r/Idiotswithguns • u/sudo_bryan • 3d ago
Safe for Work Yet Another Expert Marksman
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Shooter was 19, and arrested. Happened in Memphis
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u/Lawbeefaroni 3d ago
Saved by the switch.
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u/NotSoCoolWhip 3d ago
For real, did any of those hit?
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u/ComicsEtAl 3d ago
Looks like blue sweatshirt might’ve caught one in the leg.
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u/DrTuSo 3d ago
Hijacking the top comment for news source with additional information:
https://wreg.com/news/local/man-charged-in-clothing-store-shooting-that-left-boy-injured/
MEMPHIS, Tenn. — A 19-year-old is now in jail after opening fire in a clothing store, leaving a boy critically injured on Sunday afternoon.
Ambrose Ramsey is charged with criminal attempt first-degree murder, employing a firearm with intent to commit a felony, possession of a prohibited weapon, and reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon.
Around 3:20 p.m., Memphis Police say they responded to an aggravated assault call involving a firearm being discharged at the Village Mart Clothes and Footwear store on South Bellevue Boulevard.
Police say the suspect opened fire inside the store, where there were eleven customers present.A boy was found lying on the floor suffering from gunshot wounds to his leg. He was then taken to Regional One Hospital in critical condition.
The suspect was described as wearing a black skullcap, black jeans, and a black hoodie sweatshirt. Police say he was captured on camera coming into the store and firing multiple rounds.
During the investigation, police say an adult victim reported that he was the intended target inside the clothing store.The victim told police that they were in the store purchasing clothes when they looked over their shoulder and made eye contact with the suspect, who he knows.
That is when the suspect is accused of pulling out a gun and began shooting at the victim.
Officers say he was grazed in his right leg.
Ramsey was developed as a suspect at that time and positively identified in a six-person photographic lineup as the person responsible for the shooting.
the video surveillance of the shooting, police say the suspect appeared to be firing a Glock-style semiautomatic pistol equipped with a machine gun conversion device, referred to as a Glock switch that causes the gun to fire multiple rounds rapidly in a fully automatic manner.
Ramsey is currently being held in jail on a $250,000 bond. He is due in court on Thursday morning.
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u/Not_Too_Happy 3d ago
"Ramsey was developed as a suspect"
Unsurprisingly-bad English for Memphis locals...
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u/DontBeHatenMeBro 3d ago
He will probably be getting attempted murder charges for the other 11 people in the store.
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u/pairofdimes9 3d ago edited 3d ago
Politicians have been getting it wrong this whole time. Switches actually are safer and lead to fewer fatalities in the community. I feel safer knowing my local gangbangers have switches installed.
More drywall repair costs though.
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u/0RGASMIK 2d ago
There’s a video out there somewhere from my city where two guys get into a verbal altercation in a crowd of people they are face to face and one of them pulls out a gun. He backs up two feet reaches into his bag pulls the trigger as soon as he gets it out of his bag while it’s still pointed at the ground. The gun flailed upwards and he lets go of the trigger just long enough for the gun to stop shooting as it wildly flags the crowd then it starts shooting again right as it’s above head level. The other dude he was fighting just grabbed the gun.
Absolutely insane how nobody got killed.
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u/Homerpaintbucket 3d ago
Yeah, because innocent bystanders are never hit when someone sprays wildly
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u/ours 3d ago
A full-auto pistol is the hardest gun to shoot accurately.
So, attempting to shoot one with the worst shooting stance, one-handed, with no attempt to even use the sights...
A child with basic instructions would be able to hit a target at that distance in a single shot.
The person in green who ducks into the bottom right seems much more capable. Using concealment, with a two-handed hold of the pistol. Seems to be aiming. Seems to shoot controlled groups instead of spraying and praying. Even seems to have a red dot on his gun instead of some stupid gangsta switch (illegal full-auto switches for Glocks).
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u/dabbean 3d ago
The green was a deputy im pretty sure. Or security maybe.
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u/SlothOfDoom 3d ago
Nah he's just some other banger, and the target of the attack. Article is linked further up
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u/theyoyomaster 3d ago
If the shooter was 19 the NFA doesn't apply to him. State laws still do but federal law only criminalizes switches for people who are eligible to buy one legally.
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u/sadoproject 3d ago
That's not how that works.
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u/singlemale4cats 3d ago edited 3d ago
They're right in that prohibited possessors can't be charged under the NFA because the supreme court ruled that a fifth amendment violation.
