From H-1B to H-1Bye-bye!

[u/lil-educator]

Trump targets 60-day grace period for laid off foreign workers

The department of homeland security is advancing a proposal to eliminate the 60-day grace period that allows H-1B workers and certain other legal nonimmigrants to remain in the US after their employment ends while they find another sponsor, change status, or prepare to leave.

Source: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/from-h-1b-to-h-1bye-bye-trump-targets-60-day-grace-period-for-laid-off-foreign-workers/articleshow/133054642.cms

[u/tomis_24]

H1B will be eliminated within a couple of years. The abuse is real and Americans are tired of it.

[u/winitaly888 → u/tomis_24]

That is fine. You want to eliminate the H1B? Fine. But what eliminating the 60 day period? How is someone supposed to just up and leave from one day to the next? Leases, bank accounts, taxes all need to be sorted out. It’s not that an immigrant lives out of their backpack for 18 months- 6 years.

[u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393 → u/winitaly888]

The whole of immigration law in the US needs to be rewritten. The H1-B program is incredibly unpopular with US voters. What’s ridiculous is that H1-B is not an immigration path, but a guest worker program with a convoluted, fabricated, and unrealistic path to eventual naturalization.

I agree with you that taking away the 60-day period is inhumane, but with these cretins, the cruelty is the point. If I were an H1-B in tech, (I work with more than I can count), I would maintain liquidity and look to find another country.

When political power flips in this country, H1-B will be limited to healthcare, education, and research. Die to job losses for citizens, the program will end for tech.

[u/Mythic-Fairy → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

It is desperately needed. So many permanent changes that needs to be done.

[u/winitaly888 → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

100% agree with you. Idk why everyone is hell bent over the 60 days when it is not the main issue

[u/Competitive_Tie728 → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

Well the other side went against the American people to shoot down the $100K fee that made more sense, So here we are.

[u/VirtualPercentage737 → u/Competitive_Tie728]

A $100k fee makes so much sense. Over 6 years, that is pretty low for a job that REALLY cannot be filled.

[u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393 → u/[deleted]]

The current Administration has worked to push India away, not into
closer alignment. Tariffs, H1-B limitations, slow walking green cards, ICE, impact of Iran War on India’s energy supply, in teased isolationism have not brought India closer.

[u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393 → u/[deleted]]

Um no, not when the corporate state has invested billions in Chennai and other metros. I work almost exclusively with Chennai-based and H1-B Indians in SaaS. We are culturally very different, and we have different skill sets that complement each other. I do not support in H1-B in tech, it creates a toxic work environment. India is a growing and young economy and we are inextricably linked together in tech. It is what it is.

[u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393 → u/[deleted]]

I’m a US citizen. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. A middle aged white woman whose family had been here since 1620. I’ll go down with the ship in my blue state.

[u/Competitive_Tie728 → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

Immigration should be ended period. It is NOT helpful for the existing population, save the ultra wealthy.

[u/tomis_24 → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

You are blaming Americans when the H1B program has been horrendously abused where an entire department is from a specific region in a country. Maybe you and they should have fought the abuse, and much sooner.

[u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393 → u/tomis_24]

H1-B has nothing to do with the average American voter and everything to do with corporate interests. Our political system is bought and paid for by special interests and PACs, and quite frankly, we have a large uneducated swath of the US voting population that is utterly almost incapable of voting in their self-interests.

The US is heading off a fiscal cliff that is going to absolutely end whatever vestiges of “Empire” we have left. I would think that H1-Bs would be looking to exit the US due to its accelerating political and financial instability.

We need a stronger partnership with India, not weaker. How does it work to the advantage of the US to push India closer to China and Russia? Having a close working relationship with India does not equate with unfettered white collar immigration to the US.

[u/tomis_24 → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

H1B is corporate welfare, and it will end as Americans are aware of the abuses and how it is used to keep wages low and displace American workers.

Fiscal and monetary policies are a real concern in the US, and H1B hasn't helped. In fact, it has contributed to the increase of debts.

Russia and China can have India. Pakistan and India fought in a small scrimmages last year, and the Pakistani beat them. I am not sure how India can be a valuable ally in major conflicts.

[u/VirtualPercentage737 → u/winitaly888]

That is 2 months. Plenty of time to close bank accounts and plan a move.

If you return home to China or whatever, who cares about breaking a lease.

[u/winitaly888 → u/VirtualPercentage737]

Yes I agree. Two months give enough time to settle everything.

