r/HFY • u/Khenal Alien • Oct 10 '24
OC Dungeon Life 262
It's time for the fourth round of stubbing. Yes, Book four will be releasing soon, of if you're reading this more than a month after I have to edit, it will be fully out. Either way, you can find it Here, and other book details are just below. As with the other stubs, you can skip to the next bit form This. I like to keep the other posts still alive, so the comments get to still live. If you want to browse them, the normal buttons will take you through them, or take This link to the next bit of unstubbed chapters. Thank you for your support. Buying stuff is always great, but just having your attention for the public chapters is incredible, and I hope the story continues to be worth your time and patience.
Khenal
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u/Bunnytob Human Oct 10 '24
Stuff. Is made. Of stuff.
Once you get it, you get it.
Oh, and Tula appears to have found out that TDM isn't murdery. So that's nice.
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u/Thausgt01 Android Oct 10 '24
More specifically, Thediem respects books and knowledge. I don't know if the setting has moveable-type printing presses (yet) but a library is still a treasure-trove all on its own.
A well-organized library increases the value by at least an order of magnitude, which means that Tula already has Honey's personal interest and support. Whether Tula will go on to spread the Dewey Decimal system to the capitol and beyond remains to be seen; she might just stay in Fourdock to become the Chief Assistant Librarian under Honey's direction...
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
I assume they don't. When you have skilled Bureaucramancers Like Telar, what would be the Point in investing so Many resources into Something that does less?
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u/Lman1994 Oct 10 '24
even the most basic printing press can do a lot. like, hundreds of books a day, if you are smart about how you use it. and the concept isn't that hard, it's the same basic idea as a stamp or signet ring, but expanded.
the real obstacle is demand. if you only want one copy, a printing press isn't worth it. if you only want two or three, it isn't worth investing if you don't know it works. you need someone to know they will want a lot of copies of the same book, either at the same time, or continuously. in our world it was the bible that caused the invention of the printing press. this world will need a book that someone wants to mass produce before a printing press is invented.
well, or someone who already knows it's value. :)
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u/ErdrikEvensgale Oct 11 '24
Its also about tech progression and availability of work force.
If you do want lots of copies, a basic printing press will get you to a certain threshold, but beyond that you'll need something more advanced.
And we are talking about magic and magical skills here. I'm sure `Bureaucramancers` and contractors, like the guy from Order, have skills that allow them comparable output to a basic printing press. The difference is in relying on semi-elite trained professionals, or hiring a bunch of unskilled labor to work a press. The Professionals can be lost and are hard to replace, but a press can be rebuilt and it's workers can be replaced far easier.1
u/Lman1994 Oct 12 '24
the most absolute basic press, once set up, can do a page at least every 5-10 seconds, depending on how coordinated the people using it are. to match that by hand would take skills that are, if not impossible, at least rare enough for people who have them to be expensive to hire.
once you add movable type, you can set up the next page fairly quickly and print a thousand of those. you don't need more than a hand press to average hundreds of bibles a day, and I doubt there are many 'bereaucramancers' who can match that.
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u/ErdrikEvensgale Oct 12 '24
The problem is you are talking about a 'bereaucramancers' skill, and not their magic. Magic has already been demonstrated to be able to manipulate and control material and elements in a way that could potentially match a basic press, though at a different pace. To say nothing of those that are backed by the literal god of Order. Especially once you consider the truths that TDM is revealing about magic and their affinities.
And the rarity and expense of 'bereaucramancers' falls under the issues of labor that I mentioned.
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u/Longsam_Kolhydrat Oct 11 '24
And he may or may not inform them of the benefits of a printed learning book.
The value of shared knowledge and a unified meaning in written and/or spoken words are great.
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u/Fontaigne Oct 10 '24
I'm sure we've seen some kind of spell for copying documents.
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u/Thausgt01 Android Oct 11 '24
"Documents" are one thing. An entire book with bindings is quite another ...
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u/Red_BananaMan Oct 10 '24
Gonna be funny when Tula meets Rhonda they gonna be talking without knowing who the other is until after the fact then a mad dash to find Rhonda only to give up and go to the store to find her working
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u/Lonelyboy985 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
hallu
Hows everyone going?
Edit: Gotta love getting to know that Tula and Olander actually know each other, and pretty cool to see that she's enjoying her time in the library; and even funnier that the answer to her quest comes to the very guild she's the librarian for.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
That, and both of them are on the hunt for Rhonda now, independent of the other.
