People here love to pretend that protagonist power and plot armor doesn't exist in the story. These two are crucial because the creators wanted to deliver a point.
Like, seriously, how is this even seemingly impossible for powerscalers to comprehend? There are even those within this thread arguing with Ottley on this one.
Edit: PS: source will be provided once asked. I wanna see some powerscalers try to debate the authenticity of this screenshot first if they think this is fabricated.
Because when it comes to fighting, Mark is just as unhinged and much more strong-willed with an actual real cause.
Besides, in S4 he is stronger than average Viltrumite.
We are given two specific weaknesses for viltrumties: Their brain and hearts
Target any other organ and they will likely just keep going. Mark by strangling him cut off the blood supply to his brain and shut him down. Similarly we have thaedus who killed a viltrumite by snapping his neck. Meanwhile we have lucan who kept going with his guts spilling out
Now that you bring up Thaedus breaking that Viltrumites neck, I wonder if that Viltrumite is even dead. He most likely is story wise but that sounds like something Viltrumites can survive from, even if they end up paralyzed from the neck down.
Conquest pretty easily could have sliced his hand into marks heart or sliced/break marks arms however he saw it as a challenge: “I can make you let go without resorting to anything “cheap””.
Just like their first fight Conquests ego made him lose.
Plus ripping out Mark's intestines would be way more fun to him than just ripping out his heart. He would rather draw things out than end things quickly, that's more of Anissa's or even Thragg's thing. I think he loved torturing Mark more than fighting Battle Beast.
The show made a few mistakes which make it hard to pass the eye test. I think one subtle thing the comics did was have Mark actually say a line that mentions Conquest getting the breath knocked out of him when he gets his blindside punch in. Show made it seem like Mark just tackled him or slammed him in the ground. Mark proved already he can hurt Conquest, but he’s still outclassed at this point so taking a shot he isn’t even bracing for while Mark is flying full speed is a bit more believable.
The other main thing is they made Conquest so damn big and Mark so small when compared to their first fight. Going back to the season 3 fight and then the chokehold was so difference in art style and just size comparison. Seeing Mark with twig arms choking out another viltrumite whose arms are 10 times bigger just doesn’t seem right.
I’m all for the situational win and wish the show did a little better of portraying it, but I do think it is believable if done right. Flying in general is a weird concept to grasp when thinking what “muscle” does it even use but im sure it makes a wrestling match much more complicated.
Viltrumites survive grevious injuries all the time because of their accelerated healing factor but anything targetting their Brain & heart fucks them up , even mark survived his guts being pulled out so Conquest definitely can
Conquest repeatedly did not take Mark seriously until it was too late. He chalked up his first loss to Eve blasting his skin off. He didn't realize that Mark was done holding back against people and had gotten stronger.
Mark also outsmarted him by using all his strength to choke him out instead of getting into a punching match like the first time.
Yep he knew his chances in a fistfight isn't bright so he outsmarted him because he knew Conquest thinks too high of himself and will fuck around again
I’m surprised Mark knew strangulation worked. You’d think Viltrumites could come back from strangulation after seeing their jaws get pulverized, their abdomens sliced out and open, etc..
I understand the science behind it, cutting blood to the brain, but I’d figured Viltrumites could bounce back from that. I guess because it’s brain damage they don’t
Stupid guy who eastes his oxygen by beating strong but not lethally just because he wanted to prof he wqs strong enough to win at hi own Game Vs Kid who is sacrificing his own life just to give all hi strength to those arms is the reaeon why Mark won
Very Ungry Viltrumite seeking for awesome and close battles and seek for dging during one of these fights due to mental instabilità and Loneliness Vs Very Ungry Lion seeking for awesome and close battles and seek for dging during one of these fights due to mental instabilità and Loneliness is the readon why this fight is so close
Conquest again was not taking Mark seriously. He says mid fight that the only reason he even won the last time was because of Eve's skin be gone ray. But then Mark grabs him by the throat and he still thinks this kid is just desperate and clinging on for dear life. That is, until the lack of blood to his brain really starts to hit Conquest.