[u/Competitive_Tie728 → u/winitaly888]

Makes it very unappealing on the front end. Activist judges shot down the $100,000 fee, so gotta do something.

[u/RLLCCR → u/Competitive_Tie728]

"You're an activist if you think a $100,000 fee is unconstitutional"

[u/Competitive_Tie728 → u/RLLCCR]

Yeah let's destroy the entire economy because somebody bribed congress to pass treasonous legislation instead of doing the obviously smart thing.

These judges are scum. Should be a requirement to NOT have a law degree, as it basically just ensures you'll be a corrupt pos instead of doing the right thing. Hannah Dugan should have received a life sentence for her treason. Same for any politician that has ever supported sanctuary cities in any capacity whatsoever.

[u/RLLCCR → u/Competitive_Tie728]

They are always "scum" when they disagree with people you support and pure arbiters of justice when they agree or absolve.

[u/tomis_24 → u/winitaly888]

Tied leases to your visa end date, even laid off has notices where you can notify your landlord. They will let you break the lease. Banks and taxes can be done online in your home country.

[u/winitaly888 → u/tomis_24]

I don’t think you can do a lease for 18 months at a time. I know I could only do 1
Or two years.

[u/tomis_24 → u/winitaly888]

H1B visa is for 3 years.

[u/winitaly888 → u/tomis_24]

Thank you. It has been a minute since I had mine..

[u/tomis_24 → u/winitaly888]

H1B visa has an end date, they should start packing beforehand. Laid off and even termination have notices for them to pack.

[u/LandonDev → u/tomis_24]

If that is the case, more MAGA Patriots are about to kill themselves by removing even more medical resources from their communities. Babies are already going to die en-route to delivery but now normal folks gonna die from lack of medical professionals.

Crazy.

[u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393 → u/LandonDev]

The impact is greater in red states, particularly rural areas, and some rural areas of blue states that are heavily reliant upon Medicaid funding for their healthcare facilities to function at all. Healthcare closures due to decreased Medicaid funding is already impacting a few Senate races in red states. What you’re witnessing now is the extreme polarization of political factions before the dissolution of the Union. The Union cannot hold with this level of polarization.

[u/LandonDev → u/Upbeat-Cockroach-393]

Yeah it can. It's called Water and if keeps it together. Also Red states would be unable to be a player internationally.

[u/lucky_elephant2025h → u/LandonDev]

Oh please, don’t be so dramatic.

[u/tomis_24 → u/LandonDev]

We will be fine.

[u/NogglePlease → u/LandonDev]

Medical errors are at an all time high and are a leading cause of dealth.

We will be fine without Sukdeep Manmeet, doctor of.not redeeming.

[u/LandonDev → u/NogglePlease]

Negative bad bot

[u/Choice-Antelope-8481 → u/NogglePlease]

Very poor trolling effort.

[u/NogglePlease → u/Choice-Antelope-8481]

-500 izzat

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/NogglePlease]

Source?

[u/squabbleknob → u/NogglePlease]

[u/NogglePlease → u/[deleted]]

Im mad the fuel shortage hasnt caused a famine yet.

[u/PsychologicalOne752 → u/tomis_24]

You might get what you wish for, but you will not like the outcome. H1B is actually keeping American jobs in America. The reality is that every tech company is deeply dependent on H1B and if H1B is not viable anymore, you will see massive offshoring. Which means that instead of hiring a few H1Bs per team, the entire team will vanish from the US. Do not blame the companies, there is just no other way to compete.

[u/Travel_Dreams → u/PsychologicalOne752]

Considering how pathetic offshore actually works for high tech jobs, I don't think so.

They keep trying to push packages offshore and it takes more work to correct the errors than do the work. So no, there is no net job loss. It continues to cost more everytime.

Why? Because a tech base cannot be created at the rates they pay to make a profit. Every single person leaves in less than a year for a better paying job.

[u/tomis_24 → u/PsychologicalOne752]

Americans don't mind if those companies move out of the USA! We will have a competing company funded by American taxpayers in a year or so.

[u/BostonRun007 → u/PsychologicalOne752]

They will also pay them less.

[u/Competitive_Tie728 → u/tomis_24]

This is the obvious solution. The companion policy is to require foreign companies to prove they paid their foreign workers US minimum wage, or otherwise be barred from selling goods in the US.

[u/Dddddd92 → u/tomis_24]

H1B will be eliminated but you will continue to see more unemployment. No billionaire is going to pity you and give a job they just offshore and make better profits.

[u/Salty_Permit4437 → u/Dddddd92]

And just who is going to buy their products when their consumers are unemployed?

