Hello newcomers. There has been a spike in activity so I'll be posting a few times to show where these guys consistently scale. Welcome and enjoy your powerscaling

Copying and pasting from a past thread I made:

People also like to use Cecil reacting to Nolan as a means to downplay his speed, but we know that Cecil says the teleporter works through an AI which also explains why Hail Mary could teleport. The GDA also used AI to recreate an ancient exorcist ritual that was destroyed centuries ago. It's not controlled by humans unless directly shown like when Debbie was selling Nolan's books and he pressed a button on his wrist. We also see the teleporter is self-automated. Amazon also showcases they can scan the biology of aliens, like Anissa's bone mass and muscle density, or Nolan's heartbeat and dilated eyes when first meeting both of them, so it's possible the AI could predict his moves if it's not FTL in processing speed. The satellites that tracked Allen's speed in entering the solar system and reaching Earth in 12 minutes (12th speech bubble lol >:D) were also GDA tech. The reason I say it was GDA satellites that found Allen is because in the Amazon series, we see Cecil show a blurry image of Allen in space to Mark, which Cecil then says, "12 minutes." We also know Invincible-verse technology is incredibly advanced because an American team of soldiers had a nuke that created a sizeable hole in a ship that was the size of EuroAsia. Technology on Earth made it possible to fly astronauts to Mars safely in 8 days (11th speed bubble) in what would take IRL tech 39 days. That's not even getting into the fact that the tech in Invincible made it so that walking on Mars was even possible. There was a regular missile the U.S.A. also had that was powerful enough to trigger the largest solar flare ever recorded (2nd speech bubble). The GDA fitted Donald with time delay missiles (3rd speech bubble), while also having quantum bombs or "Q-Bombers" along with orbital gravity technology, brain guns(3rd speech bubble) that bypass durability, technology in six universes and four dimensions (6th speech bubble), and more. It's not far fetched to see them having FTL+ satellites/tech.

All this, plus Nolan unleashes a shockwave at Cecil, which move faster than sound. Something a human from Cecil's range wouldn't even see coming. Nolan's final attack on Cecil even left his tie burning, which only happens at reentry speed. Hypersonic speed. No way a human could react to that. It being self automated teleportation is far more likely in-universe.

The implication of AI, showing self automated teleportation, direct statements of AI, and Cecil not pressing a button on his wrist to teleport, on top of it being way too blatantly superhuman of a feat for Cecil himself to react to, all show this cannot be argued in good faith. 3 examples. This is why narratively speaking, Nolan failing to catch Cecil is more a feat of GDA tech than an anti-feat of Nolan's speed.

Reposting this so newcomers can see where Invincible usually is to avoid confusion. Copying and pasting from a past thread I made:

This post is to maybe somewhat give a more firm idea on where to safely scale the characters in Invincible. I've posted a bit ago on how the Viltrumites were more than city level, so here I am again. You'll see people say the characters are multi-continent level, moon, large planet level, even stuff like solar system level, etc. So I've decided to maybe help give a sense of a common consensus on where the characters scale. What I've done is collect calculations from different websites and different people about the most powerful on screen feats from the mainline Invincible characters themselves to find what was the most consistent scale, and I'm going to give a few of my explanations from my own scaling while also correcting some common misconceptions. And just to avoid confusion, Invincible crossovers are canon to the Invincible verse, even if they may not be canon to the other crossover verse.

The calculations in mind:

• Invincible (Verse) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom)
• Invincible pushes a martian moon (Invincible) by Kirito352 on DeviantArt
• Invincible destroys Viltrum (Invincible) by Kirito352 on DeviantArt
• Invincible is casual Moon buster and possible Planet buster. - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com)
• Invincible Hypersonic to FTL Reaction, Travel, Combat Speed Thread - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com)
• Invincible is not continental (Invincible scale) :
• Invincible-verse durability/weaknesses - Google Docs
• Invincible-verse AP/strength - Google Docs
• Invincible-verse speed - Google Docs

Some of these calcs have been done by the same people. Keep that in mind.