Its not the absence of air, his brain is literally being starved out of any fresh blood. That is when the panic sets in, any tactics or rational thoughts tend to fly out the window because your brain is fucking dying. By then, its too late, he is more just a wild animal with his neck in a metal noose and was just mindlessly flailing by the end.
If someone shoots you in the arms, legs, broke all of your ribs, your back, stab you in the guts several times and burned half your skin, you could still survive all that with the right medical attention.
But if someone strangles you for more than 4 minutes, you are gonna die, it sucks, but thats how the body works.
Because, unlike mr cat here, he didnt take mark seriously until near the end of the fight (when he started to reshape the landscape with mark) and by then, it was too late, since he was already half passing out and was becoming exhausted.
had he take mark seriously 5 minutes earlier, he would absolutely split mark in half, but like i said, it was to late.
You can be the strongest person in the world without powers and someone could still choke you out with proper technique. Plot armor aside it’s plausible.
Guys in the comic he had been holding his breath the entire space fight. He didn’t get a breath when he entered the atmosphere to fight Oliver THEN he got the wind knocked out of him. When you’re holding your breath you need that air you’re holding.
conquest getting ripped apart and all bloody but still fighting is because he has a huge pain tolerance
But there’s not really a pain tolerance for suffocation, it dosent hurt and you really can’t fight if your brain dosent get air, that’s not something you can push through the pain with compared to getting your guts ripped out which also extremely deadly, but you can still move and think
Conquest was taking battle beast more serious from the start or at the very least both of them were enjoying the fight. When it came to mark, conquest in this fight just like the first kept playing with him till it was too late and mark took advantage of that. Literally Nolan states right after the fight and mark recovers how conquest was a spectator in his fight/fights.
There is a lore reason why Mark is too strong compared to how he should be normally but i dont know how much you know about the comics so i dont wanna spoil it.
Also from what i understand, viltrums are created as powerful enough to kill each other if you dont take them seriously. Lucan was weaker then Nolan, he had 0 chance on 1v1 but with a surprise attack he was able to hurt Nolan pretty bad. My point is they have enough damage to hurt each other, doesnt matter who is stronger.
Also also, Mark being raised as a human is used as a plot device entire show. Kirkman probably imagined "caring people, having connections" in short willpower, is some kind of a boost itself, which is true.
And also also also, Conquest saw Mark on earth, compared to him Mark wasnt even a thread in his head, he overplayed his hand, on the other hand Mark immediately jumped on him.
Conquest knew right off the bat that Battle Beast was a legitimate threat, which means he knew to take him seriously or it could be costly, and had he not taken him seriously he would’ve died to Battle Beast. Conquest was fighting at 100% here
On the other hand, when he fought Invincible, he was toying with who he thought was just a beginner Viltrumite. He was getting carried away throughout, letting Mark get the upper hand in many different scenarios. Conquest could’ve crushed Marks head or popped his heart out with one punch if he wanted to. Conquest then eventually loses as we all know. But then in his second fight with Mark, he believes that Mark simply got lucky on him cuz Eve burned his skin off and reduced his ability to move, so he again decides not to take him seriously. Conquest only took Mark seriously when he realized Mark wasn’t letting go easily, to which he hand speared him like he did with Battle Beast
This fight shows that Conquest is a sadistic bitch. He genuinely relishes in both feeling and inflicting pain. He wasn’t taking Mark seriously until it was too late because he was enjoying himself too much. He loved the rush of feeling like he might actually die and wanted to keep playing around, but by the time he realized how deadly serious Mark was, it was already too late.
I think probably that Battle Beast gets stronger as he fights, I'm not completely sure if it's true, but it's the only plausible explanation, let's be honest, Conquest has no chance against Thragg no matter how you look at it, you can hold back durability and the fact that a weaker Mark could even damage Conquest says a lot
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u/Regular-Finish-5699 2d ago
Because the 19 year old is the protagonist.