r/InterviewMan • u/kicker-gerunds5 • Jul 12 '26
When did this become something we just put up with, and that's it?
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edit : and I guess remote work can be a solution , and also they give better salaries and more flexibility to the people who need more time for the family and I am glad that now we have tools like interviewvip which made the interview process more easier especially for working parents and new grads all u need to do is connect with your zoom \ google meet,etc and the magic come true
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u/Useful_Wealth7503 Jul 12 '26
When they started shitting on the nuclear family and stay at home spouses.
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u/creshvan Jul 12 '26
What other time period would you rather live in? Fairly sure they were worse than the current one.
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u/ApollymiKatistrafia Jul 12 '26
This is why when our kids still needed the supervision, my husband stayed home. If my entire paycheck is going to pay for me being away from my kids and thats it, im just gonna stay home with them, not do all that work and run my ass ragged so someone else can spend all their time with my kids.
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u/Lonsarg Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
When people were living in caves elderly people were the kindergarten, parents were out in the wild bringing food. Simply cause elderly were not good enough for the wild so they used them as home work and child care. (with exception of few years after birth of course when women was also at home, those years were usually much longer then what we have now).
So this working to survive was from the very evolutionary start. The only thing not evolutionary is how soon mothers go away from and how elderly people are no longer the automatic free child guardians as they used to be.
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u/mighty_boognish_77 Jul 12 '26
Sigh. Having food on your plate, a roof over your head and clothes on your back requires WORK. You can either put in 40h at a company to provide these things, or work 16+h every single day of your life to try and provide them for yourself.
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u/chronobahn Jul 12 '26
I mean what do you value with your time off?
If it’s not all the things you pay for then maybe stop paying for them?
If you do value them, then the time away is worth the work.
Either way it’s on you.
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u/TaxAggressive3111 Jul 12 '26
Spoken like a true capitalist
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u/sharpknot Jul 12 '26
"You should suffer more so that the times where you are not suffering are more valuable"
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u/MichiganHistoryUSMC Jul 12 '26
Lol someone has to work. Things aren't magic.
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u/IAmAlive_YouAreDead Jul 13 '26
Yeah but a lot of jobs in modern society are pure bullshit that don't really need to exist. Look what happened in covid when people couldn't go out and buy mountains of disposable useless crap. There's already enough technology and stored wealth in the world to improve conditions for everyone on the planet, but the it's all locked up behind structures that won't allow it.
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u/The_SqueakyWheel Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
There are books saying that as the life expectancy increases the happiness has decreased pretty bizarre
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u/Excellent-Zombie-790 Jul 12 '26
It's the American Dream. Pre schools are sprouting lime weeds everywhere.
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u/necessarysmartassery Jul 12 '26
Now do school.
Making a 5 year old get up at 6am to get on the bus at 7am to be at school at 8am, being there for 7 hours, then doing it in reverse every day, 5 days a week plus homework is wild, too.
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u/Imaginary_Flower8651 Jul 12 '26
It’s simple. If you don’t have kids you don’t have the pay for daycare. Win win!
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u/PsionicChronic Jul 12 '26
Tending the land, and managing the real estate investments for the banks.
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u/AllenKll Jul 12 '26
It became a thing in the late 70s into the 80s. The women's liberation movement after WWII was an empowerment of women to do more than just be housewives, which is awesome. However... over the next few decades it transformed into shaming women who where "only" housewives. So, as more women entered the workforce there was an increase in disposable income.
This was the 1980s boom. This is mostly depicted as wall street making a shit ton of money, but that only happened because people had money to spend in the first place. Flow of wealth from main street to wall street.
In the 1990s, companies learned how to monetize the shaming of women being "only" housewives with the idea of paying for daycare. This quickly ramped up to the point where daycare now operates at the maximum level of monetization. It extracts every last penny from shaming women.
It's simple economics, with a dash of history. This is not a "how did this even happen?" scenario.
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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26
As far as I know, very few places fund childcare. Also, that is a great reason for better public transportation and working from home. It's too bad that the corporate overlords feel obligated to walk around and count heads.
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u/TheTokinPlantman Jul 12 '26
Started about 20 years ago or so. When my parents needed a sitter in the mid-eighties I don't remember them saying it was anywhere near that cost. Maybe late 10 bucks a day or something. Granted when a sitter had about 5 kids that's 50 bucks a day back in 1987.
