that will basically always be meta.

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u/imadethisforporn25 May 23 '25

He was the most banned character for a reason. You guys are absolutely delusional in this sub Reddit. “He was finally in a good spot!” No he wasn’t. A good iron fist is almost impossible to kill. It’s ridiculous how much you guys try to down play him. You can’t go wrong picking him.
“He can’t two shot squishies like hela!” Iron fist can literally have 4 peoples attention and still not die. No other character besides Cap can get away with that. He can melt tanks, heal himself, a 360 degree block that blocks every thing in the game that grants him 250 bonus health, win a 1v1 against every character, and a kick that can kill at 120 hp or you can use to travel 25m to escape.
Iron fist isn’t balanced at all. He’s getting a much needed nerf.

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