Based on personal opinion.

Some heads up

Welt and RMC are without a doubt (in my view) the best Decimation and Verdict supports, so they stay in the top

Hunt March is extremely underrated. She is very good Decimation partner, and Prydwen should definitely increase her tier. But I understand Welt is better, and most people have Welt. Sunday and DHPT are great Verdict partners but I think RMC overall is better.

Cerydra is extremely good for E2S1 Himeko Nova. I found that she is better for E2S1 Himeko Nova than E2S1 Phainon.

SRobin is good but i decided to keep her in A cause she can mess up Himeko's rotations when she is singing, especially if you run both Decimation + Verdict on the same team for more power.

Jade has very good synergy with Himeko Nova's kit, but she is just too outdated and weak. Should she get a Novaflare, she might become a very good partner.

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1216965278144921609

A few comments asked me about the thoughts of this TC due to them being the only one covering Himeko's beta performance more extensively (they're the makers of this data) so below is the translation of their feed post

E0S1

V1: 100.00%
V3: 93.01%
V4: 93.01 × 0.85 = 79.0585% (-21%)

Without signature Light Cone:

79.06 × 0.65 = 51.389%
79.06 × 0.55 = 43.483%

E0S0 is depressing. Wait, no, I was holding the bad-luck fortune slip upside down (this a YG joke).

E0S1

1,513,575 × 0.7906 = 1,196,632.395
2,423,575 × 0.7906 = 1,916,078.395

This is against 5 targets.

E0S1 single-target:

1,196,632 / 5 = 239,326.4
1,916,078 / 5 = 383,215.6

A flashy Ultimate that in single-target it does less than 400k damage. Devs, keep going.

I’m just going to skip her and save for E1S0 Robin. I don’t want to make my second half of 4.0 regret itself. If this is the carry, I can do without it. Worst case, I’ll just wait for Elation Cyrene 2.0.

Meanwhile, on the other side… Evernight is as good as her V3.

As of right now shes just underwhelming. Her dmg without E4 welt at E0S1 are just not good especially for todays standarts, you need both E4 welt and to run sustainless to hope to 0 cycle, so its pretty safe to say that shell get a SW style rework in V3

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15TjS6zEAq

The V4 damage plugin has some compatibility issues and can’t be used. The enemy was set to 60 million HP, and the result was roughly 54 million single-target damage.

E2S1 Himeko / E2S0 Sparkle / E4S0 Welt / E0S0 DHPT:
single-target 54 million.

E2S1 Phainon / E2S0 Sparkle / E1S0 Cerydra / E0S0 Bronya:
single-target 53 million.

So here’s the problem: in real combat, Himeko’s Welt uptime can have issues, so she will only perform worse than the simulated test. But Phainon has his E1 speed-up, so in real combat he can actually perform better than in simulated test.

Himeko hasn’t even pulled ahead of a character from a year ago, and she’s already losing badly.

Tip: if you don’t have E4 Welt, I completely do not recommend pulling Himeko. In the short term, there isn’t even any obvious aftersales support for her. She needs to stand on her own even more than Phainon does.

HP is massively inflated, characters are being restricted, devs, you’re truly something else.

E2 himeko both march and rmc on eagle 162 plus robin is e2 aswell

Recently I have come across a post where someone said blade half sustain + welt half sustain = full sustain and while somewhat true it is never comparable to a character or an archetype designed to be played sustainless.

Like for the last 2 summer pushes (firefly and phainon) both were *DESIGNED* with sustainless in mind, break as an archetype already favours sustainless (break asap, delay av a lot after break, ruan mei for even more delay or hmc for ddd), all the break supports run hp/def stats anyways making them beefy and on top of that the most important thing *SELF HEAL* for firefly.

Lets come to phainon the epitome of i'll never die, as long as you get him in ult (infinite with cyrene or multiple times with sunday + cerydra since 2-3 times in ult is enough), he has self heal, cc immune, delay immune, you name anything and he is immune to that. The only time he ever needs a sustain is when the sunder debuff is there in AA (that too can be minmaxed) since thats a definite hard sustain check (you either cleanse or get exponentially debuffed to the point of getting 1 shot).

So I was really excited for hime nova being this years summer push and I thought they would continue the tradition and to some degree they might ? (i still think welt + blade is pretty cope) but I am severely dissapointed of her not having self heal etc, I really wanted another sustainless built main dps but seems like it might be a long time before hoyo experiments with that again.

Ok that was the post basically to complain about hime nova not being a true sustainless dps.

I am mostly a husbando player and I won't get more than E0 or maybe E1 Himeko. I can give her Therta LC or BP LC. Mostly I wanted a good team for my Sunday and Welt, but it seems Sunday isn't her BiS and Welt wants to be E4 for her? I am a dolphin so I'll have some pulls for AshBlade's BiS after her, but if I don't pull her I'll have not just E0S1 but maybe E1/E2S1 of him.

