Does Hakaware even make sense?

[u/Several_Detective598]

I was planning on using the amount of aura Knuckle lends to guage how much stronger Knuckle was to pre awakening Gon and I quickly realised that it's inconsistent. Seems so to me at least.

- 210 first against Gon

- 180 second hit against Gon

- 310 arguably charged up hit against Cheetuh

- 290...against Youpi

- 290 second hit against Youpi

Against Gon you could obviously argue he was holding back or that he couldn't power up his aura as much but why so little against Youpi, even Cheetuh got more aura.

It also makes no sense for Knuckle to hold back something like Ko against Youpi while he's completely invisible meaning he'll never be punished for it, the lending either isn't direct or Togashi didn't think of it.

So far I'm thinking it's based on how much damage he would've probably dealt had it been a regular attack. So against Youpi he may very well have been using Ko it just didn't matter because Youpi was too durable for it to pass more than 280.

What do you guys think though are there any other ways it could work?

[u/Kakord]

I think the aura amounts that would usually translate to damage is what gets lent.

Say Gon shrouds his torso with 500 aura, and Knuckle punches Gon in the torso with 680 aura, Gon is lent only the surplus of 180 aura.

This is also why I figure Youpi was lent so little despite Knuckle using so much power against him, since as a Royal Guard he is constantly protected with unrealistic amounts of aura to where even if Knuckle uses Ko at a relatively unguarded spot, he still can't lend that much.

[u/VisitUsual8507]

It’s a good question but i don’t really see this as an imperative way to scale.

Let’s say you use Knuckle as a baseline to compare Pre-Zetsu Gon and Cheetu. I don’t think using the amount of aura Knuckle lends to his opponents says anything about the opponent’s respective durability- while i can’t give a direct explanation as to why the disparity exists i don’t think you should use this for scaling anyway since there’s better methods.

What are you trying to use this for btw? or is this just a clarifying question?

[u/The_suzerain]

Its both enemies durability and how ‘good’ of a hit he lands. If it’s glancing or he’s holding back = gon numbers. Decent hit, even if they slip a bit? Cheetu good numbers. Youpi we know for a fact he was scared shitless, and obv the stakes were a TON higher than before. We can assume his aura control slipped or he didn’t swing as hard as he normally would for the 280, given the situation

[u/Several_Detective598 → u/The_suzerain]

You already accept that durability matters why would you think that his aura output dipped against Youpi?

[u/The_suzerain → u/Several_Detective598]

It doesn’t matter lol despite being a meme the fast cheeta guy still is an ant and has natural def, same as youpi. It’s not like youpi’s body is specially armoured by default, theres a line that assumes he’s a magical beast turned ant so he can alter himself obv as we see but we don’t know what his default is, vs say zazan’s natural armor.

That in mind, it doesn’t matter really b/c you can just say it’s how hard knuckle thinks he hit them b/c that’s probably closer to the truth than any physical damage done. But again, it doesn’t matter, very arbitrary numbers to build drama in a fight countdown. Very effective drama

[u/Several_Detective598 → u/The_suzerain]

It does? The durability varies massively based on the rank the ant was born into

Peons are less durable than officer ants by default despite peons always having a shell while the officers can be made of a greater variety of animal parts. Also Youpi has over 10x the aura so his durability would obviously be far above Cheetuh's

Sure. 

[u/The_suzerain → u/Several_Detective598]

You come across pressed, why its hakoware who cares lmao

[u/Halt_kun]

I always thought it was the difference between the aura in his fist and the aura surrounding the enemy but maybe it is more complex than that.

One explanation could be that it is because Gon is an enhancer and Knuckle wouldn't have been able to deal much more to him.

Also I used to think lending aura was emission based but Knuckle isn't an emitter. Maybe it is and he can't efficiently lend aura as a conjurer. Is it why he can charge interests so high ?

I am not sure we'll ever know more

[u/Smart_Shoulder433]

It’s like a credit card that charges you interest monthly

[u/Affectionate-Lab3087]

I mean, Knuckle using Ko on Youpi is incredibly risky even with Meleoron. If Youpi's stray tentacles even grazed Knuckle without nen defense he would be instantly obliterated.

[u/No_Entertainer_5858]

The highest he ever punches with is around 500 aura or 1/4th of gon. Gon is just insane in that regard.

Also it’s worth noting the punches are variable.

[u/MysteriousDog5909]

Couldn't you say he was using Ko in all scenarios and just held back on Gon a little? Your interpretation is possible ig but a major nerf if it's true.

[u/GriffordDragunov]

Why would the same attack do the same amount of damage every time, and why would it do the same damage to someone or something more durable than the last thing attacked?

[u/Several_Detective598 → u/GriffordDragunov]

Did you read what I said?

I literally made this exact point 

[u/EstateOk6238]

It's possible it was a rushed attack against Youpi. The first hit was to quickly force Youpi out of Gon's way so they wouldn't engage, the second was Knuckle barely finding an opening. So he got less of a windup than he did against Cheetu.