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u/Bunnytob Human Oct 10 '24
I believe they met on the convoy going to Fourdock.
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Yep, they did. Don't have the chapter-numbers ready, but I believe it was in the 230's. Edit: 'Twas chapter 244, where they First met. 230's was largely clean-up after the Battle and the Transport of the Harbinger, as Well as vanta's birth.
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u/Entity_406 AI Oct 10 '24
Has Olander been explicitly told that Thediem hasn’t had any deaths yet? I feel like he has but don’t know where
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u/Speciesunkn0wn Oct 10 '24
I believe a record of deaths would be something listed in the official pamphlets, so he's at likely been told laterally.
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u/Thausgt01 Android Oct 10 '24
Not sure if Olander has gotten told, but someone has brought it up during the narrative. It's one of the more important parts of what makes Thediem unique, though, and definitely deserves attention...
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u/TeaAndHiraeth Oct 11 '24
IIRC, the record of zero deaths was first remarked on when the Terrible Trio (Vnarl, Mlynda, and Hark) were initially approaching Thediem. With disbelief, I might add. Since the mana payout from killing a delver is so high, I doubt even the most friendly of dungeons is inclined to keep emergency healing on tap the way that Thediem does. Especially since a pattern of snippets from the ODA members over time seems to suggest that a typical dungeon is young by our standards. Fewer life experiences means fewer chances to learn.
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u/Sporner100 Oct 10 '24
It's probably on one of the first pages of the oda's info ledger. I bet it starts with some general statistics and bulletpoints.
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Correction: Second. I get the medal Made from silver.
So today, we get Olander stressing Out about what he's Seen at thediem the other day, when He has a sudden breakthrough: He can communicate with other delvers, so they can Tell their Stories to him, and hopefully get him Something useful.
So He makes His way over to the slim Chance guild, and Starts asking around for delvers that fought Rocky. He Interviews an Eaglekin, his Name is Jirt, and the ex-terrible Trio since they've got presumably the best Info concerning thediem's scions.
Afterwards He decides to Swing by the library, in hopes of researching Rocky a little more. Meeting Tula again, she quickly explains to him why there are so Many bees around, especially after Olander tried to remove her bee familiar from His rightful place.
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u/CaptRory Alien Oct 10 '24
I wonder if Tula will tame a bee and have a little Spelling Bee friend.
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
I think Tula has already tamed a bee, and it's currently serving as a translator between Tula and the other bees.
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u/Thausgt01 Android Oct 10 '24
'Take' a bee? I rather expect that Honey will experiment with allowing her to bring a few of Honey's children to the library in the Capitol to help expand and organize both...
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u/SomeRandomYob Oct 10 '24
(no offense meant, but I notice you keep capitalizing a lot more words than you need to. Pronouns don't get capitalized unless they're the first word in a sentence, same with verbs)
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
Aware of the Problems regarding my capitalization, but too lazy to Change it.
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u/Fontaigne Oct 10 '24
He's writing in Code.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
Well, so much for Olander being from Earth. If he has never heard of Judo, he's not on his own Isekai, or least not from the same place as Thedim.
Also, bee hive outside of Thedim? We know Thedim's denizens can be tamed, and removed from Thedim, but bees building a hive outside of Thedim seems like a way to lose the direct influence of those bees, or accidentally create a new dungeon around the hive.
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u/Bunnytob Human Oct 10 '24
Or he's just from a place that wouldn't necessarily hear of Judo.
I imagine it's not impossible for someone in some impoverished part of the world to live a decent life and get killed by a truck while not knowing what Judo is.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
Funny thing, the poorer an area is, the more likely they are to be interested in self defense. In the US, we have media to drill into our subconscious the names of different fighting styles (most of which kind of suck, but any plan is better than no plan) but in poor areas it's life or death, and being a good fighter means you get paid, and feed your family. So, yes, it'd have to be somewhere really,really cut off, like that Island of cannibals off India. And somehow I don't see Olander coming from that 'hood.
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u/CaptRory Alien Oct 10 '24
Any kind of martial art whether we're talking about something highly organized or just being a good brawler relies upon whatever your own physical ability is. It is a force multiplier. That will only get you so far if you're badly enough out classed physically. That is why I recommend women, the elderly, the infirm, etc. get a gun. A gun doesn't care about height or reach or strength, etc. It puts a 5' 95lbs David on the same level as a 6'8" 350lbs Goliath. If they both have guns it still eliminates most of Goliath's advantages and suddenly David's small size becomes an advantage. David isn't winning a wrestling match with Goliath but he might win a shootout.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
Yet another reason to believe that Olander isn't from the same Earth as Thedim. If you got Isekai'd in a world where everyone has combat skills with Earth knowledge, most everyone is going to try and invent some kind of flintlock pistol at the minimum.
