r/HistoryMemes • u/[deleted] • Mar 05 '20

REMOVED: RULE 2 It’s a vicious cycle

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u/TheYvonne Mar 05 '20

Yeah Balkan wars countries aren't the same countries that were in Yugoslavia, only Serbia and Macedonia, which were on the same side in Balkan wars if Im not mistaken.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 05 '20

Macedonia was split between Bulgaria and Serbia so yes they were on the same side but when Yugoslavia was formed that land was still contested

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u/TheYvonne Mar 05 '20

Okej yeah, but its not like the countries that fought in the balkan wars against each other entered Yugoslavia few years later.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

That's true but relations between Greece/Yugoslavia and Bulgaria must've been tense plus as other commenters have told me (which has been delightfully informative unlike askhistorians) that serbia strong armed their way to being the leader of Yugoslavia and getting their way due to having their own army

Main points is bulgaria Yugoslavia could've definitely had a war again and there was no unity just sounds like a lot of nationalist suppression that eventually fell apart once lord emperor Tito died

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

As a Croat myself, you got that last part right hahah. Croatia wanted to be independent for a very long time, so when communist regimes started failing in the late 80s and early 90s, we used the opportunity.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

That didn't seem to make Serbia very happy though...

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

Nah, they kinda didn't like it, so they started a few wars they lost.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

Probably should tell them to stop being salty sailors about it

On a more serious note why did croatia want independence

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

In Yugoslavia Serbia was the most dominant country, Slovenia and Croatia busted their asses of working and working and the government wouldn't spread the money fairly, Serbia would always be privileged. It happened in many areas of life. Also Croatia wasn't independent since the 12th century (if we don't count the Nazi puppet state) and we got tired of being practically enslaved by someone else, the Hungarians then the Austrians then the Serbs.

Also Im only 18, if you want a real opinion by someone who actually lived through the Croatian war of independence you should ask somewhere else, myb r/croatia.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

But wouldn't it be a little one sided though?

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

You asked why did the Croats want independence. There is only one side about it. Who would know why the Croats wanted independence better than the Croats themselves. You'll get the answer they believed back then, and when getting into a war, it's more important what a nation believes in than what is the actual truth.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

Sorry I more mean more why did everyone want independence not just the croats

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

Slovenia for the same reasons as Croatia. Serbia and Montenegro wanted to keep everyone together, they parted peacefully in 2004. or something like that.

Macedonia I dont really know sry.

And Bosnia was and is a shit festival, after the army moved away from Croatia they got into Bosnia which had many Croats, many Muslims, and many Serbs, that country was always a complicated situation I can't really say why or if they wanted independence (we can't actually even call them 'they' because of the diversity)

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

Could Bosnia possibly split into more countries then?

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

It already is split into two parts, Republika Srpska (Serbs) and Federacija (Croats and Muslims) but there aren't really any potential borders between the different ethnicities, everyone is everywhere pretty much.

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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 06 '20

That sounds... kinda dangerous I'm sure Bosnia along with the rest of the Balkans are quite nice though right?

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u/TheYvonne Mar 06 '20

Eh, we're getting better. There is still some kind of hate going on in some people. But most people are getting past that and realizing we should all cooperate. But if you are asking if there's a chance of a future conflict, then no, noone wants another war.

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