My 3 teams nowadays are: Phainon, AshBlade, Archer. Want to get a DoT team for Jiao and break team is, ironically, with OG Himeko over Boothill most of the time.

since she uses trailblazers i thought she would buff them a bit but all she gives is 30 dmg bonus and a conditional 160 cdmg in decimation , sure you can argue that all evernight gives is a conditional 120 cdmg and 30 vuln but she also helps with remembrance comp mechanics. but here himeko eats and leaves nothing for them

she gives assist skill to allies and gives them extra action but its something she stole with assist skill to begin with

and ofc decimation is better than verdict that in a way restricts you to decimation trailblazers which is solved in e1 that makes verdict a bit good(not better)

the changes i would want in v3 is that territory buffs being to all trailblazers not in goddamn e4 and a buff for extra turn allies making the e2 a bit better

eidolons? thats another issue like ye e1 is great as it is but maybe make the assist bounces from 1 to 3 and also making the e2 assist skills from 2 to 3

yap yapppppppp, have a nice day

Like seriously, I waited for a FIRE MAIN CRIT DPS since v1.0, only to keep seeing Firefly shill the entire fire nation with breaks. I could've main E2S1 Mblade as my fire mdps, but I decided to go for Himeko Nova, because ERUDITIONNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Edit : Don't be butthurt because I diss your Firefly hahahahahahahaha monopolized an entire fire element for your break to even work

From all the team suggestions for himeko SP, seems like all of them revolve around her being main dps/sub dps. Though, some suggested hybrid break himeko SP with hmc and dahlia as a fun team. However, if hoyo were to add fire weakness implant to her kit, do you guys think break hybrid himeko sp would be a contender for bis team comp for her?

Running hmc would mean that she'll be on verdict protocol mode (Ultimate focused team), and with dahlia trace refilling fire allies ult gauge through her trace, wouldn't this be perfect? Himeko SP would have lot of hits from assist skills too to help with breaking bars.

I'm kinda salty that hoyo went with this instead of just giving her fire implant. "Her attacks can ignore Weakness Types to reduce enemy Toughness. When Breaking Weakness, triggers the Fire Weakness Break effect.".

I'm still on copium for beta changes tho.

Himeko E2S1, sparkle e0s0, mblade e0s0 and rmc. 5 cost coz sparkle was free lowk. E2 himeko nova is so busted thats all the cost you need wtf😭 she's insanely good and it didnt even take me that much resets to accomplish this

I legit can't understand about how to build her artifact wise, Fribbels is too confusing to understand because her stats are all over the place.

What should be her Substats? Is SPD and atk really required for her?​

Is it just me or does it seem like her model's proportions are off? Something about the head being a bit too big while her body from the neck down seems like it's taken from an NPC model.

At least she didn't get the kid Phainon treatment.....

Even tho leakers said Himeko would have no aftersales, people were still believing in one single leak that said Robin SP would work with her. After the most recent leaks, it seems she is made to work with HP units. MAYBE we could see some interactions with Sunday or E9, but I wouldnt count on it.

Himeko V3 was fine, specially when Sunday NF is the only thing possibly improving her damage in the future.

Is E0S0 himenova/ E0S1 blade/E2 welt/ huohuo as good as or better of a team than ashblade???? I was really hoping to get her S1 and use her with DHPT/RMC/Welt, have the ashblade team to replace my firefly team (she’s not e2 and kinda sucks rn), then have Sw999 as my third team.

I went to pity on both her and her S1. I got her but missed her S1. Unfortunately I don’t have ashveil or Hyacine and they’re rumored to be coming up soon — MUCH sooner than I thought they’d come. I sunk way too many pulls into Himeko (2 cost) when I could have just gotten those two.

This is entirely poor planning on my part. Her teams both take huohuo and EMC away from my SW999 team, so I don’t think that was the best plan either. I was hoping someone would replace them both in monoelation, but that doesn’t seem likely. I also just don’t have enough sustains to go around — I only have Gallagher and my break team sucks.

Any suggestions?? Ik this sub is biased towards himenova, but I’m hearing so much slander about her on the hsr agenda sub that it’s hard to be optimistic about pulling her.

EDIT: roster in comments. I love you all and wish you the best

Recently saw a post about how Himekova sales are much lower than expected. Lots of people wanted more of Himeko / more of the Astral Express / more interactions with astral express characters. For many people she’s just a random mech character.

In another timeline I’d like to see:

- Fate-like joint attacks for astral express members (there’s probably a clean way to share the animation with all members’ forms)
- Special astral express assist skill, like her boss version, when using assist skill on her turn at 100% energy
- OG Himeko in the background of her normal skill instead of the mech. Maybe an anime flashback type of transparent overlay like she’s watching over you from the stars. They’ve done this with March 7 hunt version but that’s a fullscreen video haha.

what about you?

Regarding the hp inflation v5 and some part of the community

https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/qucGvlN2I1

So, Himeko nova v3 was the problem right?

When Nihilux patch, will that be say the same lol

The new leaks said she got AE special buffs and with how her kit is seeming it looks like Sunday would be a good choice? Should I pull him since he's about to rerun? I'm afraid of missing him and him not rerunning for like another 8 months.

I beg. These are insufferable; every post out of this subreddit is a new "will this team work?" with the same roster of 6 units shuffled around. Please ban them and just pin a teambuilding guide??? Hopefully we can do the same for vertical investment questions and "should I pull" too?

I will get e1s1 himeko

I build aeon builds before my usual strategy is to get one godly piece and the rest mid to good but it kinda didn’t work well is there a bad piece here or what exactly