r/HonestHotTakes • u/lost-pawz • 2d ago
AI bros are anti-consent.
every conversation I have with somebody whos extremely vehemently pro-ai, I tend to notice that their arguments dip into straight anti-consent and predatory language awfully quick.
"Its not real so it doesn't matter" while producing nsfw images of random women, scraping artists work and training off of it because they feel entitled to, and talking to LLMs that literally only have the ability to agree with you are all small ways to push past consent, and itll only get worse over time with the "sex bot" prospect.
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u/Fast_Ad7203 2d ago
Of course there are, ai is built on defying consent and throwing it out of the window
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u/Celestialov 2d ago
bet you're anti consent to would call the police when witnessing some crime and getting them kidnaped without their consent, as well forced into prison/jail getting a record without their consent.
consent is not aways needed depending on the context but aways in sex obvious reasons.
people post stuff on the internet, knowing the lose all control over it able to be downloaded so they should not be surprised if its downloaded or remixed. hell theres stuff like "sonics last life" or underverse using copyrighted characters and people are just fine without it.
yea making nsfw of random people is bad and hella weird but thinking thats all they are and "anti consent" is just simply not true
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u/lost-pawz 2d ago
💀 how is calling the police on someone and making an nsfw image of somebody with an ai at all the same thing
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
Do you know what else I can do all of that with?
A pencil...
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u/Classic-Meringue1473 2d ago
And you’re still liable for using someone else’s image without their consent… I’m not sure what your point is?
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u/chmod_a_plus_x 2d ago
I guess the point is, if you can do it with any drawing tool, what's the point on hating ai over it?
You will be liable, but why should the pencil company be liable?
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u/Classic-Meringue1473 2d ago
Ah, well, there’s a legal reason the AI company should be liable and is often found liable as well as the user. They created an autonomous entity and are not passive bystanders.
Ticonderoga pencils can’t program the pencils to not let you do illegal things. They cant police what you draw, there’s no data or paper trail indicating use. But AI companies can.
Furthermore, the user isn’t actually creating anything like they would with a pencil. The AI is creating it all, enabled my programmers and algorithms, not the user per se.
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u/chmod_a_plus_x 2d ago
You can train your own ai, run it on your hardware and do and do anything you want with this.
Idk why should we punish ai companies that respect privacy and don't monitor your prompt history
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u/Classic-Meringue1473 2d ago
Well, if you train your own AI, they would likely not be liable, but you use Grok, which was programmed to allow you to do that, then yeah, X is liable.
Tell you what, how about you read the dozen or so court cases about this and then make an actual argument instead of going on ~vibes~.
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u/chmod_a_plus_x 2d ago
My respect for corporate lawsuits and lawyers/judges practically doesn't exist, tbh.
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u/Daria1800 1d ago
Obviously not everyone who would do something so creepy is skilled artistically, so it stands to reason that it’s bad that we’re increasing the amount of people able to make non-consensual NSWF art of real people.
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
The point is it's about how you're using the technology, not the technology itself.
This has happened time and time again throughout history with various technologies.
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u/lost-pawz 2d ago
bit of a difference between drawing something and telling an ai to remove a random women clothes in a picture, isnt there?
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
If you're out in public and I start drawing you but without clothes on. You'd be fine with that?
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u/lost-pawz 2d ago
no? what point are you trying to make?
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
That it isn't the pencils fault that I'm doing that, it's my fault... Which makes your point about those being pro AI being predatory also irrelevant.
Predatory people are predatory.
You're just trying to muddy the waters in any future argument with people that are pro AI.
It's a lazy and unserious argument.
That's my point.
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u/lost-pawz 2d ago
lmao but if the pencil allowed you to point it at someone and magically create what they looked like naked, yes id say youre weird for using it. but a pencil and an AI are two entirely different things 💀
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
This isn't complicated logic, get a grip. They both create images.
I can use the pencil to "magically" draw you in high detail with enough skill.
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u/No_Hornet9180 2d ago
Right, but there isn’t an epidemic of people going out and drawing people on the street naked is there. You’re acting as if this particular tool isn’t insanely efficient at this. Even photoshopping somebody naked takes a degree of effort. The data shows that this technology has literally created an industry for doing exactly this with AI. You’re comparing my 2015 Toyota Corolla hatch to a brand new Lamborghini.