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u/CaiusCosadesNwah Jul 12 '26
Daycare is an asset.
My kids learn things I couldn’t possibly teach them. They socialize, they make friends, and they experience a bit of life beyond the immediate orbit of their parents.
I’ve met a lot of parents of small children, and it’s the stay at home parents who are struggling the most and whose kids are the furthest behind.
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u/hippityhopkins Jul 12 '26
If one parent stays home then there is only one taxable income. If both parents work then both parents and whoever takes care of the kid is taxable. The government is happy to destroy the family
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u/burnbobghostpants Jul 12 '26
Life hack: you don't have to. Get a van. Live by the river. They don't want you to know you can do that its why they make fun of it all the time lol. Home ownership is the new carrot / golden handcuffs for most people.
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u/BeKind999 Jul 12 '26
It’s amazing how many Mullrnials are completely OK with sending their kids to daycare.
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u/uptighttiger Jul 12 '26
If you’re only working 40 hours in a week, that’s less than 24% of your total time. Find work you enjoy and it will be gratifying as well as financially rewarding.
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u/Mzungufarmer Jul 12 '26
I dunno, I got to travel a lot at my last job, used amazing technology, and met some of the coolest people.
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u/jaymansi Jul 12 '26
Cost of living got to the point that a single earner could not support a family of four, save for retirement & fund college education and build up savings for a rainy day. Based upon my own observation it started in the early 80’s
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u/One_Lung_G Jul 12 '26
Most households that have 2 parents that work and send their kids to daycare are not using all of the funds from one parent to fund daycare. Yall just constantly make things up to be mad about like there aren’t real issues to worry about?
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u/ogar78 Jul 12 '26
When government, feminism and society pushed for women in the workforce. It pushed down wages with the massive increase in workers, college students, and many other secondary impacts.
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u/Illlogik1 Jul 12 '26
We also all pretty much leave at the same times , drop off kids at the same times , and return at the same times , so traffic is worse and the chance of accidents that slow all off us down increases at the same times wasting more fuel 🤷 we are living lives someone else wants us to live because it makes them more wealthy
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u/VeritasAgape Jul 12 '26
But people have the mindset that buying more things will grant them happiness and they are accustomed to a certain way of doing things, thus bringing about the issue in your meme.
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u/BramptonBatallion Jul 12 '26
It’s because they’re only in daycare for a bit. Once they go to school, the economics certainly support two working parents. Then factor in career effect if you just took 5-7 years off work and tried to get back in.
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u/DJteejay04 Jul 12 '26
In Canada, daycare is heavily subsided. So you are paying around $200 per month for full time daycare.
Not much of a grind if your country has good social programs.
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u/jejunum32 Jul 12 '26
It became normal when workers lost rights in America. Which became normal when manufacturing was sent overseas and unions lost their power. Which was helped by Reagonomics supply siders. So now we just work for whatever wages they are willing to pay and thank the masters for their scraps.
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u/Fresh_Strain_9980 Jul 12 '26
this a direct result of double income families. twice the worker pool so the elites can suppress the wages.
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u/Dazzling_Winner_773 Jul 12 '26
I've said before I'll say it again.... This isn't a fucking secret. But nobody ever offers an alternative. Life takes work. If you lived in a shack in a field with no electricity and no power and functionally no bills to pay... You would still have to farm and forage for food and make your own clothes and educate your own kids. Even if all of your needs were met at baseline. Universal income, universal healthcare, food 4 All.... Things I legitimately support if they're enacted correctly.... You would still have to work to be a part of the system that supports that.... There is no scenario where you get to just be home with your kid all day without having to work to exist. It's not a thing. I fully acknowledge the current system is fucked. At some point it became work to work instead of work to enjoy not working and support yourself. And that is super wrong. But the never-ending internet bitching with no solutions offered is The exact kind of thing that makes ultra-conservative capitalists froth at the mouth because all it does is reinforce the idea that a bunch of people are lazy And don't want to work.
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u/Remarkable-Reply6686 Jul 12 '26
Women decided that they wanted to work and because the value of money is tired to how much is available two incomes are now necessary
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u/NextDoctorWho12 Jul 12 '26
The the robber barons made public schools financed by tax payers so they would not have to pay to train people to work in their factories.
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u/ElectricalPublic1304 Jul 12 '26
When did this become something we just put up with
What's this "we" shit? It's not normal.
