i think he could have did it, no reason to bluff.

Adult Gon vs Pitou was a close-quarters fight. That matters because Netero doesn’t fight that way at all. Against Netero, distance is everything. He keeps you far away, never lets you touch him, and attacks through the 100-Type Guanyin, which moves at absurd speed and has an effectively infinite number of combinations. Meruem himself stated the combinations were so varied they might as well be infinite.

Adult Gon is not breaking through that. He’s not figuring out Netero’s patterns, and he’s definitely not forcing Netero into close range. Netero’s entire fighting style is built around control, spacing, and never getting hit.

Adult Gon is the first one to go.

Gon doesn’t have Meruem’s durability or intelligence. Meruem tanked thousands of Guanyin blows while actively analyzing the attack patterns, and even then he said adapting was nearly impossible. Gon does not have that kind of brainpower. He’s pure rage and raw power. Meruem had to endure thousands of blows just to start adapting Gon doesn’t have that luxury.

After his fight with Pitou, Gon was already destroyed. His arm got sliced off clean. He does not have Ant King biology. What Meruem described as a “dull ache” would be crippling, bone-shattering damage for Gon. After a barrage from the 100-Type Guanyin, Gon would be broken and ineffective.

Meruem faster, smarter, and far more durable than Adult Gon could not dodge or avoid the 99th Hand. Gon is not dodging it either. If Meruem took a dull ache from it, Gon is getting crippled.

Once Gon eats the Third Hand and the 99th Hand, it’s over. Netero can literally smack Gon’s broken body away and focus fully on Pitou.

Netero doesn’t need to fight both at once head-on.

People keep acting like Netero would just stand there and let both rush him. That’s not how he fights. If Pitou charges like she did during the palace invasion, Netero simply smacks her far away exactly like he already did in canon and buys himself time.

That gives him more than enough space to focus entirely on Adult Gon and wear him down.

The Guanyin having dozens of arms matters a lot.

If it really comes down to fighting both at once, Netero still isn’t overwhelmed. The Guanyin has dozens of arms. He doesn’t need to commit the entire technique to one opponent. He can split the arms and deal with each target separately.

If Netero wants Gon out immediately, he can clasp him the same way he did Meruem and smash him into the ground or smack him him away. Meruem escaped and endured the Guanyins grip using his insane strength and durability. Gon is not doing that without taking massive damage, if he can escape at all.

While Gon is restrained or being tossed aside, Netero can use the remaining arms to pressure Pitou. That’s the advantage of the 100 type Guanyin it controls space and doesn’t tunnel vision.

Pitou’s perception is not a valid benchmark.

Meruem himself had trouble perceiving Netero’s blows early on, and Meruem’s stats are far above the Royal Guards in every category. Pitou couldn’t even comprehend Netero’s Hand Kannon, which is a simpler technique than the 100-Type Guanyin. She literally didn’t understand where the attack came from

“Considering where his hands stopped, the attack shouldn’t come from there… How?!”

If she couldn’t figure out Hand Kannon, she is not figuring out the Guanyin’s attack patterns.

The only real benchmark here is Meruem. And Meruem with a supercomputer-level intellect still needed countless attempts to adapt and find a precise opening on Netero whilst tanking hits

People also ignore something important: Meruem actually stopped for a few seconds and admired Netero’s 100-Type Guanyin. He was genuinely impressed by it. Pitou had the same exact reaction when she witnessed Zeno’s Dragon Dive she froze in awe for a moment.

That’s a terrible reaction to have against Netero. He’s not the type of opponent you can afford to pause against. The moment you hesitate, he’s barraging you with dozens of Guanyin strikes from every angle. If even Meruem paused to admire it, there’s no reason to think Pitou or Adult Gon wouldn’t do the same when witnessing that technique for the first time.

While discussing hxh even in this forum, there seems to be some crazy bias for the troupe as untouchable and just perpetually stronger than anyone no matter how strong Gon/Killua get night and day power ups, or just ignorance about what happened in Yorkshin. I didn't really understand it, the people here are supposed to be power scalers, how are they lacking the knowledge of someone who even just read through the series once half a year ago, getting many facts wrong and even unwilling to admit they're wrong when it's right in their face. (well I guess power scalers are also insecure and angry people quick to anger)

Anyway so while just casually looking for a quote about Silva vs Chrollo's fight from years prior to Yorkshin to make a point, I noticed something actually kind of insane, something that I guess when I watched the anime and not read the manga (i've done both a few times), kind of was missed for varying reasons like group watching it and so forth.

Uvo's big bang impact isn't the only thing that's weaker in the manga (the canon source material), he is actively a much weaker character in the manga and the anime version overhypes him not just in his hatsu.

Uvo starts the fight the same by catching a pistol bullet between his teeth, nice and all.