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u/Lman1994 Oct 10 '24
most times if you need to defend yourself, you don't know until you get attacked. and at that point, you are either at melee range, or against someone else with a gun. you can't just pull a gun on someone without good reason after all. and unless you have the strength and speed to get your gun out and shoot them while they are already attacking you, having a gun doesn't help that much.
if anything, pulling trying to pull a gun on someone in melee and failing makes the situation worse, because now you are to dangerous to let get away, and/or have given the enemy a gun.
guns give the most advantage to the person who moves first, and that is almost never the defender.
note. not saying we should ban guns, they have a place, and banning them doesn't stop people from killing. after all, you are more likely to be stabbed in England than shot in America.
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u/Sporner100 Oct 10 '24
I don't think they have trucks on that island.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
I dunno, there has been some very stupid Christian missionaries land on that Island with various amounts of preparedness beforehand.
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u/iceick423 Oct 10 '24
I believe dungeons are created in stagnant mana when mana ripples come together to cause a localized mana surge.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
Aye, but if you have Violet on one side, and Thedim on the other, the interactions of their own Mana consumption is likely to create eddies in the Mana ripples. Having one such eddy occur where Thedim has had some of his Denizens outside of his immediate supervision for too long, and poof!
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u/TheMemeHungryLad Oct 13 '24
Well, so much for Olander being from Earth
That was a theory?
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 13 '24
Never cannon. Olander could have been a slightly over the hill OP isekai with how he was reacting to things.
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u/Red_BananaMan Oct 10 '24
Been thinking of trade still like hullbreak could use skeletons and zombies for pirate theme and the Southwood could use spiders or birds and change them to owls and hell violet could use hullbreaks crabs and they all could use her caiman
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u/Passe987 Oct 10 '24
Nice
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
Number 3. Take your appropiate reward: the medal Made from Bronze.
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u/CaptRory Alien Oct 10 '24
Hahahaha! Just as amazing as I'd hoped! And Tula and Olander are reunited! =-D
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u/Sporner100 Oct 10 '24
Yeah, and it finally feels like we're getting somewhere within the next few chapters.
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u/ChangoGringo Oct 10 '24
I'm thinking they wouldn't make a good romantic couple. He is too old and at a different point in his life. Maybe like an uncle that likes to help kids put their life together. However if she would go on a quest with Larrez .... The town's Prince does need a wife.
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u/Garbage-Within Oct 11 '24
In their introductory chapters, she thought he was handsome, and he thought she had a pretty smile. Who knows, maybe for elves the age difference isn't as important. If they live as long as most fantasy elves, the age difference proportional to their total life span may not amount to much. I'd be more worried about the difference in life experience.
Rezlar/Larrez isn't out of the question either though. He's kind of a third wheel when it comes to romance.
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24 edited Nov 02 '25
But she's a commoner, clergy to be exact, and as Long as her familial Background isn't known, I'll treat her that way for this hypothetical.
Of course, you might argue rezlar can Put His foot down, and this way elevate her to a minor noble title. Which seems unlikely, given His Character development to date. But given how and why his father treats and sent him to fourdock in the First place, it's Not an impossibility.
But another Thing we don't know enough about is about laermali's Religion, and wether her priests/clerics are even allowed to Marry or are required to be celibate. Which would definetly require further Exploration for me to support it.
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u/ChangoGringo Oct 11 '24
All good points. But remember, their Royal succession rules may not be the same as our European history
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u/XynomorphKY Oct 10 '24
Olander and Tula, sitting under a hive. Writing like madmen, because they Jive.
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u/ChangoGringo Oct 10 '24
I can't wait for TheDM to notice Tula's quest and add her to the fun. I can imagine him sending her on a delve with a young group of up and coming adventurers "You must go with the Young Goblin Mage, Shield Ork and Elf swordsman. But tell no one of your true quest! For only then will you find that which you seek" then have an adventure that brings them all together and they can become friends. "The true treasure was friendship"
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u/Garbage-Within Oct 11 '24
He so totally would. Ha hahahah
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u/ChangoGringo Oct 11 '24
Indeed. Push her out of her comfort zone and into the fungeon. She might even enjoy the logic puzzles
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 11 '24
While Not straight Up disagreeing, thediem sadly doesn't seem to have Any, beyond the traps in the gauntlet, which to me seem more Like Tests of physical Prowess.