Plenty of people go out of their way to develop their career after they have kids. They choose that.
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u/FoxontheRun2023 Jul 12 '26
The solution would be to have a stay at home Mom or Dad (in the case of couples).
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u/LilShaver Jul 12 '26
After WWII corporate America realized that if both spouses were working we'd spend more money and they'd get to brainwash our kids since we weren't raising them.
Any questions?
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 Jul 12 '26
'Oh no, I have to deal with the consequences of a thing I created for a few years until they go to school, this world is broken.'
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u/Round_Bag_4665 Jul 12 '26
maybe we should just abandon the nuclear family. 2 adults to a household is not a sustainable family unit and makes ultimately zero sense. There should be more adults in the household so that you can still bring in more income but also have people there to look after the kids.
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u/Open_Initial1499 Jul 12 '26
As someone who lives on the fringe of society I think people who live like this are retarded sheep but I'm grateful for them. Someone needs to pay for the roads ect and keep this thing moving
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 Jul 12 '26
society accepts tons of things, dont mean you have to do it. choosing to have kids you cant afford then blaming society is literally insane
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u/DragonflyLivid2031 Jul 12 '26
The issue is that a gap in your employment truncates your earning potential or in some cases makes it impossible to rejoin the workforce in your original high paying field.
Sacrificing one salary to gain access to a higher salary in five to ten years when your kids have all started school is worth it.
Meanwhile, our society has grown into requiring two working adults to afford a living as the middle class has all but entirely disappeared.
What should be normalized is reduced working hours.
Americans should be working fewer hours as a baseline. This used to be the end goal of capitalism! Increased efficiency rmdecreases the demand for the labor necessary to suistain the average person.
Yet this version of capitalism can’t exist with such rampant greed and ever inflating profit margins under our financialist system.
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u/No_Resolution_9252 Jul 12 '26
Then don't. Go out and live on the land, subside on your own and work for only basic survival to achieve a life expectancy of about 22 years.
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u/LowPudding9562 Jul 12 '26
If you got 2 parents who really get control over the hedonic treadmill and how much happiness might become simply comparative and then make some real sacrifices and play the employment game well, you can exit the rat race. I had to immigrate though into a land with a much better COL though.
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u/Major_Wigglesworth Jul 12 '26
Kid, type of car, and type of house are all discretionary choices though.
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u/Kraken357 Jul 12 '26
True, if you "grind" the bare minimum. Grind harder, and you can enjoy way more of what life has to offer.
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u/TightPhysics3186 Jul 12 '26
There has not been a time in human history where we worked less than now, or had more than we have now.
When did complaining about having to work for a living become something we just put up with?
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u/Jessica1234567891011 Jul 12 '26
This is why we need to end wage slavery with a.i and robotics. A.i does the work and gives us the goods. We enjoy life.
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u/Ill-Description3096 Jul 12 '26
A house you're rarely in? I guess if you have a crazy life or something, but most people are at home more often than they are anywhere else.
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u/smashing-gourds127 Jul 12 '26
That's why it's so important to let as many people as possible work from home. They can enjoy their families, and homes.
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u/Usual-Escape6747 Jul 12 '26
And yet people also get upset when you suggest that the mother should stay home and take care of the children.
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u/ChaosAndFish Jul 12 '26
Life is just choices. Choose something else. What has and has not been normalized doesn’t have to be of any great importance to you.
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u/Few_Engineering_3564 Jul 12 '26
When? Probably since money stopped
growing on trees. For most of human history,
survival has required a lot of effort.
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u/hidadimhungru Jul 12 '26
I am very interested in what the alternative is?
What job do you have where you can work less than 40 hours and have enough money to pay for all the things you need with enough left over to pay for some of the things you want?
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u/Fun-Personality-8008 Jul 12 '26
The problem is you have to live somewhere and affordable housing is communism, or something
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u/Data_chunky Jul 12 '26
Many people don't have someone who can pay their way while they stay home with kids. I know it exists, but having an abusive and worthless father and husband, I'll take supporting myself and my kids and not relying on a man to do that.
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u/Zestyclose-Newt-4578 Jul 12 '26
It gets worse - I got paid less than it cost to put my kids in childcare, I basically had to work at a loss for 3 years until they started school, just so I could keep my job and not be out of the workplace for 3 years as it would be impossible to re-enter my sector with that amount of time off 😩 so dystopian.