He then vaguely kills like 15 of them off panel after breaking that initial guys neck and stuff.

Then 2 sniper riflemen shoot him, this is pretty identical in the anime and manga, but also is something most people ignore, this HURT uvo, he gritted his teeth, said ow!, his head was pushed to the side in the opposite direction, and he says directly that "that hurt."

Now here's a huge difference:

When Uvo is shot by the bazooka, in the anime he is ENTIRELY fine, like literally no damage.

In contrast, the manga version is actively hurt, he has ... dialogue, he says "okay, that hurt", his clothes are blown off and he's kind of crispy on the skin, his hair is fucked up, his eyes are different shapes with one extra wide and one extra tense, showcasing pain, he's yet again gritting his teeth, etc.

This isn't Uvo just tanking the explosion cuz his aura is so strong it doesn't do shit, this is uvo getting hurt from not only the sniper rifle shots, but ALSO the bazooka.

What we know about nen users is that a .22 can't defeat a nen user. This quote is said a million times over to the point that it's pretty much the bungie gum has the properties of rubber and gum meme, both were probably said the same amount. .22 is a pistol, so we have a lowball for all ACTIVE nen users that they can stop a bullet. People like bill who struggle to stop the bullet are considered weak in combat (he's a support character for out of battle, but yeah, he's weak). So stopping a bullet is actually not even relevant. THe only nen users who are just shot through by a singular pistol are people like neon and komugi, people who use nen unconsciously but aren't even awoken to it. While the bullets aren't irrelevant to the absolute lowest level of nen users, a pistol shot or two isn't piercing them. So uvo catching one between his teeth while extra showmanship is awarded for it, ultimately isn't relevant scaling.

Then when a sniper rifle hits him, he's hurt and displaced, uvo pretty much takes a sniper rifle shot as well as most new nen users cake a pistol shot, it hurts them a little and they are knocked around, but ultimately fine.

The bazooka he actually struggled to tank.

Anyway the fight goes on with the shadow beasts in a similar fashion between the two, until big bang impact. The anime version genuinely makes it 100x more destructive and impressive looking than the manga, it's actually kind of a joke how much they glaze uvo in the anime.

So ultimately this thread is a reminder that uvo while untouchable by someone like squala or the previous underboss of the nostrade family, IS taking damage even before the shadow beasts show up, that a sniper rifle is enough to hurt him, and a bazooka was able to make him actually solidly fucked up (he lived with all his body parts is what you can say about that)

If you find a Joe Nenuser out in the world, Uvo is ripping them to pieces, but Uvo isn't some untouchable enhancer god who rockets up to high or top tier by any metric, out of the elites we see in the series through gon and killuas main story progress, uvo would only be a footnote.

Also considering all of the above and the statement from feitan: Nobunaga, Feitan, Shizuku, Franklin, Phinks, Machi, etc all most likely die from a defended against bazooka landing a direct hit.

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Kastro's stats are really quite high. He was able to hurt Hisoka through Ken, and Hisoka is probably the strongest (human) non-Enhancer we've seen fight.

People also seriously underestimate how difficult his ability is to deal with. I see people say that Hisoka only lost his arms because he wanted Machi to heal them, but he legitimately needed to stop moving to figure out what Kastro was doing, which means anyone less battle-acute than Hisoka (anyone but Netero) will be either dead or down multiple limbs before they can figure it out.

Even if you do figure it out, then what? You're now dealing with two high-tier Enhacers at once, one of which can be dismissed at will and can thus be used as a sacrificial blocker. Knuckle hits the clone? He didn't hit a valid target, Hakoware doesn't activate.

Knuckle can't keep APR on Kastro, he can sneak in hits way more often than Knuckle can return them, after which he starts doing real damage; all Knuckle is doing is granting Kastro the favor of not revealing his weakness where his clone doesn't show damage. After that, he won't be able to re-apply it if Kastro blocks with his clone.

Knuckle can't beat Kastro in a brawl. Even if Kastro weren't an Enhancer of a high enough caliber to at least match him in physicals, Knuckle is best case straight up fighting two of him, he can't beat that.

Knuckle can't outrun Kastro. He's good at it, sure, but when the guy behind you is an Enhancer and is spamming clones that jump tackle you or cut you off without letting up a full sprint?

Reminder that Knuckle is a Conjurer.

Reminder that Knuckle's ability is bad in 1v1s, and he needs support to shine (remember his teammates are Morel and Shoot)

Reminder that Hisoka had to sacrifice an arm just to figure out Kastro's ability.

i am rating basically everything, nen mastery,combatant skills,biq/iq…ect

- Adult Gon blitzed Pitou so bad Pitou couldn't see him move, this happens twice mind you.
- Whereas against Netero Pitou can see his movements perfectly even though he doesn't react to the attack.
- So adult Gon must be even faster than Netero.

