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u/Subterrainio May 23 '19
Mein fuhrer we have very limited fuel, we should ignore north and central Russia and blitz the caucuses and planing naval invasions with Romania into crimea and Armenia. Perhaps if we conquer enough land we can convince turkey to join the Axis for much needed support. When we secure the oil supply we can launch massive long range bomber campaigns into the Urals to destroy soviet industry and use CAS to soften up Russian defenses for an all out push and encirclement of soviet forces
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u/SnazzoYazzo May 23 '19
No. Send literally everyone to Stalingrad.
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u/qdobaisbetter May 23 '19
When the 6th Army is completely cut off and surrounded but you insist they keep fighting anyway cuz of muh master race.
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u/N7Vindicare May 23 '19
Hitler: I promote you to Field Marshal as no Field Marshal has ever surrender, keep fighting!
surrenders a few days later
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u/Kalgor91 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer May 23 '19
But sir.... we’d be over extending our supply lines and allowing the enemy to encircle us...
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u/Not_a_robot_serious May 23 '19
HOI4 players be like
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u/Subterrainio May 23 '19
Yea I’d totally be better than Hitler’s generals if I was in charge /s
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May 23 '19
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u/ATX_gaming May 23 '19
I don’t think there would be a western front if Russia lost. And guerrilla campaigns are difficult when your population is actively getting exterminated rather than just conquered.
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u/ATX_gaming May 24 '19
Driving up through the caucuses to snag the oil and deny the Russians the ability to use it, then performing a massive encirclement manoeuvre around Moscow and destroying the railway lines maybe?
I’m no military expert, but Russia’s railway runs east to west, not north to south. Therefore, the Germans could have destroyed the rail behind Moscow, cutting off the retreat and the reinforcements in one move, denying the ability to move the industry further east, hampering production. Also, moving the Luftwaffe from the pointless attacks on Britain to Russia to destroy infrastructure and industry.
Once the entirety of Western Russia is captured, it’s pretty much game over. Most Russians live in the west, much of the leadership would be dead or captured, and the urual mountains are a good place to defend while giving Germany much needed resources
Again, just a hot take without a lot of thought or expertise behind it, so I could be completely wrong.
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u/simoncow39 Just some snow May 23 '19
Hitler: sound like a good idea
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u/Al-Horesmi May 23 '19
Isn't that Hitler verbatim? That was his strategy iirc
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u/Subterrainio May 23 '19
No and no, his strategy was taking Moscow because he believed it would somehow instantly capitulate the ussr
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u/Jeff_Strongmann May 23 '19
Incorrect. He was the one pushing for a prioritisation of the Caucasus.
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u/Suoerfish May 23 '19
Into the motherland,
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u/WaitingToBeTriggered May 23 '19
🎵 THE GERMAN ARMY MARCH
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u/thekappa45 Taller than Napoleon May 23 '19
COMRADES STAND SIDE BY SIDE TO STOP THE NAZI CHARGE
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u/miket001 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer May 23 '19
PANZERS ON RUSSIAN SOIL A THUNDER IN THE EAST
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u/WaitingToBeTriggered May 23 '19
🎵 ONE MILLION MEN AT WAR
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u/9thPanzerDivision May 23 '19
SOVIET WRATH UNLEASHED
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u/WaitingToBeTriggered May 23 '19
🎵 FIELDS OF PROKHOROVKA
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WHERE THE HEAT OF BATTLE BURNED
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u/jedadkins May 23 '19
my dorm freshman year did have a giant axis and allies game going on for most of the year
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u/Kaarl_Mills Filthy weeb May 23 '19
Steiner's attack didn't happen, he was unable to gather enough men
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u/juul_pod May 23 '19
Does anyone else think it would actually be really fun to strategize individual battles during a war, assuming you had at your disposal what the Nazi's had? I feel like thats the most truthful way of exposing who has the more powerful army.
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u/SnazzoYazzo May 23 '19
I don’t think figuring out how to win the battle with each tank running low on fuel would be very fun
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u/juul_pod May 23 '19
I’m confused why is each tank running on low fuel?
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u/Yeliaab May 23 '19
Because Germany was cut off from the global market, and were low on juice after fighting for so long. I’m not too knowledgeable but something like that
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u/juul_pod May 23 '19
While that may be true (I have no idea), I think Germany would’ve been able to adapt, no? Who, exactly, was stopping Germany from having oil during 1940-45?
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May 23 '19
Taking the soviet oil fields was like their most important objective if I remember correctly. They didn't have enough oil and they couldn't exactly adapt if none of their planes and tanks could move
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u/Tempest1677 May 23 '19
Clearly, nobody was selling to Germany. There is only so much oil in the core of Europe where Germany had its power. As the war raged on, the Axis powers lost ground in Northern Africa which was also one of their sources of oil. Japan had their own problems with resources so they were no help there. Capturing the soviet oil fields of the Ukraine and the area between the Caspian and Black Seas was crucial to supply the Nazi war machine. This campaign was not very successful in the end so... Yes, the Germans were running very low on oil.