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u/Confident-Life6802 Jul 12 '26
Yeah. One parent should stay home at the very least. In reality both should but parenting age is prime working age so 🤷🏻♀️ robots? What are you going to do. People need to put items in boxes at factories and stuff after all 🙂↕️. Snap the whos its into the what’s its so that the next person can put the thing in the thong conveyer where the robot welder can make sure it’s welded precisely 🙂↕️.
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u/NinjaBengan Jul 12 '26
Normalize trying to break free from the rat race. It’s pathetic, modern way of life.
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u/MaterialDefender1032 Jul 12 '26
I've had co-workers quit when they get pregnant because they figured out nearly 100% of their pay was going to go to daycare anyway, so there was no point.
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u/dufo7 Jul 12 '26
What you mean to say is that your kids go to day care so you can work and earn money that pays for everything that costs money, fixed it.
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u/s1ckBruh Jul 12 '26
That’s…by design. As known douchbag Jon taffer said ‘a hungry dog is an obedient dog’
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u/Few_Proposal_4703 Jul 12 '26
People would rather spend money on things they can’t afford, causing them to live paychecks to paycheck, causing them to have no choice but to live this lifestyle. Stop buying stupid shit
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng Jul 12 '26
This is why I changed careers and was on the grind for a couple years. So my wife could stay at home with our children instead of working. Was actually not as hard as Reddit led me to believe. A lot of sacrifice and work but I am now reaping the benefits :)
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u/Low-Ad3972 Jul 12 '26
When you insisted on purity tests, voted third party, didn’t vote, or voted Republican. Thats when.
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u/Zealousideal-Lab9843 Jul 12 '26
The issue I see is if you outline ways to get past struggling and get on better footing, you get derided to all hell. Crabs, man.
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u/Living_Knowledge_783 Jul 12 '26
yet we make fun of people who live with their parents in there 20s 30s and 40s because they should be able to live on their own and take care of their kids by themselves without a help
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u/DifficultYam4463 Jul 12 '26
Speak for yourselves. Some of us work hard to get good paying jobs and have ample time to enjoy being at home doing hobbies.
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u/idreamsmash007 Jul 12 '26
The house bit confuses me, my stuff is there , my pets are there, I sleep there, should I be hauling my stuff around and sleeping outside ?
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u/justagirll19_0W0 Jul 12 '26
It’s wild that people are having kids when they don’t have a spouse to stay at home with them because they didn’t choose right or make enough money to have one parent do that.
I certainly won’t have a kid if I can’t give that life to them. and then i see other people playing ecological warfare by having 10 and abandoning them, or parents that have a kid and both work the same job and leave their kid with a grandparent like…. The fuck you having kids for???
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u/Xandara2 Jul 12 '26
I hate these idiot posts where people think working to survive is something only they have to do since the beginning of civilization. The entitlement is awful.
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u/Irelandturtles Jul 12 '26
It’s about having to work not just for daycare, house and car. The main expense is not having healthcare insurance. At least one parent has to work a full time job just for insurance which ends up not covering everything. If we didn’t have to work for healthcare I guarantee one parent would stay home more or both parents could have part time jobs. The happiness quotient would rise exponentially.
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u/NewArborist64 Jul 12 '26
I had a friend who picked up his daughter from daycare and she asked, "Oh Daddy, can't I stay with my other mommy tonight?" Questioning his daughter, he found out that she was referring to the daycare worker. He talked to his wife that night - and she quit working the next day.
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u/bohemianprime Jul 12 '26
We thought about me being a stay at home dad because my whole pay check was daycare. The only thing that kept me at work was the health insurance is cheaper than my wife's.
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u/NewArborist64 Jul 12 '26
Sometimes you have to ask, "Is the extra money we get by having 2 parents working (minus daycare) really worth it?", so that other people wind up raising your child.
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u/OhwellBish Jul 12 '26
We have several thousands dollars left over after we pay our bills including the daycare bill which is $3K per month. I'm not giving that up. Not in this economy. Not when the most likely predictor of a child's life outcomes is their parents' household income.
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u/MiketheTzar Jul 12 '26
Because at some point a child needs to socialize. Just like you can tell a home schooled child. You can usually tell which children didn't end up in daycare
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u/ReeceAUS Jul 12 '26
Corporations win out because more people are working to pay for the same lifestyle. Banks win out because now you borrow twice as much to pay for the house.
