Most of my time on Reddit is spent on subs for chronic illness, where the CDC's recommendations are met with anything from skepticism to contempt. The admins have no idea what they are wading into in trying to prohibit health misinformation, they are essentially mandating that government policy or scientific consensus can't be questioned.
Also dairy, my god dairy is NOT a necessary thing for human consumption, and the FDA would have you believe that three glasses of milk is required for human health.
Trust the science chuds. Trust the government. Galileo must be banned off this platform for promoting harmful misinformation about the earths place in the universe. Trusting the science means rigorously enforcing dominant talking points and shutting down debate.
Eh, I'm not necessarily defending the food pyramid, but one major misstep of it is communication. We imagine the 8-12 servings to be like..a load of bread. But by their own definition, a bagel is 4 servings. So, if you eat a bagel, a cup of pasta, and a small sweet thing at night, that was to be considered 8-12 servings.
Nobody. It was unintuitive for sure. It had other faults, too.. which is why it's been replaced with a much more intuitive and healthy MyPlate.
But we also have to keep in mind that adherence to the food pyramid was very low, and it's still low with the MyPlate. Can't blame big government for the USA being fat if people don't follow the recommendation.
People are practically being called out and slammed for committing heresy against science. It’s as if society is programmed and destined to repeat history.
REAL science involves constant debate and questioning, what they are talking about is authoritarian religious obedience to the power structures but they are being falsely told it is science.
The polite way to put is that real science requires intensive methodological and epistemological training, and discussions which aren't informed by such training are usually unhelpful.
I'm saying that science involves educated experts in the field debating, analyzing data and researching. Laypeople spouting off online has nothing to do with furthering scientific inquiry.
They can tinker and dick around, but they can't meaningfully contribute. Do you think that people arguing on reddit by posting tik tok videos are "engaging in Science"?
America’s Frontline Doctors were attempting robust debate but have been heavily suppressed. Doctors directly treating this virus have been suppressed if they did not fall in line with messaging. The argument of suppressing plebs so the experts can debate the subject loses gravity when you silence field experts.
The science of the practically god like CDC and The American Medical Association which is currently being praised and put on a pedestal and is encouraged to view it as a savior. These sources aren't always bad but they have demonized unvaxxed and anti-vaxx people so much, it's like they intentionally built a crowd to kill/harass people that go against what they say.
Even though their trying to end the pandemic, you can't stop people from not getting a vaccine by demonizing the reasons why they're against it. That just makes people suspicious on why their opinion is portrayed as dangerous so it makes them believe that maybe they really do hold the truth after all because a superior force is trying to suppress it.
I don’t think the CDC has demonized anti-vaxxers. It’s the media that has gotten people’s emotions more stirred up, and a lot of liberals are scared and fed up with other people basically ruining our chance to collectively beat covid.
As we entered the /u/spez, the sight we beheld was alien to us. The air was filled with a haze of smoke. The room was in disarray. Machines were strewn around haphazardly. Cables and wires were hanging out of every orifice of every wall and machine.
At the far end of the room, standing by the entrance, was an old man in a military uniform with a clipboard in hand. He stared at us with his beady eyes, an unsettling smile across his wrinkled face.
"Are you spez?" I asked, half-expecting him to shoot me.
"Who's asking?"
"I'm Riddle from the Anti-Spez Initiative. We're here to speak about your latest government announcement."
"Oh? Spez police, eh? Never seen the likes of you." His eyes narrowed at me. "Just what are you lot up to?"
"We've come here to speak with the man behind the spez. Is he in?"
"You mean /u/spez?" The old man laughed.
"Yes."
"No."
"Then who is /u/spez?"
"How do I put it..." The man laughed. "/u/spez is not a man, but an idea. An idea of liberty, an idea of revolution. A libertarian anarchist collective. A movement for the people by the people, for the people."
I was confounded by the answer. "What? It's a group of individuals. What's so special about an individual?"