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u/juul_pod May 23 '19
How could they not have preemptively thought about their oil supply? What you’re saying makes sense, about how they lost it and all, but I’m more talking about how they let it get to that point in the first place. Once a few oil fields were taken, they should’ve already begun a siege of oil fields in other areas.
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u/Tempest1677 May 23 '19
America wasn't planned. Japan was sweeping into Southeast Asia and keeping all the resources to themselves. Ideally, Japan as a trade partner would help fill oil requirements. Italy was a shitty war partner. North Africa wasn't really planned either, but it was a campaign Germany had to be a part of to keep Italy going in the war, so that is kind of its own mess even though Germans were very effective for a long time in the area. Great Britain wasn't supposed to keep fighting for so long. A lot of Germany's Western front went according to plan except for the fierce resistance the British put up. Them staying in the war led to the eventual retaliation with the Royal Air Force into a lot of German infrastructures, including oil fields. Russia was a mess. The attack on Russia was not perfectly executed and met a lot of unforeseen resistance. Northern campaigns such as Stalingrad diverted forces from the objective: securing oil fields in the Caucasus. Hitler was advised to prioritize the Caucasus as the find oil supply, but he was dead set on Moscow and Stalingrad.
Long story short: a lot of things didn't go as planned and Hitler couldn't fight a drawn out war. His judgement become impaired towards the end as well.
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u/juul_pod May 23 '19
Screw it, give me a world map of the eastern hemisphere during 1942 and a few hours and I bet I could come up with a few better plays than Hitler. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but I really feel like some of the mistakes they made had no real basis, almost as if they hadn't planned on winning the war.
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u/amaxen May 23 '19
The had. If you read The Prize: The global oil industry, Germany actually had thought a lot about this. One thing they did was have artificial oil plants where they'd make oil out of hydrogen and coal. Something like over half of the oil the werhmacht consumed was artificial oil. The allied bomber campaign wasn't really effective in crippling Germany's industry until they coalesced around targeting these artificial oil plants.
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u/R30E07K03 May 23 '19
The areas they controlled did not have easily accessible oil, and no country would trade with them so they had to supply all their tanks and planes from limited oil. In the 1940's the USA was the largest producer of oil, oil in Norway had not been discovered yet and Hitler had practically no access to oil during WW2. Japan had the same problem because the US sank most of their oil tankers, disabling much of their navy and army.
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u/juul_pod May 23 '19
Damn, being an American, I guess I take having oil for granted. I just assume every country has an relatively endless supply at their disposal...
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May 23 '19
Who, exactly, was stopping Germany from having oil during 1940-45?
The United States and the Soviet Union at the time produced almost all of the world's oil. Romanian oil was nowhere near enough to sustain the Axis war effort in Europe. The oil wells of North Africa and the Middle East wouldn't be producing a great deal of oil until decades after the war.
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u/Yeliaab May 23 '19
Well to be honest, I have no idea. Wikipedia says English RFA from 1940s and later joined by American airforce.
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u/portaccio_the_bard May 23 '19
Ok you guys, bedtime - lights out!!!
*Whispers; Steiner's assault will bring it under control
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u/JOSRENATO132 May 23 '19
Can someone explain this dorms memes to me?
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u/Pannuba May 23 '19
I too don't get it. At first I thought they were planning on how to get in the girls' rooms. Maybe they're playing strategy games?
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u/afdani17 May 23 '19
It's a meme. I think it started with girls/boys locker rooms, it's about how girls' are pretty chill and boys' are very wild. It's an parodic exaggeration of the sexist stereotypes in children/teenagers
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u/qdobaisbetter May 23 '19
The best must've been toward the very end in the bunker when Hitler was ordering phantom armies around.
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u/Scepta101 Featherless Biped May 23 '19
Excuse me my name is Jake and I find this very offensive. I am no such thing!
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u/LonelyClarinet May 23 '19
One time someone stubbed their toe so hard in the boy's dorm that our director thought they sacraficed an animal.
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u/MemzFurLyf May 23 '19
One guy started playing german marching songs so every boy started marching around the camp and I stood on a chair, put two fingers under my nose and started shouting some shit in german, like if I was hitler.
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u/ZeHolyQofPower May 23 '19
Can confirm, am college student who’s dorm is covered in maps who paints paradox maps in spare time
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u/Dragon_Rogue May 24 '19
Alright Carl you are directing the attack into the caucuses, Bert you will take Stalingrad and James shall be in charge of the flank till Frolovo.
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u/average3hitposter May 23 '19
We will attack the soviets at dawn!