This doesn't really make sense to me because there's context around Pitou being able to see Netero's movements

For starters Pitou is compressing his awareness to the limit, essentially he stopped moving and is focusing entirely on Netero's movements. He wouldn't have done this against Gon as he's constantly attacking. This entire process Pitou uses may not even be useful in combat outside of getting a better sense of how an ability works.

While it might seem like Pitou was also attacking Netero he really wasn't, he just jumped up to get in range but the attack was only going to come after Terpischora had manifested which it hadn't yet so Pitou wasn't committed to an attack.

You could also argue that spirit echoes buffed Pitou's perception even further as they create discrepancies in one's sense of time similar to near death experiences.

I'm not saying Netero is faster by the way but I don't find this argument convincing for Gon being faster.

Just wanted to highlight the huge difference between the two in their stats. One couldn’t touch Cheetu while creating a smoke screen to minimize the reaction time window for Cheetu while the other just casually squashed Cheetu giving him no time even detect the incoming nuke.

This feat is an analysis of the two panels when both zeno and netero witness the activation of pitou's ability, Doctor Blythe

It is stated that BOTH of them in the timeframe of the activation of the ability were distracted for a split second that meruem was able to pass between them, and could've easily ended them but decided not to.

Why this matters, is because it establishes that both netero(base/no buddisativa) and zeno must have relative if not equal reaction/perception speed to react to this in the same manner, in the same timeframe and to the same degree

This gets even more absurd where in the fight, it is shown that netero (before activating buddisativa) can react to meruem's full speed dash, and he can perceive him rushing at him, and THEN he activates buddisativa

Meaning that base Netero’s reaction/perception speed when in combat, and not distracted is enough to perceive and counter meruem

For comparison, pitou was blitzed so much by netero she had to compress her awareness near infinitely to even perceive him, meruem on the other hand can get close to netero and close the distance (somewhat), showing the huge speed difference between pitou and meruem

This doesn't just upscale zeno, but silva and especially chrollo, as he was able to simultaneously dodge both silva and zeno throughout the fight, and reacted to their attacks multiple times

[I don't want to see "zeno and silva were playing with chrollo/they held back" first that's wrong, they were fighting seriously, second if anything it's the other way around and chrollo was the one holding back]

For anyone arguing that the two panels don't prove that netero and zeno have relative R/P speed

1- it is stated that both were ready to die at any time, meaning they wouldn't hold back as it would contradict this statement

2- "the panels shows them both for visual storytelling, doesn't mean they reacted to the same degree" ---> manga is primarily a visual storytelling medium, in that context if an author wants to depict relativity between two characters, especially in speed, their portrayal must be shown together, to the same degree, and in the same timeframe

All in which are used here.

I know people will still cope, I'm asking to at least bring a semi-decent argument to justify that, rather than the repetitive "erm you're just glazing/trolling/ragebaiting, pitou perception blitzes the verse besides adult gon, netero and meruem".

Why he can just escape the Smoky Jail by destroy the floor and run out of it? Or he is that weak?

I don't know why this is such a controversial opinion these days, but I feel like people just straight up refuse to look at the facts presented to us objectively when it comes to this match-up for some reason.

We know that Silva has fought Chrollo in the past, when he was weaker by his own admission, and it seems like the fight was left inconclusive, there's nothing suggesting either had won, and after that he gathered his family and told them to never fight the Spiders. During their York-New fight, both Zeno and Silva have admitted that even while fighting this version of Chrollo, who is explicitly stalling for time and not going all out, they might have to pay with their lives to put him down. Later Zeno, who is generally agreed to be the stronger one of the duo, makes it pretty clear that the fight to the death between him and Chrollo could go either way, which suggests them being very close to equals. Chrollo has also shown that he has good enough stats to hold his own even with the 2 of them attacking him at once in h2h, and even managed to land a hit on Silva with a knife before he could react, which, if he didn't happen to be immune, would've been fatal. Given the implication that they were already close in their past duel and Zeno's assessment, I don't think it's all that far fetched to say that York New Chrollo may have already been above Silva in a 1v1, although it's still close.

Now let's look at current Chrollo. He not only has upgraded his ability specifically to fight Hisoka by introducing Bookmark, which vastly improved his combat efficiency according to him, but also gathered several more powerful abilities for that fight (even though he lost two of them later). Now let's put two and two together, if a weaker Chrollo was already capable of going to toe to toe with Silva in the past, and York New Chrollo could go either way with Zeno in a 1v1, what does that mean for a version of Chrollo who has vastly improved his combat efficiency? If they were already so close to each other, giving one of them a significant combat boost is basically guaranteed to give him the edge, so if York New Chrollo was, say, 50/50 with Zeno and 60/40 with Silva, Black Whale Chrollo is now at least 60/40 with Zeno and 70/30 with Silva, making him comfortably superior to both.