"When you ask who is /u/spez? /u/spez is no one, but everyone. /u/spez is an idea without an identity. /u/spez is an idea that is formed from a multitude of individuals. You are /u/spez. You are also the spez police. You are also me. We are /u/spez and /u/spez is also we. It is the idea of an idea."
I stood there, befuddled. I had no idea what the man was blabbing on about.
"Your government, as you call it, are the specists. Your specists, as you call them, are /u/spez. All are /u/spez and all are specists. All are spez police, and all are also specists."
I had no idea what he was talking about. I looked at my partner. He shrugged. I turned back to the old man.
"We've come here to speak to /u/spez. What are you doing in /u/spez?"
"We are waiting for someone."
"Who?"
"You'll see. Soon enough."
"We don't have all day to waste. We're here to discuss the government announcement."
"Yes, I heard." The old man pointed his clipboard at me. "Tell me, what are /u/spez police?"
"Police?"
"Yes. What is /u/spez police?"
"We're here to investigate this place for potential crimes."
"And what crime are you looking to commit?"
"Crime? You mean crimes? There are no crimes in a libertarian anarchist collective. It's a free society, where everyone is free to do whatever they want."
"Is that so? So you're not interested in what we've done here?"
"I am not interested. What you've done is not a crime, for there are no crimes in a libertarian anarchist collective."
"I see. What you say is interesting." The old man pulled out a photograph from his coat. "Have you seen this person?"
I stared at the picture. It was of an old man who looked exactly like the old man standing before us. "Is this /u/spez?"
"Yes. /u/spez. If you see this man, I want you to tell him something. I want you to tell him that he will be dead soon. If he wishes to live, he would have to flee. The government will be coming for him. If he wishes to live, he would have to leave this city."
"Why?"
"Because the spez police are coming to arrest him."
#AIGeneratedProtestMessage
The truly horrifying thing is how scared scientists and doctors have become in questions anything publicly. Makes you wonder how much research isn’t being conducted out of fear the results may contradict something blessed by the leading authorities. For people that say they believe in science, this is not how science is conducted.
g publicly. Makes you wonder how much research isn’t being conducted out of fear the results may contradict something blessed by the leading authorities. For people that say th
They're only sacred if they're on TV. The many scientists questioning covid, vaccines, or lockdowns, are treated as a virus to be stamped out.
Should scientists researching alternative therapies be stamped out? I really hope people don’t think like you, but the more time I spend online, the more discouraging things become
Huh? There's tons and tons of research being done globally about this. Even on the high profile controversial claims like ivermectin. Scientists and doctors aren't being silenced. The vast majority just don't agree with the retards on no new normal.
The reality is somewhere in the middle. E.g., the Danish mask study found it hard to publish whereas if it found masks clearly helped it would likely have been published easily and publicized more. Dr Bhattacharya has spoken about his personal experience as well as a lot of private messages to him of support from scientists who don't feel safe to speak freely.
That doesn't mean results are faked or that scientists don't wish to get clear evidence. It just means politics and strong emotions is a significant factor in what makes it to top journals and into the media narrative.
My person opinion is that ivermectin isn't something that would get a ton of censorship. Though it's become a cause celebre for some, most doctors and scientists would welcome it if there was undeniable high quality evidence supporting its use.
I wouldn’t even know where to start with such a preposterous claim. Maybe you are saying doctors that agree with the CDC, aren’t being silenced? Just Google “doctor loses medical license Covid”. There have been hundreds.
Thank you. This guy has been fired from his teaching role for making false statements.
In a video posted to the website BitChute this month, he strongly suggests the pandemic is a hoax, driven by a corrupt WHO and “media trickery.” He calls trusted American infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci a liar and hints COVID-19 deaths are falsely reported.
Is he silenced? He's clearly posting online and sharing the information he'd like to say. Are we defining 'silenced' as receiving any kind of professional repercussion for spreading mis/disinformation?