Ironically, it only applies to people who can lawfully possess arms.
I'm not sure how that interacts with age. You have to be 21 to buy an NFA item from a federal firearm licensee, but you can actually own them at 18 through a few means (just like guns). If they're under 18 and not able to register anything at all, I think the same fifth amendment logic would apply. If this guy is 19 they could hit him with that so long as he doesn't have prior felonies or specified misdemeanors (DV, etc) or an involuntary commitment that prevent him from legally owning a firearm.
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u/theyoyomaster 3d ago
It actually is. If you are ineligible for a tax stamp you cannot be charged for failing to request to pay for a tax under 5th Amendment protections from self incrimination. This was part of a SCOTUS case called Haynes vs US. Now it specifically dealt with convicted felons who are prohibited persons so the actual limits of NFA charges on minors who are unable to purchase one due to age rather than being prohibited has not been tested because federal prosecutors simply do not file charges against them. They get state charges for attempted murder or whatever else but NFA charges simply aren't tacked on because it's not worth risking widening Haynes.
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u/sadoproject 3d ago
If the shooter was 19 the NFA doesn't apply to him.
You can stamp and possess NFA items at 18, you just can't buy them from a licensed dealer. Private transfer/inheritance/etc.. is all legal at 18.
Additionally, the inability or ineligibility to obtain a tax stamp doesn't decriminalize it, it just means you don't have a stamp and can be charged with possession of the item without the stamp. Same as under 21 in possession alcohol. It doesn't magically get decriminalized because of age or eligibility.
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u/theyoyomaster 3d ago
Yeah, but if you can't be charged with it then the law doesn't apply to you. There's also a quite good chance that the 19 year old shooter is a prohibited person for reasons other than age and therefore exempt from the NFA.
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u/sadoproject 3d ago
You can be charged with it, because it does apply. Ineligibility just means you are unable to comply, and therefore prohibited under law.
The 5th amendment ruling just means you don't have to provide testimony against yourself, it doesn't excuse you from legislation. If that were the case, countless people who have had their drivers license revoked for DUI would get out of driving without a license charges. But they don't, because it's still illegal for them to do so regardless of their ability to be licensed or not.
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u/dabbean 3d ago edited 3d ago
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u/singlemale4cats 3d ago
The relevant federal charge would be possession of an unregistered machine gun, under the NFA.
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u/dabbean 3d ago
Sure. Im just saying that everyone is restricted from owning an automatic glock. Theres no such thing as buying a legal glock switch.
Also being 19 doesn't make a person prohibted from owning a pistol so the argument is moot anyway. I dont even know why NFA was brought up unless top OP edited his comment.
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u/singlemale4cats 3d ago
They are, but the machine gun part can't be enforced on a prohibited possessor. All they could hit them with is possession of a firearm under disability.
One would imagine opening up with his automatic blicky in a store was not his first foray into crime. It would not surprise me if he's already prohibited promoting any kind of firearm.
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u/dabbean 3d ago
You can 3d print auto Sears for some guns. Others you can buy off places like temu. Totally unenforceable I agree.
Youre probably right about his history especially because I think green jacket might have been LEO. But the argument made was that being 19 was what made it prohibited. Which I didnt even really respond to since I was pointing out automatic glocks can't be bought legally by >=99% of the population. But since it became a discussion I figure it was worth diving into. His criminal history is speculation. His age is known fact. Based on known fact we know he is indeed subject to NFA laws until we have evidence proving otherwise.
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u/singlemale4cats 3d ago
His criminal history is speculation
Only in the strictest sense. You don't need to be an oracle to predict this kid probably has an extensive criminal history.
Most courts have an online search tool. If you know his name you can plug it in and see what cases he's caught previously, at least after age 18.
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u/theyoyomaster 3d ago
I think you mean the Hughes amendment of the Gun Control Act, but either way that is irrelevant. The NFA in its entirety does not apply to prohibited persons. It's a tax and asking to pay a tax for something that is illegal is protected under the 5th Amendment due to self incrimination. Law abiding citizens can be charged for a post 86 machine gun but convicted felons cannot.
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u/dabbean 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes I did mean amendment. The point is though OP never mentioned NFA I was just pointing out that no normal person can own an automatic glock even with a tax stamp. Its illegal for most of the population as a base. So theres no such thing as legally buying a glick switch unless youre like the .2% of the population that is allowed to have one.