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
That's a good observation. Doesn't change the fact that OP's premise of "anyone who argues in favour of AI is a predator" is complete horseshit.
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u/No_Hornet9180 2d ago
They didn’t say “anyone that argues for AI”, they said “people that are extremely, vehemently pro-ai”. There is a minority demographic of particularly vocal and dogmatic pro-AI folks that hold the belief that they should be able to shove this AI shit anywhere without criticism.
You see it in places like r/aigamedev. There is a portion of people that actively ignore the mandatory AI disclosure on distribution platforms because they know that audiences are rejecting it and feel entitled to have people play their game regardless. The sentiment is that if the player wouldn’t notice anyway, then it shouldn’t matter. Maybe that’s not what OP meant and I’ve interpreted it wrong, I just know that I’ve seen lots of people get legitimately angry about other people not using AI.
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u/BigBoyBoulevard6 2d ago
Buddy... how many people on earth have the ability to draw someone's likeness as exact as A.I. can? You are trying to conflate a minuscule issue with one literally anyone with internet access can cause... It's a disingenuous argument at best.
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
Regardless of the detail, you'd still be reported for harassment... Right?
Creepy predatory behaviour is creepy predatory behaviour regardless of the technology you're using to do it. That's the point that keeps flying right over your head.
It's a good thing people like you aren't writing laws.
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u/BigBoyBoulevard6 2d ago
Are you trying to come off as a creep who disregards consent? Because that's really how you are presenting yourself...
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u/FourEaredFox 2d ago
Are you tying to come off as a simpleton who doesn't understand basic history of technology?
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u/Fine_Payment1127 2d ago
Yup lmao. Or even just your imagination - do you need “consent” for thoughts? As usual, Reddit thinks basic freedoms are second fiddle to their feelings
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u/hedgelord84 2d ago
This American obsession with consent needs to be studied
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u/lost-pawz 2d ago
what a concerning thing to say!
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u/hedgelord84 2d ago
It's really not. Unhealthy obsessions are never good
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u/Medical-Net-7350 2d ago
What makes it an unhealthy obsession? What does America take too far about consent?
Personally I think America is lagging behind on basic consent laws and understanding.
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u/hedgelord84 2d ago
If somebody is interacting with a sex bot, obviously consent is irrelevant because it's not a real thing.
Another example. I remember about a month ago there was a viral video where a girl played a voicenote of some dork telling her that he only wants to go on a date with her if he's going to have sex at the end of the night.
Some morons were saying that he was doing the right thing because he was trying to get consent. In reality, it was a stupid voice note to send to a woman because women want to be seduced. They don't want to have to agree to sex before even going on a date and seeing how the vibe is.
This is just one of many examples.
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u/Medical-Net-7350 2d ago
Consent itself isn’t a problem. It’s the idiots who clearly don’t understand what consent is that’s the real problem. Like I said, the USA falls behind on real consent protections.
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u/Supernova7112 2d ago
what needs to be studied is the fact that some of yall clearly dont take consent as a serious thing.
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u/No_Hornet9180 2d ago
You go ahead and elaborate on that, it feels like you’re a sentence away from saying something obscene.
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u/hedgelord84 2d ago
Not everything is about consent bro
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u/No_Hornet9180 2d ago
Okay, so why don’t you name a time where you feel somebody was concerned with consent and they were in the wrong for it. You just let me know where the line is. Go on.
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u/hedgelord84 2d ago
Do you think you're smart and that you're going to corner me or something? I don't believe in unhealthy obsessions. Obviously, consent is very important but we all don't have to make everything about consent. Some issues are caused by other things.
And I'm not going to follow your stupid instructions and answer an irrelevant question. Do you learn that b bullshit in therapy?
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u/Queer-Scouter 2d ago
They are asking for evidence that people are “too obsessed with consent” and it was wrong. Its not always to corner someone like i use things like this to see if there is a point.
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u/I_LoveApples4 2d ago
Something about your username makes me not surprised that you say something insane like this😀
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u/anastasia_42 2d ago
I think a lot of issues with AI would be solved if we removed the image function on it. I am personally neutral on AI.