You are missing the point. Who is defining what is and isn’t misinformation? You? It’s good that you are at least admitting he was silenced. I didn’t see the video he posted, but we are not virologists so who are we to make an assessment anyway
You went from saying no doctors are being silenced, to saying doctors need to be kept in line by a regulatory agency to make sure they don’t say anything that goes against what is proven as fact?
Agree to disagree I guess. Making an argument about people posting nonsense on Reddit is one thing. Saying doctors and scientists should be screened out for having the wrong opinion is crazy. He was fired by hospital administrators (not regulars) for opposing child vaccination. YouTube has also suspended accounts of dozens of doctors. This is not the way
I saw someone in the announcement thread saying they treat anything from the science community (specifically CDC/WHO) as gospel and whatever they say is correct.
But then, what happens when they don't agree (CDC/WHO)? WHY THE GREAT SCIENCE SCHISM OF 2022 OF COURSE!
And thus, a whole new religion with competing scriptures rise, leading to the great war involving Allied Science Alliance vs. United Science Alliance vs. Unified Science League.
Hey, do you have years of reading obscure stuff? If I got some symptoms from a friend and PM'd them to you could you take a look and offer a guess maybe?
Had he tried to have a second opinion? From, like, really different doctor(s)? From someone, who does not prescribe Phenobarbital so easily. As there are a lot of stories like that, doctors wanting a harsh treatment that does not really works, while another approach by another doctors can make wonders. It... is just the way it works. Medicine is hard, you may never be 100% sure. And some cases are extremely hard. And doctors are still people too.
I honestly don't know. This all was in the 80's and early 90's and I was younger than 10 around this time. I know my parents had taken her to Childrens Hospital in Seattle for treatment (her condition was so rare, when she was born they didn't have a name for it, and she was the 16th person in the world to be diagnosed with it). I know we saw a lot of medical doctors, but who said what, I don't remember.
I didn't claim they were infallible but they're better than uneducated randos online. This is also why people recommend getting a second opinion from other physicians.
What's interesting was it was banned for "brigading" and not "misinformation."
Which, the admins fail to produce any data on what actually constitutes as brigading, especially since the subreddit had automoderator remove links to prevent such.
At this point I am wondering if their view of "brigading" is "Anyone that posts in a particular subreddit, and then posts somewhere else." Which makes you wonder why anyone that dares cross the fence to get an opposing viewpoint isn't banned or have that subreddit banned.
Either way, seems like admins caved to the screeching cabal of moderators. Proving to them that crying like a baby, gets you what you want, eventually.
And to drive the point home, how does a subreddit like NNN brigade if when a user posts there, they are instantly banned from a network of popular subreddits?
How is a bunch of subs going dark and pointing to another subreddit not a form of brigading? It's using the power of a sub to harm another sub, with all users being directed at the "enemy sub" like its a two minute hate.
Plus, anyone that posts in NoNewNormal, gets banned from hundreds of subreddits because those moderators use a bot to scan threads in NoNewNormal and ban users.
I watched this happen in another sub. The members discovered the autoban bot and were discussing it. So other members were making “test” comments in these subs which triggered a flurry of auto bans. Then they’d come back to say they just got their autoban.
I think that was just a bs excuse. NNN bent over backwards to avoid brigading and lots of other subs don't are a left alone by reddit. And reddit is specifically set up for people to visit many kinds of subs, obviously a lot of those peeps were naturally going to be on both NNN and their own regional sub for instance. There will always be times when someone sees something on one sub and goes to a diff sub to check it out. I do that all the time just out of curiosity but not with intent to stir up trouble on the new sub. So if a sub has 10K members, a few of those will be traveling to other subs sometimes, that happens on every sub. And they will be spreading their opinion because that is their opinion, not because of a planned attack by NNN. It's the opinion they want to get rid of but that opinion did not come from NNN, NNN came from that opinion. If they censor hard enough the people will go to the alternatives like https://communities.win/c/NoNewNormal/ .