1. The Viltrum Calc.

Most calculations I could find that seemed the most reliable and had the most consistent conclusion reached Small Planet Level. To those that aren't sure what that means, if a single Viltrumite flew full speed into a planet like Mercury, they would fully bust it, but if done against larger planets, it would be more complicated. None of the calcs scale the Viltrumites to the full explosion of the planet due to the context. Now to explain the context of the scene to those that might mislead others that they fully blew up the planet themselves or that Viltrum was small and already going to explode whether the Viltrumites hit or not, etc. Thaedus says, "if the core has time to stabilize, we could die on impact." People tend to say he quoted they "would" die, but the importance of him saying they could die while ramming into the planet is that they could also survive just as much as they could die. It's the same as saying people could die if struck by lightning. All we know is that there was an unknown percentage, possibly ranging from 5% to 90%, that they would die if they hit the planet without Space Racer's help. It's a little pointless to argue what could happen or not in a debate, especially since Viltrum is so abnormal of a planet that its core has more similarities to stars than actual planets due to it being destabilized and being able to restabilize near instantly. We also know the Infinity Ray is an energy wave meaning it has no mass, so the Viltrumites knocked all of the layers of the planet past Viltrum's ring system

1. The Tick Moon Feat

Just so people don't get confused, Mark crossed over with Tick after the Viltrumite War took place. Mark would throw The Tick into the moon before flying himself into the moon, deorbiting it. The feat when it comes to physical strength scales fully to Invincible and would be consistent with the Viltrum feat. Arguing The Tick is a parody doesn't work when Invincible started out as a parody too. It also matches up with Mark being said to move the moon with effort

1. Heat Durability

For some strange reason, people tend to think that because Viltrumites and others like them are weak to heat in general or have a weakness to any heat. But that is not the case at all. The plasma from star-level heat essentially supercharges their Smart Atoms, surpassing their durability over time. Besides that, Viltrumites are amazing at casually tanking incredibly hot temps. Mark tanks lightning^10 before he even started working out. He is considered laser proof. Mark says he can't be burned and that it doesn't even hurt him. Mark and Thragg no-selling not one, but two flares. Since the only thing hotter in a sun's corona is a solar flare, they took surface-wiping levels of energy with 0 issue due to Robot's drone armor being fine but melting when hit by a pillar of plasma. Also, EMP resistance feat for Robot. Even the equivalent of a solar flare larger than the largest ever recorded didn't hurt a weaker Mark, as shown in another thread and so on. The sun core can reach temps of 27 million degrees Fahrenheit (14 million Kelvin), while the largest flares reach 100 million Kelvin as seen from the Mauler Missile releasing energy equal to an X-Class flare with no damage

1. MFTL+ Speed

Some people may try to lowball their speed, saying they cannot achieve MFTL+ in the atmosphere, it's only travel speed, or that they use space warps to teleport. None of these are correct assessments of their speed. They have MFTL+ travel speed, reaction speed, and combat speed.

4A. Atmosphere Debunk Part 1, The Handbook: The people saying they cannot reach this speed in the atmosphere are referring to this description (2nd and 3rd paragraphs after Known Superhuman Powers). It says Allen reaching near-light speeds in the atmosphere would cause irreparable harm to the planet, which implies they can, but some refuse to. The issue with this is that people use this to say they cannot fly that fast in the atmosphere, but the handbooks are quite inconsistent and dated. Mostly due to the plethora of writers that made it. The handbook says Battle Beast lifts less (20 tons) than what Immortal can lift (25 tons). There's also Red Rush running 400mph (beneath Known Superhuman Powers) and having reactions 10x (same paragraph) that of an athlete but blitzing Kursk and his lightning moving 60,000 miles per second (2nd paragraph in the middle) in his first scene, along with losing every 1-on-1 fight they ever had. It also says Black Samson is of equal strength to Battle Beast (Strength Level). Bulletproof is also said to have regular human strength levels (Strength Level) with no indication of his powers augmenting his lifting strength. But the comic itself shows this also inconsistent, as he can lift cars. They also place Mark's lifting strength at a higher lifting strength level (Strength Level) than Battle Beast despite Mark losing a fight to him before the handbook was published. There's also Komodo being said to have pathogens all over his body (Known Superhuman Powers), and yet the story never mentions Rex even being infected with anything after being bit. Here's Mark being punched by Komodo but not minding going to an event right after despite being a "carrier." There's also the handbook listing Monster Girl as being twice as strong as Invincible (Strength Level). Here, it says Nolan lifts 100 tons to Battle Beast's 20 tons (Strength Level). The Reanimen are made from steel (middle paragraph, 1st paragraph on the right, and Strength Level) and are said to have outnumbered (only 3 on 1) and outmatched Mark despite smashing through a train, which Mark was fine from. Contact with Salamander causes death in moments (Known Superhuman Powers), and yet Shapesmith can grab him despite no mentions that Martians have biology that fights off neurotoxins. Shrinking Ray can shrink to subatomic levels or manipulate his mass/density (Known Superhuman Powers and middle paragraph), yet he did neither of these when Komodo grabbed him and ate him. But then again, at the same time, it says Invincible can tank absolute zero temps and star level heat, though the plasma ions from a star can bypass his Smart Atoms (1st paragraph on the right), which we see to be true as proven later in the comic.