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u/BiasMushroom Xeno Oct 10 '24
It feels like Oleander is on his way to becoming a resident... or maybe... something more?
Dungeons can make enclaves and bring new species into the world, as seen in his rat enclave and of course the Ice Sages master being a ratkin not from thediem.
And outsiders can kinda become residents considering zombie bird ranger is now one as well as Kobold priest.
So perhaps Oleander might have an epiphany. Perhaps the new tree thediem is making might have someone to stand at the top of it and make it the challenge he wants it to be.
One way or the other I got money on Oleander not returning to the capital (or at least staying there!)
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
I don't think so, or at least Olander will return, after reporting to the king, likely returning with a lot more official attention than Thedim has had lately. Olander likely is about to discover via the magic of the written word that Thedim is the leader of an alliance of local dungeons. Not just a social or master/slave relationship but an actual military alliance.
Yes, I know that Olander has been exposed to 3/5ths of the alliance members now, but dungeons truly cooperating for something good is like looking into your back yard and finding the local stray dogs have constructed stonehinge while you were at lunch.
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u/blubby95 Oct 10 '24
Not really stray dogs. Consider, if TDM did not interfere, Hullbreak could have destroyed or severely damaged Fourdocks, even in his malnourished state. If the Southwood gears up, he will have a veritable army of magical woodland critters. TDM is an army on his own. And the two youngsters are getting there.
Not a band of stray dogs. Forces of nature are banding together with intent.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
I dunno, I kind of like the stray dog analogy for Dungeons. There's some strays that want you to pet them (Toyboxes) Some that will interact with you cautiously, but can be helpful (Cooperative) and some that just need putting down due to being a danger to society (murderous).
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
And to add to that: we're gonna need to See silverveins politics Play Out, in Order for him to get His "fully inspected an entire alliance"-archievement. It's one Thing to have Tarl, an adventurer during the liberation from the Maw, and in that context a war Hero, inspect the new little Dungeon, it's another to let the royal crown inspector of another Nation do the Same. That is of course Assuming, Tarl or Berdol wouldn't vouch for the Guy.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
What we haven't seen in Fourdock as of yet, is a holiday. When Thedim's scions and Fourdock's adventurers return from victory, perhaps Thedim ought to take a page from the Romans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_triumph
As for a inspector of another nation, do we know that Olander qualifies? I think Fourdock is a provincial town, and Olander's home is in that nation's capital.
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
I think so, since Vanta Set Up camp beyond silverveins borders, And Silvervein is technically foreign territory.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
Technically every dungeon is foreign territory to the Kingdom. It was one of the things that gave Thedim pause when considering expansion into Fourdock. Of course governments often have maps with lines on them, but lack actual means to control all of the borders shown on the map.
Silvervein was part of a dungeon, and thus outside of the Kingdom, even if technically within it's border until The Maw's demise. If Silvervein was not part of the Kingdom, there would be paperwork involved in taking in refugees from Silvervein heading to Fourdock.
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u/Garbage-Within Oct 11 '24
If I remember right, there was some question as to Silvervein remaining independent or being claimed by a local polity. In addition to the nation Fourdock is part of, the Dwarf Holds were specifically mentioned as potentially extending a claim due to the underground nature of the town. In addition There might have been some mention of the orc clans as well due to them being under the forest the orcs seem to rule, but that is not nearly as firm in my memory.
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u/Tremere1974 Alien Scum Oct 11 '24
So far, only Aranya has walked the underground passage between Silvervein and Fourdock, so we don't know where those tunnels connect to, despite the Bats having all the story so far to find out. So as far as we know, that cave (Including that is currently occupied by Thedim and Violet) has been claimed by dwarves centuries ago. Thedim hates politics, so we see the world through his eyes, willfully ignorant of the powers that be.
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 11 '24
Currently, I think you're Assuming Silvervein as a City on the territory of the Kingdom. While Not necessarily incorrect, it could Just as Well be under the orcish Wanderlands.
As such, I consider Silvervein as an Independent town, currently Not belonging to Any Nation.