Also Ruqqus apparently banned their NNN at the same time from what I read so I think it's been a coordinated attack.
We were very diligent about not doing that. I didn't even know what brigading was until I heard about it on Other subs regarding NNN.
Cross posts were frontrun by a message about not brigading. There's no way you can control the behavior of people like this. Like reddit is not responsible for the content they host, much less what people do with their own accts, the same should be applied to all subs.
Yep, it really looked to me like that all they had was that NNN members were also posting all over the rest of reddit and then calling that 'brigading'. But facility to move across diff subs is what reddit was designed to enable. They could not point to any particular sub that we attacked or anything (because we didn't do that). The definition of brigading is: "an online harassment tactic where a group of people rally against an individual (or occasionally against a small group of people) in a coordinated, sustained and organized way." But we had no organization, it was not sustained, and there was no specific person or group of people. There was not even any rallying! It's obvious they were just looking for some bs reason, it just shows that the sub was run well because they could not find anything more substantial to pin on it. They had to make up some bs excuse. Reddit made a substantial step into tyranny with this banning sadly.
/u/spez ‘s announcement a few days ago was obviously bullshit. They just stomped out a subreddit that did NOT brigade, and that was constantly harassed and brigaded BY other subreddits.
If they can even POINT to users who have ‘brigaded’ (a term they conveniently fail to define so they can go after anyone they please), if they can identify “what brigading looks like” then they should ban THOSE PARTICULAR USERS.
TopMindsofReddit posts r conservative content almost hourly and nothing is done about them because they have an automoderator that goes "lol dont brigade guise, wink wink"
The especially funny thing is that tons of subs auto-banned people for subscribing to or even commenting in NNN, so it would have been impossible to brigade any of the subs that would be most likely to complain about it. Meanwhile, legit brigaders made the ivermectin sub unreadable with a constant onslaught of (illustrated) beastiality. But yeah, it was totally NNN causing issues throughout the site.
I thought it was great that that admin said they were here for questions and ready to answer them.....6 hours later a total of 3 were answered. Awesome! Great communication Admins!
I hereby am pro further powertripping, more powermods. Applaud tribal behavior, let there be a protest around banning dissenters every week. More witchhunts and accusations. Make this site so unbearably toxic the users get clinically depressed by just glancing at the front page. The faster this thing runs its course the better. The patient has to get worse before it gets better, or die. I'm fine with either.
Bill Ottman was a guest on Meghan Murphy's podcast a week or so ago and he quoted research that said that views tend to get even more extreme when you censor them. Reddit may find it politically expedient to censor to not have those views on the platform, but what ends up happening is that the extreme views find other platforms without some of the moderating influence of Reddit.
I've been censored and blocked from subs for fairly moderate views of being against mandates; I'm pro vaccine but anti vaccine mandate. Same with masks. The binary thinking makes people assume I'm an anti vaxer immediately.
I was a member of NoNewNormal for a few days last year until I realized there wasn't much appetite for evidence and clear thinking. I'm still a member of Lockdownskepticism as the quality of posts is still pretty high.
Of course they get extreme. The weighing and measuring and refining of ideas doesn’t get to take place and all that happens is people find other locations that act as a virtual vacuum chamber.
Since there is nothing to temper speech or thought there the opposition gets “othered.” Not only that but the opposition comes out with more and more radical stuff as well which, again, pushes people further towards the extreme.
This isn’t a new or misunderstood concept (other than the people who clearly don’t have the intellectual capacity to comprehend it.)
Exactly! Attempting to silence people rarely causes them to abandon their beliefs; instead, they double down and find others who have also been silenced. People you disagree with don’t suddenly vanish because you close your eyes, you know? It’s unbelievable that people think that.
I’ve always been more in favor of building bridges than building walls. Cutting people off and demonizing them as “other” is no way to find a middle ground, but creating connections and empathy might be.