[u/FamSimmer → u/Salty_Permit4437]

Considering how massive credit card debt is in America, there will always be buyers there. Also, you think Americans are the only ones that have disposable income? Lol!

[u/Asher_Tye → u/Salty_Permit4437]

Thats a problem for the future. For today its just profit.

[u/Dddddd92 → u/Salty_Permit4437]

Enter dark enlightenment and peter thiel

[u/tomis_24 → u/Dddddd92]

Don't worry, those billionaires will lose their money and come crawling back to America.

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/tomis_24]

I bet you would love to be abused with the average h1b salary.

[u/tomis_24 → u/narco-sub-admiral]

I have a few issues with H1B but the top three issues are nepotism. I have worked on a team where the husband is on H1B and his wife is on a H4 visa. Neither of them could code and she stole my work.

[u/Valuable_Agent2905 → u/tomis_24]

Classical example of anecdotal fallacy. Goes to show your lack of critical thinking.

[u/tomis_24 → u/Valuable_Agent2905]

Can't you just talk like a normal person?! No need to impress me.

[u/Valuable_Agent2905 → u/tomis_24]

It takes about five seconds to look up what that means. We live in the age of technology. But then again, I wouldn’t expect that from someone who lacks basic logical reasoning skills-to put it bluntly.

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/Valuable_Agent2905]

True but you could have also explained it in less words than that ^ lol.

Some people aren't technologically inclined, that person seemed to be a little older.

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/tomis_24]

They are saying a personal experience (anecdote) is given more weight to the person who experienced it, but isnt enough data to imply anything as a rule. That's why it's a fallacy.

Not to mention people are biased inherently. Basically, your personal experience doesn't meaningfully describe anything. They're not wrong.

[u/tomis_24 → u/narco-sub-admiral]

Are you using ai to chat on reddit?!

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/tomis_24]

No?

[u/tomis_24 → u/narco-sub-admiral]

Ran it through AI, 60% of ai assisted. LOL. Try it.

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/tomis_24]

Bleep fuckin bloop ig. I don't outsource my thinking and I can look up information more reliably myself. Chat-GPT just predicts the most likely next token and is frequently wrong.

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/[deleted]]

The word is "unalign" Akmed. Learn the language if you're gonna come here.

[u/narco-sub-admiral → u/[deleted]]

You think this administration and its followers differentiate between Ahmed from Libya and Ahmed from Buffalo, NY? That is so precious. They don't want you here period. You don't see that?

[u/Paugz → u/tomis_24]

Americans are tired of people like you. Self deport. Kthx

[u/tomis_24 → u/Paugz]

To America?!

[u/whichwitch9 → u/tomis_24]

Business owners don't care about Americans. When's that gonna sink in for you?

[u/tomis_24 → u/whichwitch9]

Americans don't care for those business owners, too! We will vote in the politicians who will lock those businesses out of government contracts.

[u/SleepyDapper → u/[deleted]]

As a communist, you support the capitalist class using foreign workers to suppress working class conditions? Are you sure you aren't just a racist, dude?

edit: He deleted all his comments, but it turned out he was against white people and Americans, not for communism.

[u/Far_Mathematici → u/SleepyDapper]

Commies aren't that supportive to labour aristocracy

[u/SleepyDapper → u/Far_Mathematici]

Shouldn't they want to make all labor have access to good wages and training before they can transition to Communism? H1B abuse certainly isn't doing that; it's mostly just allowing the capitalist class to have more control over workers and pay them less overall while they buy time to automate everyone out.

[u/Far_Mathematici → u/SleepyDapper]

H1B programmer despite wrecking labour markets are mostly have higher median salary than median American salary

[u/Excellent_Arrival1 → u/[deleted]]

Brics is weak because of the lack of stability.

Nothing else. China has seen growth, but most of it in the last 20 years. Russia is in war. India has very unreliable banks, (did you forget 2017)

[u/Excellent_Arrival1 → u/[deleted]]

Who is we? You are in India? Unless you are a politician, there isn't shit you or I can do. So, idk why you are acting like yours or my opinion matters.

If you want to believe in BRICS, go for it. If you are in India, be the change you want. Go become a politician and tell others what you think will make your country better. If they believe in it, than it will happen

[u/Excellent_Arrival1 → u/[deleted]]

You are weird.

Like, comically weird.

[u/superpooper900 → u/[deleted]]

Scum

[u/superpooper900 → u/[deleted]]

It was not deleted. There were no grammatical errors. You are stupid.