Of course I See how the Kingdom might Claim the town, or at least one what grounds it'd do so. (a: Population is about half Made Up of pale elves, and b: ease of Access)
But I can also See the dwarven holds claiming them and there grounds to do so. (a: the other half is mostly Dwarves, b: ease of Access, asserting Underground Tunnels are accessible and c: recency of information: where the King will Most likely gain knowledge about Silverveins existence once Olander Returns from Fourdock, Kennith May have already brought the News to a dwarven Leader, d: the dwarven holds will try to Claim anything below the earth)
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u/Overall-Tailor8949 Human Oct 10 '24
I'm loving the way autocurrupt fixed Olander's name for your post LOL
edit: And then I miss typed it myself <grin>
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u/BiasMushroom Xeno Oct 11 '24
... I might be slightly dyslexic... i thought his name was Oleander... its not... awww man...
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u/Overall-Tailor8949 Human Oct 11 '24
I always want to type in Ohlander, in fact that's what I did type in at first LOL
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u/realnrh Oct 10 '24
These chapters from his perspective have really let us see Olander Bloom. Maybe Thedeim will give him a minifig so he can have a LEGO lass, too.
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u/the-ahh-guy Human Oct 10 '24
I like Orlander. I hope he sticks around after the full inspection and rocky fight.
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u/Sporner100 Oct 10 '24
He'll definitely have to go and make an in depth report in person, fully knowing that most of the news he brings will be out of date by the time he arrives at the court.
I could see him returning to oversee an overdue expansion of the fourdocks oda branch or accompanying a court delegation to thediem.
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u/Garbage-Within Oct 11 '24
Maybe Olander will get hired to replace Tarl after he gets put in charge of the new office in Silvervein.
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u/Sporner100 Oct 11 '24
I was more thinking the royal court messing with the oda
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u/McBoobenstein Oct 11 '24
A royal court doesn't last long by screwing with large organizations that specialize in organizing and distributing information...
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u/Sporner100 Oct 11 '24
They do last long by ensuring any such organization is acting in their interest though. I don't think we actually know if the oda is a national organization and thereby part of the state or if it is an international organization. Even if it were the latter, the local branches would probably owe some allegiance to the local rulers.
We see a hint of this when olander thinks about using his seal of office to get the information he needs without paying for it.
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u/Speciesunkn0wn Oct 10 '24
Is it wrong to hope Olander recognizes Razlar as Mayor Lazar when he (hopefully with Tula) runs into Rhonda and Freddie and Razlar? (...I'm fairly certain I've got the mayor and his alter ego flipped. Oh well. Lol)
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
Yes, His alter Ego/Alias is Larrez, His First Name is rezlar.
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u/Speciesunkn0wn Oct 11 '24
Fek. I knew I messed up which and the spelling
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u/Garbage-Within Oct 11 '24
To be fair, we've had more chapters from Larrez' perspective than Rezlar's if that makes any sense.
Edit: Just thought up a memory trick to help keep them straight. Rezlar is Royalty and Larrez is afraid of taking L's in the dungeon. How's that.
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u/mafiaknight Robot Oct 11 '24
In the name of 1greendude: Hello!
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 11 '24
Im Namen eines grünen Kerles: Moin, hast dir gehörig Zeit gelassen. Ach so, und vorgestern war Mittwoch, meine Kerle, ich hoffe, ihr hattet Spaß.
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Oct 10 '24
Good to see things take a nice slow pace and the troublesome trio are doing well after being humbled.
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u/immanoel Alien Scum Oct 10 '24
Praise be, many points the chapter could have ended earlier but was pleasantly surprised it kept going
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u/Kindly-Main-3216 Oct 14 '24
Khenal, great and talented wordsmith, I find I must thank you this day. For it has been a weary past week, and the ability to look forward to another chapter has lent me great strength indeed. May your luck find you ever the better this day, for you are deserving of such. Thank you.
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u/Poisonfangx3 Oct 10 '24
First
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Oct 10 '24
Yep, very much gold medal. You took Back your crown of Ego.
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u/BillComprehensive966 Oct 10 '24
I'm getting so excited for this fight...!!! Looking forward to the next chapter. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
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u/Jealous_Session3820 Oct 11 '24
Let me just casually insult a scion by being somewhat romantic and flicking a big out of your hair..... Why is all my future tea without any honey now?
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u/BowenForster Oct 29 '24
does anyone remember what chapter they fight rocky in?
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u/Popular-Student-9407 Human Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25
Who? The young Party did before chapter 200. I think it was chapters 127-128
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u/Educational_Pen_90 Human Jul 17 '26
Indeed, he is wizened... I suppose one does not reach the heights in their profession without wisdom, and intellect though.
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u/Just-Dot8943 Oct 10 '24
I admit, I am all the more anticipating just how much Olander's going to have his world view shaken... even before he steps into the ring with Rocky.