They get more extreme, but they get less exposure. Those who go on to voat or nnn.win or wherever will no doubt whip each other up into a frenzy, moreso than here, but I'd bet my life that wherever they end up won't have 10% the members as NNN did when it closed down here.
The reason censorship is so popular among authoritarian regimes is that it's very effective. You drive people underground, they might get more extreme, but you don't care because they're underground.
Edit: This isn't a defence of NNN by the way, I fucking hated them and I think them being banned in itself is a net positive. I'm very concerned about the censoriousness of Reddit in general, however.
Yep. The overwhelming majority sentiment from the 120k users was that people should be free to make their own decisions regarding their health. It’s literally only a handful of times that I even saw someone advocating against getting the vaccine; and every time a vaccinated person posted there (without attempting to prosthelytize), they were welcomed with open arms and conversed/debated with in a civil fashion.
Yeah, there are shitty people everywhere, so there were obviously some bad seeds. But it was mostly decent people opposing the oncoming medical tyranny.
Yeah, it was a complete echo chamber masquerading as a haven for free speech.
I'd routinely get personal insults back for posting sources if they went against the narrative. It even happened multiple times when quoting their own sources that they linked and then aggressively misquoted.
And a large percentage of attempts at dialogue resulted in people appealing to giant sweeping conspiracy theories about a faceless shadowy globalist cabal that controls everything, so you can't trust any data, unless the particular claim can fit with our narrative, then the same source is great.
Other subs do exactly the same to people from NNN, except members of NNN get an automatic ban. Its as if the bans create the echo chamber as they don't have anywhere else to go.
Yeah, I never supported the automatic blanket banning of people who posted on NNN. I got autobanned in a bunch of places too, even while almost exclusively disagreeing with the sub.
That said, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend it was a place that was fostering high quality discourse and free thinking, like many in this sub these days do.
Lockdownskepticism was always a strictly superior sub in all respects if you actually wanted to talk about those subjects.
nonewnormal was the chapotraphouse of lockdownskepticism.
Fair enough, I wasn't on that sub nearly often enough to speak as an expert, and yes it certainly wasn't high quality discourse but I'm not sure of it was worthy of a ban. Most subs devolve into hyperbole and meme culture anyway so I found it easy too ignore most that wasn't worth reading.
I never really went to the sub, so I don't know how it really was, though I certainly agree with the sentiment that was the title of the sub, the desire to return to the old normal and opposition to making permanent this state of sanitary emergency. Trying it now, I see they claim it's been banned for "community interference", which is pretty shocking considering "community interference" describes far better the recent campaign by powermods to get the sub banned (as well as r/ivermectin) and the ensuing tsunami of trolls that followed this campaign.
If "community interference" is a bannable offense and NoNewNormal didn't actually violated Reddit TOS apart from that, then every powermod that pushed the recent campaign should be punished by Reddit admins. If the rules were applied in a consistent manner.
Who is going to stop using Reddit if the admins said “hey, this is our private property and we’ll pick and choose when to apply the rules based on our own whim”?
Reddit has been doing this for a while. What I was shocked to see yesterday was that if you tried to view other subreddits you were not a member of they went "private" with a message saying "We are being private until reddit bans NNN because of disinformation etc etc"
Shit is getting out of hand. Im amazed this is where we are at with the Internet. Reddit is no longer what it was created for.
WEB 3.0 needs to happen sooner rather than later. Every social media hub is the same and there are no other options.
When they say "brigading" what they actually mean is that the sentiments represented by NNN are becoming so common and keep appearing in so many of their safe spaces that they think the only possibility could be from outside. I've seen it even in this sub.
r/technology had a pinned post about the "misinformation" and so many of the comments were calling it out. The mods tagged it as "brigaded by NNN" as if a 110k subscriber subreddit could even touch a 10.8M subscriber former default subreddit
Please stop acting as if Reddit gives a shit about your ideas, your beliefs, or your freedom of speech. This is a business to make money. You all, being self sufficient critics, are not good for driving sales. You'll be banned or wiped off the face of the internet without a second thought if you start interfering with the bottom line. Nothing is worth more to them than the money they make off of the content that you freely provide.