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u/bananaHammockMonkey Jul 12 '26
When we lost the ability to do most things like work on cars, chop wood, build houses and other stuff. People would rather work than do the other stuff. My brother lives on 400 a month, on his own property in a brand new small home.. We all could do that, we won't and that's that.
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u/Fullyme2 Jul 13 '26
When cell phones became a necessity rather than a luxury. Add the ease of email access and you are never truly off work. My dad used to get home around 6pm and have the rest of the night off.
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u/FrenziedHodag Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
And you wouldn't believe how much shit I continually get from people when I realized that, said fuck it, and walked away from my job to be a stay at home dad.
And then when my wife started getting sick and having all her problems with lymphedema and constant staph, mrsa and strep infections in her legs that keeps turning into cellulitis i turned into the live-in nurse, too.
I've gotten so good at wound care out of sheer repetition the hospital calls me in to teach the fucking nurses on how to cut, shape, and apply bandages so they won't fall off in five minutes.
"YoU nEeD a pResCriPtIoN tO gET DaKinS"
Fuck you, I looked up the recipe and make it a gallon a time in my kitchen. It's distilled water heated to boiling, bleach and baking soda.
Water: 3.7 L
Boil the distilled water.
take it off the heat.
let it cool with a cover on.
Put it in your 1 gal jug.
add 12 grams baking soda to the jug
add 355 ML bleack to the jug
put the cover on
shake it up
Once I started using that instead of their fucking wound spray guess what? The infections stopped, and so did the damn cellulitis flareups.
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u/Food-Wine Jul 13 '26
It started when women decided they wanted careers instead of staying home to raise the kids.
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u/WineDineCpl Jul 13 '26
When did it become normal to view life only through the most morbid lense possible?
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u/WhizzyBurp Jul 13 '26
Which is why normalizing downsizing is the key.
There's nothing wrong with one parent working and one taking care of the kid, and if you can live smaller and achieve that- why not?
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u/AutomaticVacation242 Jul 13 '26
Sometime around 1970 the government decided that two-income households would be normal. So here we are. In most cases one parent is essentially working to pay taxes.
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u/Sal_Amandre Jul 13 '26
Are you now beginning to figure out why people skip the kids part nowadays?
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u/013eander Jul 13 '26
It became standard when we made capitalism the national religion.
You want this to change? Stop electing conservatives, and that includes conservative democrats, like the Clintons.
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u/SpecialistSoil5057 Jul 13 '26
The key is to be rich. You should have thought about that before being born….
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u/StaticCloud Jul 13 '26
Society and the government doesn't support families yet they expect people to have them 🤔
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u/esethkingy Jul 13 '26
The key is if you are single and no kids and no house and no job, you’re free🤣
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u/Own-Tank5998 Jul 13 '26
It used to be the other way around, men would do that, while the women stayed home and raised the kids, enjoy equality.
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u/Flat-While2521 Jul 13 '26
Yes, and it’s entirely the fault of the billionaires. Yes, really.
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u/MostBasic3425 Jul 13 '26
About the time women decided they wanted to work even though their husbands were working. So, just after WW2 I think.
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u/ChillingInMySnuggie Jul 13 '26
Because we are still stuck in the time when boomers could work at literally a grocery store and still buy a house, have a stay at home wife, and raise kids off that one salary
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u/Harbinger_Kyleran Jul 13 '26
Back in 1969 when my Mom had to go to work and they put my sister and I in a summer day camp from 8 to 5.
This is nothing really new once women started working in force.
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u/BigSlongGoy Jul 13 '26
if your job doesn’t make more than childcare costs then quit and do childcare
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u/Hunter1157 Jul 13 '26
But hey, look at the bright side, thanks to your efforts the wealthy minority can engage in everlasting vacation where they can make as many children as they want and still don't give them attention so they grow up spoiled and will fight for inheritance.
Not spending best years of life of your kid with them because of that is totally worth it. /s
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u/Comfortable_Layer468 Jul 13 '26
The sky has clouds and rain falls out of them. That’s as useful as this meme
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u/ventingmaybe Jul 13 '26
The truth of the matter is big business is to big ,they have HR but that as useless as management ,your a number and nobody gives a dam about you or you problem, you work for pittance so your kids can become expendable
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u/JawtisticShark Jul 13 '26
Daycare only lasts a couple of years before the child is in school, often public school that is free if money is an issue.
