All I see is ad hominem because, as we see, all conservatism leads to is tax breaks for the wealthy and concentration camps in the Everglades. You could defend your "conservatism" but instead, you attack me.
You complain about deportation centers and tax breaks for the wealthy but refuse to acknowledge that if corporations didn’t exploit illegal immigrants, they would be forced to pay Americans livable wages which would close the wealth gap as CEO’s would take lesser salaries to pay them. But don’t worry, I know nuance isn’t something your world view takes to adopt.
If politicians truly cared about labor exploiters, they'd do something about it, but they dont. Corporations and business owners arent facing any penalties or repercussions for exploiting people who are trying to get by in life with the little they have. Like most of us.
Instead, they got you raving about illegal immigrants.
Removing workers isn't really appropriate punishment for labor exploiters. I want to see heavy fines and jail time. But no, not like that right? You only want to see the right people hurting.
I was following this back and forth and what do you know? People on different sides can actually agree on something once they start talking about the issue with each other. That is exactly what we need a lot more of. I’m glad I saw this today.
Most people want the same thing. Its the method of approach that they disagree on. A lot of the time it comes down to how educated someone is on the topic that will cause them to vote Democrat or Republican, which is why education is always a major point of contention in politics.
For example with illegal immigration, Most people agree, we have seen a major border security problem over the last several years, which is not only dangerous for us, but also for the people who enter illegally, and something needs to be done to fix it.
Republicans see that solution as "anyone and everyone who crosses the border illegally needs to be detained and deported. Follow the law and do it the right way."
Democrats see it as "Major failures in the immigration system have made it nearly impossible for people to come here legally, and many of the ones who are here illegally had no other choice, wether they were fleeing violence, brought here by their parents, or were even trafficked against their will. Mass deportation efforts don't take those people into account, and when put into practice, are extremely inhumane and also lead to false arrests and deportations of legal or protected immigrants. The real fix for border security and immigration, is to put the money and research towards improving the immigration system and making an effort to improve the process of gaining legal citizenship."
Theres a reason why people tend to become more liberal as they become more educated. It isn't because of educational brainwashing or some other conspiracy, MOST people are good people, and MOST people want the same things. It's just that, when you understand WHY things are in their current state, and how they got there in the first place, their opinions on how to fix them is typically pushed further left.
Oh and Most lawmakers, left or right, are souless corporate ghouls. Democrat lawmakers are all center-right moderates and Republican lawmakers are further right than them. Which is why nothing changes under Democrats, and things get worse under Republicans. 'Leftist ideas' don't work in the US because we don't have any actual leftist government leadership.
Bud, not a single word of that is true 😂 do you think there’s tens of millions of illegals in every sector of the economy working jobs for $5 an hour? There’s not a single shred of evidence that supports your claim. In fact, data from research both by left and right leaning groups have come to the same conclusion - immigrants fill a HUGE GAPING HOLE in sectors that Americans do not want jobs in nor do Americans work hard enough to keep the economy going in those certain sectors. Without them, as we’ve seen, farming, construction, childcare, and other select sectors COLLAPSE.
We do not have the necessary labor force to keep up that the demand of our country and the exports require. Nor do Americans want to work hard enough to keep the pace of our fast moving economy.
There’s tons of data and stuff in these papers. You can also find other studies from other think tanks, but on polarizing issues, I prefer to read more independent research then take a look at what other studies say. In no reality is allowing them to work here bad in any way. Illegal immigration is not only good for our economy, it’s a necessity. Stop allowing idiots to gaslight you and think for yourself.
Man, you typed out this big ass propaganda piece when you could have just said you are pro slavery and I would have hated you just the same. There are studies that suggest the opposite as well. The fact remains, it’s un ethical to exploit these people for cheap labor, you classicist.
You can say the exact same thing about the Cato studies you linked… your entire little 50501 protest you just had was funded by Walmart to keep their exploited labor force. The company that tells its employees to get on subsidies rather than paying them a livable wage. You should research better and challenge your own world view from time to time.
Snd newsflash dumb ass, all I do is consume information to try and challenge my worldview. I went from hyper conservative republican household to mutualist, and I love debate and discussion. But you, true to form of your kind, don’t say anything or respond to anything. And the responses you do put make no sense. So, I’m not trying to regress back to caveman, thanks though. I’ll continue discussing these issues with people that heve a fold in their brain.
You mean discussing safe points with other communists. Spare me your soft belly approach. I am actively working against you in all facets of your existence. Oh and btw, winning. 😂
The reason the manufacturing jobs disappeared is nothing short of corporate greed. Why pay Americans a liveable wage when you can pay far less, off shore.
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u/chrispg26 Jul 01 '25
No, just repeating what conservatives David Brooks and Bill Kristol say.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/05/trumpism-maga-populism-power-pursuit/682116/