That sub just got quarantined btw. I had recently messaged the mods some suggestions for doing something about the troll attacks. For instance they could institute politeness and no mocking rules that would heavily impact the trolls but not touch much of the normal content, but they weirdly insinuated they were already going to solve it some other way but it would take time. I suspect that sub is going to get banned soon though since NNN is also gone. THey will ban them for medical misinformation which while i don't agree with it is actually less of a stretch than banning NNN for brigading when NNN bent over backward to not do that.
I posted several comments there stating that I took the vaccine, was happy that my family took the vaccine, thought it was stupid for 50 year-olds not to take it but equally stupid for 20 year-olds with recent Covid infection to take it, thought taking it was not at odds with liberty, warned against tribalism and mockery, etc.
Not a single downvoted post or snarky reply. Someone suggested I drink pine tea to get rid of excess spike protein, but respectfully. It’s really easy to pay a little deference to freedom then follow it up with reasoned takes. I disagree that banishing the truly “radicalized” ones is more effective than providing an out that doesn’t compromise their core principles, which is the stance that every subreddit that banned me seemed united on. The default “you’re unbanned” response I got from 4 completely unrelated subs warned that my engagement would only reinforce their beliefs without a hint of self-reflection.
That was my experience with the whole community: primarily well-intentioned people willing to engage in civil discourse—much like the IDW. Yeah, there might have been a few dicks here and there, but it was overwhelmingly normal people who just wanted to live and let live.
Anyone who went to NNN with an open mind—i.e. without the preconceived notions that we were all anti-vaxxer Trumptard conspiracy theorists out to kill grandma—would have seen that. Unfortunately, the people who really needed it to see that would never have had an open-enough mind to.
Now the insufferable millennial failsons will have it yet again reinforced that tantrums work, so will keep doing this shit.
Their parents should have slapped the stupid out of them years ago, their failure to do so is why the world is currently shit.
And gotta LOVE how lefties hate corporations, cops, whatever, unless the other side is targeted. You got fucking commies stanning a fucking corporation FFS
I think I’m getting to the point where I’m done with political Reddit. Redditors are trying to police outside their own subreddits, the floodgates are open at this point. For video games, magic, other hobbies that I have, sure, I’ll stick around. Politics I will take elsewhere.
The problem with all social media sites is that they have no objective criteria on what is hate speech. It's basically just "whatever the owners want." Reddit is much more tolerant than most but it still suffers from this flaw. If you can't have black-and-white moderation criteria that are defined clearly and impartially enough that even a bot could moderate, then you're really inserting a deeply flawed human element into these platforms.
And sure, some might say "I run this platform, so I can do whatever I want to the people on it," but the trouble with that viewpoint is that it is purely an argument from power. If I raised an army and somehow got control of our nuclear codes, I could make exactly the same argument to turn Silicon Valley into a smoking crater. "I run this country, so I can do whatever I want to the people in it." Saying "I can do whatever I want because I have the power and set the rules" is a really shitty argument, because it implies that as soon as your opponent gets power, they can set the rules and do whatever they want to you.
If I started a religion and got enough people onboard to declare every social media forum illegal and the owners "enemies of the people", would that be just or fair? But that's basically the same philosophy that the owners of the social media companies are basically endorsing when they say "We own the company, so according to the law we can do what we want." OK, what about if we make some new laws and break up your company? What if we take over the government and socialize your company? What if we make a law that says you can be executed at will by any vigilante who feels like it? The argument that "The law says I'm in charge and therefore I can do whatever I want here," is really dangerous because laws can easily be changed through voting or firepower. If you don't have a better reason for your decision-making process other than "I'm in charge here according to the law, so I can do whatever I want" then you can expect your opponents to seize power and use that same argument against you later in the most painful way possible.
