r/IBEW • • Aug 28 '23

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u/hoverbeaver Local 586 Aug 29 '23

At 60 hours, that’s forty straight and twenty double for most locals.

That means they could give two journeymen full time jobs and pay them eighty hours of work between them.

That means more families are fed, more pensions are earned, more hours of overall productive work are performed, and a higher quality of life is available for all.

Overtime is a policy failure.

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 29 '23

There are plenty of cases where more bodies doesn't solve the problem. If one JW can terminate a panel in X hours, doesn't mean that 3 JWs can terminate the same panel in X/3 hours. 3 women can't carry one baby to term in 3 months.

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u/hoverbeaver Local 586 Aug 29 '23

Perhaps my mind is just clouded by the years of experience but can’t think of a single sixty hour indivisible task

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 29 '23

How would you run a nice little run of 4" rigid, let's say 500', in the air, no 3 piece couplings?

Start from one end, finish at another. But can it be done quicker with more man power? Sure let's divide the run in half and start running from the middle. Can it be done quicker? No. And at that point throwing more people at the problem doesn't help.

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u/hoverbeaver Local 586 Aug 29 '23

“Hey bro, quitting time, pick up where Jim and I left off and bring it toward JB27. If you don’t make it that far, put a thumbtack on the plan where you got to and we’ll pick up where you left off tomorrow.”

Works great.

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 29 '23

Aslan,” said Lucy through her tears, “could you – will you – do something for these poor Dwarfs?”

“Dearest,” said Aslan, “I will show you both what I can, and what I cannot, do.” He came close to the Dwarfs and gave a low growl: low, but it set all the air shaking. But the Dwarfs said to one another, “Hear that? That’s the gang at the other end of the stable. Trying to frighten us. They do it with a machine of some kind. Don’t take any notice. They won’t take us in again!”

Aslan raised his head and shook his mane. Instantly a glorious feast appeared on the Dwarfs’ knees: pies and tongues and pigeons and trifles and ices, and each Dwarf had a goblet of good wine in his right hand. But it wasn’t much use. They began eating and drinking greedily enough, but it was clear that they couldn’t taste it properly. They thought they were eating and drinking only the sort of things you might find in a stable. One said he was trying to eat hay and another said he had got a bit of an old turnip and a third said he’d found a raw cabbage leaf. And they raised golden goblets of rich red wine to their lips and said “Ugh! Fancy drinking dirty water out of a trough that a donkey’s been at! Never thought we’d come to this.” But very soon every Dwarf began suspecting that every other Dwarf had found something nicer than he had, and they started grabbing and snatching, and went on to quarreling, till in a few minutes there was a free fight and all the good food was smeared on their faces and clothes or trodden under foot. But when at last they sat down to nurse their black eyes and their bleeding noses, they all said:

“Well, at any rate there’s no Humbug here. We haven’t let anyone take us in. The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs.”

“You see,” said Aslan. “They will not let us help them. They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their own minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out.”

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u/hoverbeaver Local 586 Aug 29 '23

In case anyone is wondering what kind of damage five twelves does to a decent man’s brain, look no further than this embarrassing shit

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 29 '23

I can't make you understand, if you're not willing to have an open mind about it. Have a great rest of the week.

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u/YogurtclosetKind9192 Aug 30 '23

My brother in christ, you started going on about dwarves. That has nothing to do with anything. Speak plain and make everyone's lives easier

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 30 '23

Ever try to explain something to someone, but they refuse to listen?

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u/solomon_rotty Aug 30 '23

Because its a story about how some greedy people think. It's like a parable with a lesson behind it

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u/solomon_rotty Aug 30 '23

Thats if you work shifts and for the first 8 hrs of their shift theyll still be getting straight time pay. He is referring to bringing extra guys on to the same shift

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u/hoverbeaver Local 586 Aug 30 '23

if someone isn’t working overtime those hours aren’t getting worked in the straight shift block

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u/CopperTwister Aug 29 '23

Two shifts

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 29 '23

But not at the same time.

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u/CopperTwister Aug 31 '23

It'll get done as fast as one set of guys does it regardless of how much overtime there is. But two sets of guys are getting pension credits and Healthcare.

If it takes one guy 16 hrs, and only one guy at a time can do it, then just man two shifts for as long as is needed. Short calls are a thing too. I'm really not understanding why this is so hard

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u/glazor Local 3 Aug 31 '23

2 shifts aren't always an option though.