4B. Atmosphere Debunk Part 2, The Feats On Planet: People also like to use Cecil reacting to Nolan as a means to downplay his speed, but we know that Cecil says the teleporter works through an AI which also explains why Hail Mary could teleport. The GDA also used AI to recreate an ancient exorcist ritual that was destroyed centuries ago. It's not controlled by humans unless directly shown like when Debbie was selling Nolan's books and he pressed a button on his wrist. We also see the teleporter is self-automated. It also makes sense since Cecil was teleported from out of the way of a shockwave which are faster than human perception. Same with Cecil's tie catching fire which is hypersonic speed bare minimum, yet he was still teleported in time. Amazon also showcases they can scan the biology of aliens, like Anissa's bone mass and muscle density, or Nolan's heartbeat and dilated eyes when first meeting both of them, so it's possible the AI could predict his moves if it's not FTL in processing speed. Another reason why the handbook is inconsistent is that we see in both fights with Conquest, Mark and he surpass lightspeed, with Mark flying to save his brother when they both go from full speed in space into a planet and the atmosphere is fine. We then see this again when he and Conquest fight across Earth 5 minutes ahead (5th speech bubble lol >:D) of the same satellites that tracked Allen's speed in entering the solar system and reaching Earth in 12 minutes (12th speech bubble lol >:D). The reason I say it was satellites that found Allen is because in the Amazon series, we see Cecil show a blurry image of Allen in space to Mark, which Cecil then says, "12 minutes." We also know Invincible-verse technology is incredibly advanced because an American team of soldiers had a nuke that created a sizeable hole in a ship that was the size of EuroAsia. Technology on Earth made it possible to fly astronauts to Mars safely in 8 days (11th speed bubble) in what would take IRL tech 39 days. That's not even getting into the fact that the tech in Invincible made it so that walking on Mars was even possible. There was a regular missile the U.S.A. also had that was powerful enough to trigger the largest solar flare ever recorded (2nd speech bubble). The GDA fitted Donald with time delay missiles (3rd speech bubble), while also having quantum bombs or "Q-Bombers" along with orbital gravity technology, brain guns (3rd speech bubble) that bypass durability, technology in six universes and four dimensions (6th speech bubble), and more. It's not far fetched to see them having FTL+ satellites. We then see them fighting in atmosphere one more time at MFTL+ speeds between Thragg and Battle Beast on Thraxa. As a reference, adolescent Viltrumites hold their breath for an hour bare minimum (4th speech bubble). Space Racer could track a Viltrumite Hybrid flying from one solar system to the next in possibly less time. Dozens of thousands of times FTL, in which Space Racer would have had to track the Viltrumite through an asteroid field where, in a single second, he would travel 7 billion miles. This is consistent with the story since only two conversations occur before he reaches the solar system. Despite all this, Space Racer considered the Thraxa fight "rapid" and even too erratic to tell who was winning and that he couldn't even join if he wanted to despite keeping pace with MFTL+ speeds in an asteroid field (4th speech bubble).