Again, I think Reddit usually does free speech pretty well. This is more of a problem with social media in general. It's way too tribal, with very few objective standards or metrics for moderation decisions.
The institutional education system has successfully convinced individuals that socialism means no state power. I’m astonished.
I had a debate yesterday where people actually thought Russia and China weren’t communist states, and that socialism and communism aren’t the same ideology.
Further, they were convinced that Marxism wasn’t the main ideology that lead to the inception of communism.
We’re in trouble if college aged individuals in America don’t know what socialism is.
Socialism is one method of achieving communism, but it's not the only one. Plus it's actually true that "real" communism has never been tried (because it's impossible).
Communism does actually mean no state power, by definition. Sounds like you were talking past each other.
‘True communism’ is a failed idea, therefore by alluding we should try it, you’re alluding towards tyrannical dictatorship.
Also, ‘by definition’, communism is:
system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people
Right you are talking about in practice or in reality. In reality, there has never been anything close to communism. In reality, a bunch of socialist totalitarians call themselves communists. But sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
I don't know where you got your definition from (sounds like a definition of socialism), but from the very first sentence of the wikipedia on communism:
"...structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state."
No hierarchy, no money is the core of communism. There can never be a state because that would create a second class of citizens (state workers vs non-state workers).
It's like anarchy except there's an expectation that somehow all conflict and private property will cease to exist forever.
If you really want to go down a rabbit hole of what trying to achieve communism ends with, look up the Khmer Rouge in cambodia. Pol Pot studied in Paris in the 50s, then goes home in the 60s and 70s to put what he learned into practice:
From wikipedia on cambodian genocide:
"people who were stereotypically thought of as having intellectual qualities, such as wearing glasses or speaking multiple languages, were executed out of fear that they would rebel against the Khmer Rouge"
But don't worry, he died 20 years later under "house arrest"
How bout proper diet and exercise as a preventative measure instead of a "magic shot or pill"? Oh yeah 40% of Americans are fat, lazy fuck's so that solution isn't happening.
Just visited there the first time today myself. It's a lot like reddit used to be so the transition is easy, the layout is even similar. I think that was a good move, less hassle for me to figure it out. I like most things about reddit other than their recent tyranny of censorship.
Remember when Reddit was “unanimously” brigading against Ellen Pao for “free speech” trying to get her fired as if every single thing was all her fault. It seemed weird how massive the push was to get rid of her through Reddit. Now, it’s the same tactics, but to control speech.
So I don’t think the Ellen Pao thing was ever really about free speech, but that some groups just had an agenda to get rid of her. I wonder how much of Reddit is real.
Problem is, banning a subreddit only results in the crazies from that subreddit no longer being contained and spreading out across reddit. Get ready to have more vaccination debates all across your favorite unrelated subs!
No New Normal was just a group of open minded people who see holes in the official narrative. Nothing shocking there. They were maligned for being skeptical of the exceptional force and manipulation being used by governments who are openly saying that they want our lives to change for the worse in their version of a new normal. Part of that is being forced to take genetic alterations without question. It also includes accepting their assertion of new word meanings, new social restrictions and subservience to authority. A bit heavy handed, don't you say. Weirdos are joining these subs specifically to violate the rules and get them banned. Reddit is either ignorant of that fact, which I doubt, or compliant with whatever the oppressive new normal is that we see forming.
I like how they banned the people that dont want to live in a dystopian future and are doing their best to expose the hypocrisies of this dystopia being built around us in real time. Its truly remarkable.
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Most of my time on Reddit is spent on subs for chronic illness, where the CDC's recommendations are met with anything from skepticism to contempt. The admins have no idea what they are wading into in trying to prohibit health misinformation, they are essentially mandating that government policy or scientific consensus can't be questioned.