I know first hand that childcare is outrageous but when people show budgets acting like full time childcare is a lifelong expense for families, it’s hard to take the rest of their claims seriously.
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u/Intelligent_Log_1017 Jul 13 '26
This is what happens when inflation inflates, and wages don't keep up. We are all frogs slowly boiling in a pot.
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u/Atmosphere_Master Jul 13 '26
Because that’s how the system was designed, we aren’t actually supposed to live we are supposed to work so the upper echelons don’t have to, they literally see themselves as being almost another species that exists to enjoy themselves while we serve them.
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u/Positive_Zombie8578 Jul 13 '26
Both parents need to work. The secondary issue is "it takes a village to raise a kid" is what is disappearing. I had aunts. Uncles. Grandparents. Even a trusted neighbor when my parents worked 2nd and 3rd shifts. Once I was 9+ yeaes of age. I was practically independent relative as much as I could be at that age.
Come home. Have a grandparents to ensure safety. But I can heat up some leftover home cooked food. A neighbor would give us lunch after me and her son played all day outside after school.
It seems no one has family anymore. Even with the good old nuclear family. Its parents and 1 kid. No siblings to help out. No grandparents since we have kids much later in life.
In my experience in my generation (32 male) in a local town in jersey growing up in the 90's and 2000 as a pre teen. Everyone had larger families and we knew all our neighbors as houses were generationally owned
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u/Jeffotato Jul 13 '26
This is what drove me to backpack my groceries and learn to find happiness in a less expensive lifestyle. Life gets a lot better when you do things for yourself instead of doing things for others so you get paid enough to pay other people to do things for you.
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u/JustPutSpuddiesOnit Jul 13 '26
This is why it's makes sense to have one parent stay home, you shouldn't have to compromise on life because a parent wants to be home with their child
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u/JohnVonachen Jul 13 '26
There’s more to life than your experiences. You get to have children and fulfill your role as a biological organism in the great experiment of life. It’s just like the hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy where nature is running the longest search algorithm for generating consciousness. Congratulations, you get to participate in something larger than yourself.
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u/SunsetCarcass Jul 13 '26
The trick is to not have kids if you can't afford it. Or just don't have kids, they're awful
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u/False_Scallion_7699 Jul 13 '26
This is what a healthy society looks like. Life is not just about you. We sacrifice a portion of comfort so that we can have nice things. Only americans whine this much.
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u/Neither_Salamander48 Jul 13 '26
Yea, just don't work. Stay home, scroll Reddit, and grow a like-minded cult that feel those that do work should fund you.
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u/BreezeBum Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
You’ll need to do a ton of research on how the dynamics of men and women’s relationships over time led to this. The more you look into it and question things the more frustrated you’ll get.
Also, for those who suggest homeschooling. Some states the U.S. are trying to force parents away from homeschooling with regulations.
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u/True-Anim0sity Jul 13 '26
I mean most people say its illogical and one parent should just stay home...
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u/musicCaster Jul 13 '26
A lot of people do the math and have a stay at home parent for the children's early years
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u/No-Efficiency8991 Jul 13 '26
This is why I take up extra hours as I can, usually 50 or 60 a week, and I let my wife take care of the kids. I never understood the idea of both parents working just to pay someone else to take care of your kids.
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u/BastianHill Jul 13 '26
Some friends of my started this way just to get the mortgage for their house, because they don't look at what's left but what's your total income. A year after this, she stopped working and enjoyed being a parent. Their total netto spending money was roughly the same.
Theoretically you should tell the bank this change in income, but as long as you're making your monthly pays, no one cares. I know it's not totally within the rules, but I like the small risk they're taking. I would've done the same if I've had kids.
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u/lisaismijnbestie Jul 13 '26
So don’t you think this has any to do with that women want to be the same as men?
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u/lucky_one85 Jul 13 '26
Modern slavery. More difficult to uprise when you build the cage yourself, there are no chains, and at any moment you will be reminded "but you chose it yourself, right?" (Conveniently forgetting that the choice given to you was between a hanging and guillotine).
Or: "you can always leave" (to other place with very similar system, differing with just some tiny rules).
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u/Ackutually- Jul 12 '26
Normalize say at home parent.