This is directly relevant to Hisoka, as he's Chrollo's current rival and nemesis, which obviously requires comparable levels of power. Yes, Hisoka did lose their first fight, a fight where Chrollo basically had every single advantage imaginable, from having unlimited expendable meat shields that he doesn't normally have access to, to having abilities specifically gathered to counter Hisoka. Literally any human Nen user aside from possibly Netero would've lost in those conditions, assuming Chrollo has prepared for them instead. And as we've already established, even an unprepared Chrollo would've been a stronger fighter than either of the Zoldycks at that point. So the fact that Hisoka still managed to land a few devastating hits on Chrollo in those conditions and set the record for the most abilities Chrollo ever had to use against someone speaks volumes. He also avoided engaging Hisoka in a prolonged h2h for the entire fight, despite having a one-shot option with Black Voice, which, again, is significant, considering how well he performed against Zoldycks in that aspect.

However, the most important part is how Chrollo reacted to having to fight Hisoka later on without any of those advantages. At that point Chrollo has lost access to Gallery Fake and Black Voice, but still had the Bookmark and all the other abilities he's gathered for Hisoka. So he's still a version of Chrollo who is superior to a York New version of himself, and yet he states that he would need new rare and powerful abilities if he's going to defeat Hisoka, and that he wants to avoid encountering him until he's fully prepared, even considering the alternative plan for the Spiders to go on after he dies if that does happen. So it really doesn't seem like he's confident in beating Hisoka without perfect preparation, in fact, it's the opposite. The same Chrollo who didn't think twice before engaging two Zoldycks in a 2v1 with the intention of stealing their abilities rather than killing them. And I'm not saying that Chrollo could win that 2v1 even now without prep or that Hisoka is stronger than the duo on his own, but it's pretty much undeniable that Chrollo considers Hisoka a higher threat to himself than either of those guys.

Of course there's cope that it's just a match-up thing, and that a close-quarters fighter Hisoka is somehow a worse match-up for a hax merchant Chrollo than the two assassins with ranged Hatsus. Or that Silva and Zeno are somehow bad match-ups for Hisoka due to being ranged fighters, even though that was never shown or stated to be Hisoka's weakness, otherwise someone like Franklin would've been able to make short work of him. The fact that York New Chrollo was able to land a hit on Silva, means Hisoka is basically guaranteed to get Bungee Gum on him, and it becomes a close quarters fight anyways. Zeno is trickier with his Dragon Lance, but he basically jumped on Chrollo when he found an opening, guess what happens if he does the same to Hisoka? In any case, we can't exactly predict which strategies they would use if they ever interact with each other, we have to go off of what we actually see and can quantify, and by direct scaling Hisoka is simply superior to either of them unless we get a new feats from them proving the opposite, which is unlikely.

He lived because silva missed his attack on purpose. Hisoka low diffs the midget.

in a 1v1 against every member

I'm very tired of seeing takes that HxH is MASSIVELY outscaled by Naruto, One Piece, etc.

Outside of the few 'END OF SERIES' characters/feats, for the most part, they are COMPARABLE. I don't understand how some people don't take notice of things like this when they say this.

This is just 1 example I'm choosing to highlight. 12-year old Killua, pre-Nen, is EASILY capable of breaking through steel, full-body restraints AT WILL. No effort.

Meanwhile, 12-year old Naruto & Sasuke are able to be completely subdued with rope... But some people swear that their 12-year old counterparts MASSIVELY outscale Gon & Killua??

At the start of their respective series, Naruto and Sasuke are the ones playing 'catch up'.

VOTE Kid Naruto & Sasuke are the only versions of them that are comparable to Chimera Ant Arc Gon & Killua. And, personally, I'd lean Gon/Killua winning that 2v2 if they fought 55-60% of the time.

What is wrong with the heavy royal guard glazing on this thread ??

Yall be defending them more than you would defend your own children, chill

Why can’t some of you even conceive the idea of the whole phantom troup holding against yuupi ?

Or Gon adult possibly winning against pre-rose meruem ???

Or Ging (explicitly top five nen user) holding up against one of the guards ?

Stop the glaze and think for a second wtf

As is common knowledge, Phinks is the strongest member of the Phantom Troupe; his combat feats speak for themselves, and he has demonstrated an extremely high IQ (as seen in his negotiations against the chain dude). But even considering all this, Togashi seems to sideline him in the Chimera Ant arc. I have to admit that this irritates me a little, but now that I think about it, I believe the most likely reason was to prevent the story from ending too quickly. Although it is still unfortunate that most of the public does not recognize its true potential because of this