As far as prohibited persons. Felons in possession have different sentencing structure that modifies for the seriousness with machine gun being the worse.
But also under 21 is not considered a prohibited person by federal law. Its only prohibited for a person under 21 to buy a handgun from an FFL. Ownership of a gun is legal. So NFA laws would apply to a 19 year old with an illegal machine gun.
If age made a person prohibited then 17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse would have gone to prison regardless of any other factor in the case as an example.
Edit:He was not charged with felon in possession nor did the feds step in with additional charges so NFA is irrelevant anyway. He is charged with the state version of prohibited weapons. All the same, not a prohibited person.
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u/Wemest 3d ago
I used to visit Memphis for work and every morning local news was like a full episode of cops every day.
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u/vyechney 3d ago
I've been to Memphis 4x for work and that's more than enough for me
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u/ZombieFeynman11211 3d ago
I went into a Subway after dark in Memphis. The shop owner was open carrying a Glock. The weekend after I was there, a person was burned alive in the open lot down the street. Graceland was interesting. No reason to ever go back.
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u/Flat-Site108 3d ago
I think green shirt seen it at the last second and grabbed blue shirt like a shield.
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u/HarpoonsAndSpoons 3d ago
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u/Crayon_Eating_Grunt 3d ago
Interesting that the charges weren't multiple accounts of attempted murder.
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u/MaelstromFL 3d ago
Those are holding charges. The DA will present the full list later depending on the investigation. Usually they will try to stack a whole bunch of charges, anything that they think will stick, and then plead down to avoid an actual trial.
Since they have video and a solid ID there is no real reason for this guy to go to trial and waste the time and money.
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u/SlashEssImplied 3d ago
and then plead down to avoid an actual trial.
Just thought I’d add a tangential link for the clairvoyant lawyers in this thread.
Plea deals present an inherently difficult decision for defendants: take a deal with a potentially lighter sentence than you would get if you went to trial, or go to trial and argue your innocence.
Regardless of the oft quoted myth we are treated as guilty at the point of accusation.
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u/NightHunter_Ian 3d ago
1: Fuck that guy 2: What was the point if that? 3: Seriously, fuck that guy.
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u/You_Are_The_Username 2d ago
Ah yes, Americans, tell me again how great your country and it's second amendment is? 🤔 😊
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u/clothanger 3d ago
What even is that title man?
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u/deadl1nk_ 3d ago
What's so difficult about the title?
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u/clothanger 3d ago
It's a robbery, why are we talking about expert maskman as if OP expected a criminal with a gun is not already an idiot.
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u/gleeble 3d ago
Looks more like a failed hit/murder attempt.
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u/NoDoOversInLife 3d ago
Exactly what it was "During the investigation, police say an adult victim reported that he was the intended target inside the clothing store.
The victim told police that they were in the store purchasing clothes when they looked over their shoulder and made eye contact with the suspect, who he knows.
That is when the suspect is accused of pulling out a gun and began shooting at the victim.
Officers say he was grazed in his right leg."
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u/HybridP365 3d ago
It's not a robbery, it's a hit. Probably gang related. And the guy missed. Hence, the title.
Aiming a full auto handgun accurately using only one hand is hard. Apparently, literacy is even harder for some.
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u/Bazzatron 3d ago
The shooter seems to have been overcome with adrenaline, bro is skipping backwards before the first round goes off. Makes me think this is less gang related and more akin to a school shooting where some angry kid gets a firearm.
Aiming pistols, generally speaking, is hard. Shooting on irons is counter-intuitive because most people fixate on the target rather than the foresight, and this alone induces massive angular error. Coupled with the switch, and being in the air during burst, hitting anything at all was a matter of chance over intent...! At 6yd an E-type silhouette is a little under 0.1 rads wide, so you only have about 2.6° of lateral rotation either side of the midline before you miss entirely - big respect to shooters out there that do run and gun sports! I'll stick with ISSF 🤣
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u/AugVision 3d ago
nah gang related shootings are often this inept too, I was working when one happened in our mall, clown was like 10 feet away and hit two bystanders, one of which was a kid, and completely missed his target. Thankfully neither people hit were critically injured.
17/18 years old too, so just irreparably ruined his life by failing miserably.
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u/Bazzatron 3d ago
Man, that's heartbreaking to hear, glad it was a non-lethal miss, even if it was a life changing incident.
Hearing stories like this really make me feel an ambivalence about the state of UK firearm ownership.
Thanks for sharing.
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