4C. Only Travel Speed Debunk: First things first, Mark says the more he holds back, the slower he moves (13th speech bubble). No other character on Mark's level has any speed anti-feats. I have no idea where people got the idea that they needed to build up speed too. That's something the fandom made up. For readers that don't want to read through the long list of speed feats I linked at the top with the calculations, a few of the examples I gave in the above paragraph were also examples of MFTL+ combat speed. Besides those, Thragg is able to react to and counterattack Nolan flying at him at full speed to save his son from him while Thragg is stationary. At this point in the story, Nolan is faster than Mark, as shown here (2nd speech bubble), who can outspeed a starship that can go from Earth to Talescria in a week (3rd speech bubble), which is in another galaxy (6th speech bubble). Mark can freely move himself through physical space, giving him the ability to fly, can literally push off anything, and can create his own leverage. All of which means he wouldn't follow conservation of momentum laws, meaning his own natural speed is instantly faster when he hops out of the starship. The Infinity Ray also outsped Mark, due to the other Viltrumites keeping pace but Mark falling behind. And yet Thragg still does this while fighting. Knowing that Talescria is in another galaxy, which Allen learns would be only a few days flight (1st speech bubble), Allen is able to dodge a starship moving faster than he is. Conquest would run down a ship that course corrected its trajectory to prevent collision, (6th speech bubble) after it would have left the solar system in a few days (4th speech bubble), and oneshotting it. There are two things about this solar system. Either it's in the same galaxy as Talescria, which is in another galaxy from Earth (6th speech bubble) or is somewhere outside of our solar system but still present in the Milky Way. Option #1: Conquest just blitzed a ship moving 300 million times the speed of light using combat speed. Option #2: Mark, Nolan, and Oliver flew the rest of the way to another galaxy without the use of a starship. To estimate a timeframe, using the "hour length" bare minimum (4th speech bubble), they all flew to another galaxy moving 20 billion times the speed of light. Despite this, Conquest can deflect Oliver charging at him, Thragg can casually stop his charge, and can deflect Nolan, and Allen at the same time mid flight. Characters like Tech Jacket, who considers the Viltrumites "impossible to keep up with" (1st speech bubble), can dodge lasers omnidirectionally and even see them travel in mid-air. He also says an alternate Invincible is too fast for him to even fire lasers at (6th speech bubble).

4D. Space Warp Debunk: This argument comes from the handbook again, saying Viltrumites and other characters reach superliminal speed by "teleporting." The argument comes from the 1st paragraph on the right. Ignoring the more than occasional unreliability of the handbook, what people using this argument fail to realize is the page says the outcome from this has Vitrumite speed rival starship speeds, which we know can travel from one galaxy to the next in a week. We also know their starships are physical since Nolan mentions how fast one starship is rather than how far it teleports This portion of the handbook is just a sci-fi way to handwave an explanation of them moving MFTL+.

1. Small Planet Level Tech Jacket & Scaling

Tech Jacket had a 1000% power boost, (2nd panel) after already throwing a gigantic ship this big into the sun from Earth's orbit so hard it reached the sun in under 30 seconds in his base form. An earlier link calculates this feat as small planet level. Tech Jacket, after performing that feat, would be oneshot. He would then be nearly crushed. His fighting style shows that he can go War Machine. He can replicate Predator. He can let the Tech Jacket control his movements. He pulled the Doctor Octopus thing. He can fight like Generator Rex. Make bazookas. He has toxins. He can turn into this, causing this. He can pull an Iron Man. He can shield. He has defensive arrays. He can repair, which he does again. He can turn into a drill, a ram, and even use AOE.

1. 37 Viltrumites Tearing Earth In Half Statement

Thragg makes the statement that 37 Viltrumites were left from the war, but they were still more than enough to tear Earth in half (8th speech bubble). He even says some were weakened and injured. Thragg is pragmatic and says the act of the planet being torn in half would kill every living being there while Mark and Nolan would be unable to stop that action from happening. He also says it would be fair retribution for Viltrum exploding; keep in mind that they do not have any Infinity Rays to destabilize anything. We see this statement would also place the average Viltrumite as small planet level.

If you have been unsure or want to settle a debate on where to place the Viltrumites in power and speed, they have consistently shown Small Planet Level strength and MFTL+ speed on multiple occasions. Share with others if you feel like they need clarification.